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Small Phantom power
« on: December 28, 2023, 11:13:25 AM »
Hey!

I've been using a Danecke PS-2 with mini output for phantom power but would like to find anything smaller/less obtrusive. Any options?

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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2023, 05:16:50 PM »
A second hand Naiant Tinybox configured for phantom.

Was going to say Danecke PS-2!  But Tinybox is much tinier, if you can find one.
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2023, 07:46:22 PM »
A second hand Naiant Tinybox configured for phantom.

Was going to say Danecke PS-2!  But Tinybox is much tinier, if you can find one.

Had 2 Tinyboxes. Both of them now with dead batteries and with the lack of support from Naiant I was hoping a new solution would have emerged last 10 years but seems like there is not much new if anything to consider? :/
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Omnis:  6xNevaton MCE400s, Countryman b3s (modded), MM HLSOs (4.7K mod), Aevox in ear MK2s, CA-11s
Cards:   Schoeps MK4s with Schoeps CMRS, Milab VM-44 Links, SP CMC-8,  AT853, Sennheiser MKE 104, MM HLSC-1s, ECM-717
Hypers: AKG CK93s (modded), SP CMC-8, AT853, Audix 1280s (Church actives).


INBETWEEN: Naiant Tinybox (CMR mod), Naiant Tinybox (p48 mod), Naiant PFA, CA-9100, CA Ugly, Denecke PS-2 mini, MM-MBM, MM-CBM, SP SPSB-8, custom nuetrik XLR to TRS cables, 5 pin to 5 pin extension cable. 

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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2023, 08:24:45 AM »
Doesn't the Zoom F3 have phantom power. Are you looking for something you can use low profile? If so, how low profile? What kind of rig are we talking about here?
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2023, 08:52:04 AM »
Doesn't the Zoom F3 have phantom power. Are you looking for something you can use low profile? If so, how low profile? What kind of rig are we talking about here?

I second this recommendation. The F3 is overall a bit smaller than the PS-2, which only gives you power and then you need a separate device for your recorder. You will need to power the F3 from an external USB power bank for longer concerts, however.

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3 x 1.9 x 3" / 75 x 47.8 x 77.3 mm
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2023, 09:55:49 PM »
Doesn't the Zoom F3 have phantom power. Are you looking for something you can use low profile? If so, how low profile? What kind of rig are we talking about here?

I second this recommendation. The F3 is overall a bit smaller than the PS-2, which only gives you power and then you need a separate device for your recorder. You will need to power the F3 from an external USB power bank for longer concerts, however.

Denecke PS-2
1.25 x 3.0 x 4.0" (31.75 x 76.2 x 101.6mm)

Zoom F3
3 x 1.9 x 3" / 75 x 47.8 x 77.3 mm
Or a fair bit shorter if you cut the bars off your F3 as several ts members have done :)
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2024, 10:46:43 AM »
Agreed with the others on the suggestion of replacing your current PS-2 + recorder rig with a Zoom F3.

Although not exactly what you asked about that's likely the right answer, making for a simpler rig with no interconnects needed and only one device to power.
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2024, 03:23:20 PM »
sonosax m2d2 is pretty small

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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2024, 03:32:52 PM »
Agreed with the others on the suggestion of replacing your current PS-2 + recorder rig with a Zoom F3.

Although not exactly what you asked about that's likely the right answer, making for a simpler rig with no interconnects needed and only one device to power.

Gutbucket, will the signal be balanced if you go Professional mics with XLRS into Zoom F3 as oppose to same mics into a Den PS-2 with mini plug out -> recorder?
If yes then this is another strong reason to go with the F3 I guess?

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Hypers: AKG CK93s (modded), SP CMC-8, AT853, Audix 1280s (Church actives).


INBETWEEN: Naiant Tinybox (CMR mod), Naiant Tinybox (p48 mod), Naiant PFA, CA-9100, CA Ugly, Denecke PS-2 mini, MM-MBM, MM-CBM, SP SPSB-8, custom nuetrik XLR to TRS cables, 5 pin to 5 pin extension cable. 

DECKS: A10, M10, R05, Tascam DR-05, R09-HR , MT2, Sharp MS-H702, MZ-R 70.

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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2024, 04:16:47 PM »
Agreed with the others on the suggestion of replacing your current PS-2 + recorder rig with a Zoom F3.

Although not exactly what you asked about that's likely the right answer, making for a simpler rig with no interconnects needed and only one device to power.

Gutbucket, will the signal be balanced if you go Professional mics with XLRS into Zoom F3 as oppose to same mics into a Den PS-2 with mini plug out -> recorder?
If yes then this is another strong reason to go with the F3 I guess?

Yes, but in practice it won't matter much because the signal will be balanced all the way to the denecke as well, so the only interference risk is from the power supply to the recorder.
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2024, 04:45:18 PM »
Agreed with the others on the suggestion of replacing your current PS-2 + recorder rig with a Zoom F3.

Although not exactly what you asked about that's likely the right answer, making for a simpler rig with no interconnects needed and only one device to power.

Gutbucket, will the signal be balanced if you go Professional mics with XLRS into Zoom F3 as oppose to same mics into a Den PS-2 with mini plug out -> recorder?
If yes then this is another strong reason to go with the F3 I guess?

Yes, but in practice it won't matter much because the signal will be balanced all the way to the denecke as well, so the only interference risk is from the power supply to the recorder.

But as soon as you go mini plug out from the PS-2 the signals become unbalanced, no?
Toy Box:

MICS:

Omnis:  6xNevaton MCE400s, Countryman b3s (modded), MM HLSOs (4.7K mod), Aevox in ear MK2s, CA-11s
Cards:   Schoeps MK4s with Schoeps CMRS, Milab VM-44 Links, SP CMC-8,  AT853, Sennheiser MKE 104, MM HLSC-1s, ECM-717
Hypers: AKG CK93s (modded), SP CMC-8, AT853, Audix 1280s (Church actives).


INBETWEEN: Naiant Tinybox (CMR mod), Naiant Tinybox (p48 mod), Naiant PFA, CA-9100, CA Ugly, Denecke PS-2 mini, MM-MBM, MM-CBM, SP SPSB-8, custom nuetrik XLR to TRS cables, 5 pin to 5 pin extension cable. 

DECKS: A10, M10, R05, Tascam DR-05, R09-HR , MT2, Sharp MS-H702, MZ-R 70.

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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2024, 04:47:11 PM »
Sure, they're unbalanced from the power supply to the recorder.  You still get interference rejection for the distance from the power supply to the microphones.


But as soon as you go mini plug out from the PS-2 the signals become unbalanced, no?
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Re: Small Phantom power
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2024, 05:54:01 PM »
What Grawk said.  There is a lot less "undesired antenna" in the short interconnect between PA-2 and recorder than between mics and PA-2.  Now, if you haven't ever had occasional problems with electrical interference that's probably not a compelling reason in itself.  But eliminating the extra box and gaining a positive locking XLR connection from mics directly to the recorder is very compelling to my way of thinking.

The Sonosax m2d2 kindms mentions is a really good option, but is significantly more costly, and will require a recorder or phone.
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Better recording made easy - >>Improved PAS table<< | Made excellent- >>click here to download the Oddball Microphone Technique illustrated PDF booklet<< (note: This is a 1st draft, now several years old and in need of revision!  Stay tuned)

 

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