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Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« on: August 28, 2022, 03:07:06 PM »
Cloud storage options - I am embarking on a project to organize my files. They currently reside on many external/bare drives, duplicate copies, etc., but I never know where a particular show is. Rather than have this stuff on external drives, it makes sense for me to organize them to the cloud. I've heard that Google has an unlimited option that can be shared with 5 others, but I can never seem to find that option - all I ever find is 2 TB option. I think the other option is hightail which is very clear on how to get the unlimited option for $12 month (billed annually.) I know a bunch of folks use both, but looking to understand the Google option that folks are using.

I also checked out Backblaze but that seems to be more of a backup option. Backup of the files is one feature, but sharing is another and they cap daily transfer at 1 GB and that is about 1 download of a 24 bit show.

Google One - not sure they still have the unlimited option, shared or otherwise (unless it is an Enterprise account which is going to be spendy)
Hightail - $12/mo. (billed annually), unlimited storage, 25 GB individual file size limit (might impact some, but not me)
Backblaze Personal - $7/mo. unlimited storage but file sharing is capped pretty low.

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 03:47:55 PM »
This doesn't really answer your question, but it is related.

After struggling with Backblaze for the last few years, I went with a Synology NAS (network attached storage).  It has four 16TB hard drives in it and can safely backup 41TBs and still survive with all data intact, even if one of the hard drives crashes.  The problem with Backblaze is that the drives you've backed up have to be connected to the computer.  I had ten or so drives connected and it was getting kind of hard to manage.

I still separately backup everything to an HD, but now I don't worry about always having to keep the backup HDs connected to my computer like I did with Backblaze.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2022, 03:57:46 PM »
Yes, at the moment, I'm not interested in an on-site hardware solution. I'm happy to just have a laptop that I turn on when I need it. I used to run servers and RAID and am capable of it, but simply have zero desire.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2022, 06:02:02 PM »
I don't know if it meets your particular requirements, but I have been happy with IDrive. Well reviewed, good encryption, multiple devices. More expensive than some options and cheaper than others...

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2022, 06:17:00 PM »
I don't know if it meets your particular requirements, but I have been happy with IDrive. Well reviewed, good encryption, multiple devices. More expensive than some options and cheaper than others...

I heard that they cap file links when you share them to 2 GB. That really isn't very workable.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2022, 06:25:16 PM »
I use Hightail and generally happy with it

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2022, 06:30:15 PM »
I use Hightail and generally happy with it

I'm leaning that way at the moment.

Can you link to a folder or just a file?
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2022, 07:18:35 PM »
I heard that they cap file links when you share them to 2 GB. That really isn't very workable.

I am not sure that's true; I just shared a 2.4 GB file and downloaded it successfully via the share link. There is, however, a major limitation, which is a maximum of 25 shares. Whether or not that matters depends on your usage, of course.

I know I have downloaded a lot of files via Hightail and it worked well. I have no idea what, if any, limitations that system entails on the other side, though.

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2022, 01:53:04 PM »
I followed the Google "Enterprise" signup process (the only unlimited option) and ended up at $30 per user per month. Just an FYI for those looking at options.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2022, 08:57:25 PM »
I have been very happy with MEGA. You get a very generous 20 GB included with the free plan, and the paid tiers quickly scale up to mammoth amounts of storage if you need it, as much as 16 terabytes for the $30/mo plan.

The other big benefit with MEGA is end-to-end encryption (meaning your data is encrypted in transit and is still secure if intercepted) in addition to at-rest encryption (encrypted once it hits the provider's servers). Most cloud storage providers offering "encryption" are only using the second type.

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2022, 08:59:25 PM »
I have been very happy with MEGA. You get a very generous 20 GB included with the free plan, and the paid tiers quickly scale up to mammoth amounts of storage if you need it, as much as 16 terabytes for the $30/mo plan.

The other big benefit with MEGA is end-to-end encryption (meaning your data is encrypted in transit and is still secure if intercepted) in addition to at-rest encryption (encrypted once it hits the provider's servers). Most cloud storage providers offering "encryption" are only using the second type.

Here are other cloud storage providers offering E2EE:
https://www.privacytools.io/#cloud

I have a free plan with 50 GB but some folks struggle with downloading, partly because I think Mega prompts you to install an app. A little slow sometimes to upload/download, but otherwise good.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2022, 11:17:44 AM »
I use Hightail and generally happy with it

I'm leaning that way at the moment.

Can you link to a folder or just a file?

I think so.  I typically zip a folder on upload as part of my workstream so I would need to confirm.

As far as Mega goes downloads are throttled unless you are a paying member for the links I have gotten.  Not a fan of that.

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2022, 06:15:19 PM »
I use Google One at the moment. But only a 2TB account. I only use it to sync some folders that I use interchangeably between my desktop and laptop. IE - show edits and my website. If I make an edit on one, I can immediately swap to the other computer. I am generally happy with the speeds and being able to only share things with certain people. Drawback, I believe they need to have a google account to have access like that. I see that they have a 20TB option billed monthly at $99. Pretty steep.

I still feel that a NAS is the best solution, as cloud storage of massive amounts is still just out of my price range to do fully. Plus, I like to have physical backups because you never know when it will go kaput. I also backup my Google Drive directory to my NAS.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2022, 07:26:03 PM »
My NAS OS (TrueNAS) has auto cloud credentials and backup sync tasks uilt in for all of the big players.

I tested it out, and due to its simplicity, I hopped on the Google workspace wagon when it was about $30/month.  The challenge was that once I was up into the 30tb-40tb region the bill spiked to $200+/month.  I caught it pretty quick and just deleted the entire backup.

Ironically, I priced out Backblaze B2 and AWS S3 pricing just yesterday and keeping a copy in the cloud is simply cost prohibitive at this point.  I have my 112TB NAS,  64TB backup, and miscellaneous hard drive.  Unfortunately, most live here on site and I do need to get the Misc. externals to family over it the SF Bay.

Good luck to those that have very large data sets.

EDIT: If you are purely looking for a service to SHARE then Google, Hightail, PCloud, etc. seem to make the most sense.  This type of service is sort of a hybrid and is not primarily meant for long-term storage like Backblaze B2 or AWS Glacier.  For $50 per month you can sock away 10TB on B2 but I cannot say how easy it is to link/retrieve.  Keep in mind that STORAGE solutions will charge you a 2nd time for each time it is accessed and pulled back down.  Google Workspace was really simple to set up the backups but the permissions to allow access were not user-friendly whatsoever!  Google Drive or Google One are probably meant more for the consumer.

I use Plex for media management and can use that as a sharing option.  From the GUI I can simply click on an item and authorize access but I primarily use Dropbox Pro since more folks know Dropbox than Plex.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2022, 08:20:12 PM »
I use Hightail and generally happy with it

I'm leaning that way at the moment.

Can you link to a folder or just a file?

I think so.  I typically zip a folder on upload as part of my workstream so I would need to confirm.


Signed up for the 2GB free account and I can get a link to a "space" and then download all the files via a single click.
Zipping might work better, but was trying to eliminate that step in my workflow. Might be better than creating spaces for every individual upload.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2022, 08:48:01 AM »
I’ve always been a Dropbox guy, and continue to be relatively happy with their services.

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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2022, 10:44:20 AM »
I’ve always been a Dropbox guy, and continue to be relatively happy with their services.

I use Dropbox also; but not for archiving stuff.  It's a 2TB account that I mainly use for transferring stuff back and forth between other tapers/filmers. 

In order to archive something like 20TBs on Dropbox, you would need an Advanced or Enterprise account.  Those require 3+ users and cost $24/mth per user for Advanced; and even more for Enterprise.  If you find a good bunch of guys to team up with; that could work out nicely.  But when you start thinking long term ... I don't know.  Most of us are 50s or older.  So you have to keep that bunch of (old) guys together; not to mention, hope Dropbox doesn't go away at some point or make drastic changes to its service or prices.

That's why I have added a NAS to my storage plan.  My 20TBs of stuff is right there at my fingertips; and I don't have to mess with a pile of external drives to maintain it.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2022, 03:49:18 AM »
+1 on Hightail

I just put everything in a single folder, zip it, and upload the zip file.  $16 a month or something like that and no limit to storage.  Easy to share the link. 
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2022, 05:32:39 AM »
EDIT: If you are purely looking for a service to SHARE then Google, Hightail, PCloud, etc. seem to make the most sense.  This type of service is sort of a hybrid and is not primarily meant for long-term storage like Backblaze B2 or AWS Glacier.  For $50 per month you can sock away 10TB on B2 but I cannot say how easy it is to link/retrieve.  Keep in mind that STORAGE solutions will charge you a 2nd time for each time it is accessed and pulled back down.

This. I have heard people who have lost their data and go to retrieve it and it's close to $1k to pull it back down.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2022, 10:37:10 AM »
EDIT: If you are purely looking for a service to SHARE then Google, Hightail, PCloud, etc. seem to make the most sense.  This type of service is sort of a hybrid and is not primarily meant for long-term storage like Backblaze B2 or AWS Glacier.  For $50 per month you can sock away 10TB on B2 but I cannot say how easy it is to link/retrieve.  Keep in mind that STORAGE solutions will charge you a 2nd time for each time it is accessed and pulled back down.

This. I have heard people who have lost their data and go to retrieve it and it's close to $1k to pull it back down.

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2022, 08:05:53 AM »
Cloud storage options - I am embarking on a project to organize my files. They currently reside on many external/bare drives, duplicate copies, etc., but I never know where a particular show is. Rather than have this stuff on external drives, it makes sense for me to organize them to the cloud


Devil's advocate here. JBOD user. (Just a Bunch Of Discs)


I suggest getting an indexing program so you can keep an database of all your files available, even when the drives are in a drawer, a safety deposit box, or your folks's attic!?


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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2022, 09:49:47 AM »
It is hard to send a link to shows from a JBOD arrangement. One of the advantages of cloud storage and certainly one of my requirements.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2022, 03:27:25 PM »
It is hard to send a link to shows from a JBOD arrangement. One of the advantages of cloud storage and certainly one of my requirements.

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2022, 03:36:50 PM »
The problem with a NAS solution, in my opinion, is that it is local. Don't get me wrong: I have, and love, a NAS and use it to directly serve music to my playback system as well as getting a little redundancy in case a drive dies. If the house burns down, or floods, or whatever, though, I will lose my main drives AND my NAS. For me, that is the reason for a cloud backup. It can get expensive, so I guess it depends a little on what you want to achieve. Backup? Distribution? Both? And how many TB are we talking about?

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2022, 04:21:46 PM »
The problem with a NAS solution, in my opinion, is that it is local. Don't get me wrong: I have, and love, a NAS and use it to directly serve music to my playback system as well as getting a little redundancy in case a drive dies. If the house burns down, or floods, or whatever, though, I will lose my main drives AND my NAS. For me, that is the reason for a cloud backup. It can get expensive, so I guess it depends a little on what you want to achieve. Backup? Distribution? Both? And how many TB are we talking about?

I know there are cloud backup solutions for the NAS; although I haven't really looked into them very closely.  My initial impression is that they are somewhat expensive because typically they charge monthly by the GB.  It's just a half of a penny per GB ($0.005) per month for storage and $0.01 per GB for download, but that really adds up.

I am still relatively new to the NAS thing.  I haven't looked into closely, and the initial cost will be big; but there is also the option of having a second NAS setup outside your house that's networked with your first NAS.  Possibly find another taper with a NAS willing to do this with you and you become each other's backup.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2022, 04:41:54 PM »
^ My IDrive account is about $75 a year for 10 TB. That is more than enough for me (for now) and cheaper than a second NAS. I backup selected portions of my main drives, NAS, and laptop. I have found that I am too lazy to manage a non-local option that requires any effort on my part. The cloud option is completely painless. It helps that I do almost no video and don't take tons of photos...

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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2022, 07:52:52 PM »
It is hard to send a link to shows from a JBOD arrangement. One of the advantages of cloud storage and certainly one of my requirements.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2022, 08:34:14 PM »
Yep, I'm not running any servers any longer. I like turning on my laptop when I need to do something. I've run servers in the past, no issues with the technology, I just don't want to spend time setting them up and keeping them up. JBOD is what I use now for storage, but not going to invest in indexing them all when I can just upload to the cloud and get the sharing functionality at the same time I am organizing them.
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2022, 10:33:47 AM »
Yep, I'm not running any servers any longer. I like turning on my laptop when I need to do something. I've run servers in the past, no issues with the technology, I just don't want to spend time setting them up and keeping them up.

I've only been running my Synology NAS for a few months, so maybe it's just too soon to say.  But setting up that NAS was so simple, I was dumbfounded when I realized I was finished and everything was running smoothly (and surprisingly, I did it with no help from my tech-savvy youngest son).  From unboxing, installing the four drives, to having it up and running (which included following along with a 34 min tutorial on Youtube) was around an hour.  I shoot 4K video and tape audio, so I need a lot of storage capacity.  So far, I have 18TBs stored on my NAS.  As I said, maybe it's too soon to claim success.  But it has run seamlessly in the background without even the slightest hickup, so maybe it's been a while since you did this and they are easier to set up and maintain now?
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2022, 08:27:39 PM »
So far, I have 18TBs stored on my NAS.  As I said, maybe it's too soon to claim success.  But it has run seamlessly in the background without even the slightest hickup, so maybe it's been a while since you did this and they are easier to set up and maintain now?

Careful... this is how you anger the data backup gods.  >:D

Just chiming in to say that running NAS is really cool, but be sure to have separate backups for it that are not part of the same array. A NAS array can be a single point of failure with a power surge, or more recently, malware.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/synology-warns-of-malware-infecting-nas-devices-with-ransomware/

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/qnap-patches-zero-day-used-in-new-deadbolt-ransomware-attacks/
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Re: Cloud Storage Options - August 2022
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2022, 04:21:49 PM »
Careful... this is how you anger the data backup gods.  >:D

Just chiming in to say that running NAS is really cool, but be sure to have separate backups for it that are not part of the same array. A NAS array can be a single point of failure with a power surge, or more recently, malware.
YES, definitely treat NAS or other RAID array as a single "drive" when planning your backup strategy.

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