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Sony PCM-M1
« on: September 16, 2004, 01:10:12 AM »
Hello everyone,

I was able to find a Sony PCM-M1 with under 25 recording hours at a great price..it should come in within the next couple of days. ;D I wanted to ask others who own a Sony PCM-M1 about transfering your dat recordings to pc. How can this be done digitally, what cable(s) would be needed?

I wrote to Oade inquiring earlier about this and here is their response:
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We have cables that we rebuild using that one that will do the Trick.  The Oade Digital I/O Active Cable is $165. 

http://www.oade.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=OADE&Product_Code=OADDIGIOA-%28F%29&Category_Code=S7P

Has anyone used this cable before? And how does it hook up to the pc? Very newbie here ;)

Are there any other cables the PCM-M1 owners use and may be able to recommend?

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2004, 01:18:00 AM »
buy the active cable in this thread, it's basically a used "Oade" for $110 less...

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=25112.0

okay that gets you digi in and out of the M1...

now you need to go coax/spdif IN to your computer, there are many soundcards that will allow for this...

Audiophile 24/96 seems to be a popular one for desktops...

I use the VX Pocket V2 with my laptop.

there are many other, check the FAQ and do a search, maybe post in the computer section or the ask the taper section?

then you'll need software to record to, software to track with, software to burn with, and software to flac with :P
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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2004, 02:44:24 AM »
buy the active cable in this thread, it's basically a used "Oade" for $110 less...

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=25112.0

okay that gets you digi in and out of the M1...

now you need to go coax/spdif IN to your computer, there are many soundcards that will allow for this...

Audiophile 24/96 seems to be a popular one for desktops...

I use the VX Pocket V2 with my laptop.

there are many other, check the FAQ and do a search, maybe post in the computer section or the ask the taper section?

then you'll need software to record to, software to track with, software to burn with, and software to flac with :P

Hope you don't mind me asking a few more questions. Going coax/spdif IN to the pc means digital transfer, is this correct? Just want to make sure I'm following this right and learning. :)

Regarding the Audiophile 2496 soundcard, what does the 24/96 signify? I know it has something to do with bit recording, but still not sure what that means in regards to the transfer from the dat recorder. i think i read somewhere that dat recorders can only record in 16bit, so would this affect the transfer in any way since the audiophile is 24/96?

One last thing regarding software...I do have software to record to and burn with, but what is software to track with? Is that to split the wave into individual tracks? And I have heard of .shn recordings, I have one around here and understand this as a lossless compression of .wav files as opposed to .mp3. Is flac in the same boat as .shn?

Thanks again.

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2004, 03:40:11 AM »
i don't have an audiophile2496 cuz i record with a njb3, but basically its just a soundcard with a digi in connection.  the card is also bit perfect wich is VERY important.  dat's record at 16/44.1 (cd quality - in fact, if you want to burn your audio to a cd, you have to resample a 16/48 recording to this anyway) or 16/48.  the audiophile 2496 won't hurt the recording/transfer at all just because its 16 bit.

for recording software, popular choices are sound forge, cool edit pro (now adobe audition), and steinberg's wave lab.  Basically when you transfer, you'll have to play the dat into your pc and record it in real time.  If the recording is 16/48 you'll have to downsample to 16/44.1 if you plan on making an audio cd of your recording, you should do that in this program too.

Then its on to splitting or tracking your recording.  Jump over to www.etree.org and read about sector boundaries and whatnot.  cd wave editor is the popular tracking software of choice...i'm sure that this is freeware.  Track your recording on the sector boundaries, also make sure to end the recording on a sector boundary too.

Once you're done with that, if you plan on sharing it on the web, or just want a back up of it, you should shn/flac it.  shn and flac are pretty much the same thing, but flac is more popular these days because of its better compression and the benefit that it can also do 24bit encoding.  you can pick up the flac frontend here.  I'm pretty sure that cd wave editor now has the option to encode directly to flac when you save your tracked recording.  flacs will play in winamp too, the plugin comes bundled with the frontend.

and bam, your recording is now on your computer.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2004, 03:42:21 AM by SpeshulEd »


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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2004, 06:31:09 PM »
SpeshulEd, thank you so much for the response and links as they provided just the information I was looking for.

Thank you. :)

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 09:59:35 PM »
buy the active cable in this thread, it's basically a used "Oade" for $110 less...

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=25112.0

okay that gets you digi in and out of the M1...

now you need to go coax/spdif IN to your computer, there are many soundcards that will allow for this...

Audiophile 24/96 seems to be a popular one for desktops...

Hi again Tim, quick question. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the active cable that Todd was selling. I took the advice and purchased a Audiophile 2496. I just got this the other day(have yet to install) and just received the cable from Todd today. I'm wondering if I might have missed something though. I am looking at the active cable and the S/PDIF in/out to the Audiophile and still see no way of conncecting them to eachother. They both have female ends. Hate to be a thorn in your side ;), but would you mind helping me out again?

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2004, 10:19:13 PM »
all you need now is a s/pdif coax cable.

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2004, 10:43:52 PM »
Would this one suffice, or do you recommend a certain brand?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14965&item=5722298885&rd=1

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2004, 10:45:33 PM »
Would this one suffice, or do you recommend a certain brand?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14965&item=5722298885&rd=1

would work fine if you need all 6 ft. 

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2004, 01:52:56 AM »
wow, orange is an awesome color.  sorry, that has nothing to do with anything...i just like orange.

yep, that'd definitely work tho, you could probably buy one that'd be a lot more expensive and i'm sure it'd probably be better somehow, but i'd say that this one is a safe bet for what you're doing.


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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2004, 02:18:27 AM »
k, thanks guys.  :)

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2004, 03:54:05 PM »
sorry, I just came back to this thread...

yep, just head to radioshack and get yourself a coax cable with rca ends on it!
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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2004, 02:12:21 PM »
another newbie question here (and this may be a real dumb one):
       I am aware that a coax. cable is a digital cable similar to an optical cable in the fact that it is used to transfer digital audio.  Now, from what I gathered from the archive i've concluded that a S/PDIF connection is basically a digital connection using coax. cable.  Am I on the right track?  Do all S/PDIF connections have one RCA connector at one end?

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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2004, 03:46:52 PM »
optical and coaxial cabl;es are both S/PDIF technically, so the coaxial ones usually do have 2 rca's, one on each end :)

and you can get quality digital true 75ohm from canare for pretty cheaply :)

heres a pic of the audio magic one w/ locking rca connections :)



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Re: Sony PCM-M1
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2004, 08:48:40 AM »
a great primer for s/pdif

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/han/docs/sp-dif.html

About SP-DIF or S/PDIF
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S/PDIF is the Sony and Philips Digital Interconnect Format. It can carry a stereo pair of channels with a sampling rate of up to 96 Ksps (kilo-samples per second) and with a sample precision of up to 24 bits. The S/PDIF output from CD player fits inside this envelope, being only 16 bits per sample at 44.1 Ksps. S/PDIF receivers can often automatically adapt to the rate and precision being delivered to them. When different sampling precisions are used, the most significant bit is always at the same position in the frame. This means that if the transmitted precision is greater or lower than the receiver can render, then the least significant bits become automatically dropped or padded with zeros respectively.

The physical link for S/PDIF carries a Biphase Manchester Coded stream with a line level of 0.5 volts and transformer isolation at both ends. Manchester Coding is a class of line coding methods which combining a data stream with a clock on a single channel where there are up to two transitions on the line for each bit conveyed. With Biphase Manchester, there is a line transition at each end of a bit period and a central transition if the data is a one. For CD audio at 44.1 Ksps the line rate is 5.6448 megabaud and the effective data rate is 2.8224 Mbps or 352.8 kilobytes per second. RCA/phono sockets are normally used.

S/PDIF was first used in the commercial hi-fi world to interconnect CD mechanisms to external DACs, however at least one hi-fi company today makes hi-fi separates which are interconnected using S/PDIF, including an S/PDIF pre-amplifier with digital input and output and active loudspeakers with S/PDIF input and digital cross-overs. S/PDIF is now widely found on DAT players and home theatre separates.

Apart from the pair of audio channels, S/PDIF also carries a subcode similar to the subcode on CDs which indicates the current track number and current time within the track. For S/PDIF the only widely used subcode component is SCMS, the serial copying management system. This enables a stream to be marked as an original or a copy. A DAT recorder sold for the consumer market or digital recording studio component should mark as a copy anything it records from the digital input and is not supposed to allow the user to make copies of material which is already marked as a copy. Many contemporary DAT recorders my be switched between the consumer and professional mode. Other components of the subcode that delineate tracks from each other are now becoming more widely supported.

For professional digital audio, where cable runs between studios are often needed, a precusrsor to S/PDIF known as AES-EBU is widely used. The two formats are compatible with each other for audio, differing only in the subcode information and connector. The professional format subcode contains ASCII strings for source and destination identification, whereas the commercial format carries the SCMS. Professional equipment will use balanced XLR connectors to carry S/PDIF over differential pair cable, as commonly used for low impedance microphones. A normal balanced to unbalanced cable will allow interconnection and may devices nowadays have both XLR and RCA connectors. However, it is important not to use `low noise' cable for digital interconnections (including MIDI actually) since it has very poor high frequency transmission capabilities.

A third physical media often used is plastic optic fibre. Optical fibre has the advantage that, since it is non-conducting, earth-loops cannot be generated and the fibre link is imune to hum and noise pickup. In practice, the poor quality optical fibre components often used can lead to increased jitter generation in the process of separating clock from data in the Manchester decoder at the receiver. This can cause a measureable degredation of the conversion back to analogue format, but advanced design of the circuits using low bandwidth phase-locked loops ameliorates the problem.



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