Topic: V3 to multiple dat decks

[nickgregory]

OK, so I am considering trying to borrow a V3 for the Acoustic Planet show on Friday night and since the show runs `4 hours, I was going to run 2 dat decks, starting the second, midway through the show so I dont miss any of it.  So I would be running Mics>V3>D100>M1...I am assuming that I would need to continue running the D100 to pass a signal through...right?  Assuming this is the case, then this model wont work, because eventually the lead deck will stop.  Do I have any other options?  (and no JB3 is not an option )

[Brian Skalinder]

Run one off the coax, and the other off the AES1 consumer output.  I've run AES1 XLR / coax cable (both with and without an impedance transformer) > D100 with fine results.  Just make sure the AES1 is set to output a consumer signal.  I believe the default jumpers are set to consumer signal, not pro.

[nickgregory]

had not considered that...let me see if I can find a AES cable here locally...thanks for the info!

[Brian Skalinder]

Or just run a coax splitter right outta the V3, before both decks - but I'd test this first to make sure spliting the signal doesn't cause either or both decks to not sync.  I think the coax/AES option is probably safer, but either solution should work.

[nickgregory]

would any local type stores carry an AES/coax cable?  I assume i could get a coax splitter from rat shack if I wanted to try that....

[gewwang]

you can run the d100 off a oade cable and then run the coax out of the first oade cable into another oade cable to the m1

[nickgregory]

you can run the d100 off a oade cable and then run the coax out of the first oade cable into another oade cable to the m1

yeah, but wouldnt I have to keep the d100 running to pass the signal to the m1?  this is what I wanted to do, but thought it would not work

[gewwang]

can't say with 100% certainty, i'll try it tonight unless someone can verify before then.

[nickgregory]

can't say with 100% certainty, i'll try it tonight unless someone can verify before then.

if you can try it, that would be great.....I wont have access to another deck til friday..thanks

[Brian Skalinder]

you can run the d100 off a oade cable and then run the coax out of the first oade cable into another oade cable to the m1

yeah, but wouldnt I have to keep the d100 running to pass the signal to the m1?  this is what I wanted to do, but thought it would not work

Nope, won't work.  I've tried this before.  The Oade cable isn't a splitter.  It's linear:  Oade cable input > deck > Oade cable output.  It sends the signal into the deck...then the deck passes it back out.  And the deck will only pass the signal out if in Record or Record/Pause mode.

[gewwang]

yeah, i vauguely remember running into this a few years ago.

nick, if you can get your hands on a dap1, run coax to the p1, coax out of p1 to 2nd deck. i believe the p1 won't fall out of pause like the m1/d100.

[nickgregory]

thanks moke...good to know...

george good point, let me see what I can pull together....

[Tim]

where's Jason B at? He doesn't have something around the house or at work?

[wboswell]

why not just press pause when the d100 gets near the end of the tape.  It will pass a signal in record pause.  I have done this at shows where I had a patcher running a 3 hour tape and I was running a 2hour.  I just hit pause and passed the signal to the patcher so that he would get the complete tape...

[nickgregory]

the pause on the D100/M1 shuts down after 5 minutes (I think it is) of not being engaged. 

[nickgregory]

where's Jason B at? He doesn't have something around the house or at work?

he was my next call tonight...

[Brian]

the pause on the D100/M1 shuts down after 5 minutes (I think it is) of not being engaged. 

if you can't change a tape in 5 minutes you have problems

edit: speaking of the V3 mine is en route to my house as i type

[nickgregory]

the pause on the D100/M1 shuts down after 5 minutes (I think it is) of not being engaged. 

if you can't change a tape in 5 minutes you have problems

I agree with this, but realize, the decks have to be setup serially, once I start the 2nd deck, that will be the deck catching the remainder of the show.  As a result, when the first one runs out of tape, it will shut down

[Brian]

i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.

or am i missing something?

[nickgregory]

i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.

or am i missing something?

that would create three tapes...My hope would be to only have 2 tapes after it is over...

[Brian Skalinder]

i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.

or am i missing something?

Sooooo...how does one change the tape in the first deck (through which the signal flows to the second deck) while it's in Record/Pause mode?

[leegeddy]

nick;

why can't you run 2 decks from 2 of the 4 digi outs from the v3? 

bnc>s/pdif > one deck
s/pdif > other deck.

marc

[Tim]

bnc? that's the word clock out isn't it?

[Brian Skalinder]

bnc? that's the word clock out isn't it?

Unless you've had it modded to an opti out. 

[Tim]

I'm working on that

[leegeddy]

bnc? that's the word clock out isn't it?

my bad... one out from AES>coax > deck the other from s/pdif>coax>deck.

marc

[Tim]

that's the problem, he doesn't have an aes cable...

[dnsacks]

what's wrong with having 3 tapes -- all of the solutions mentinoned below (aes>spdif cable, adaptors, splitters, etc.) are going to run more, $$$-wise, than a third blank dat.

[Tim]

hey Nick, be glad you didn't try to tape Phish 12-31-99

second set went from about 11pm to 7am straight through with no stops

[Sean Gallemore]

[F.O.Bean]

tim-i tried to tape that mess, and damn what a mess it was

schwill-what the hell is that for

[nickgregory]

what's wrong with having 3 tapes -- all of the solutions mentinoned below (aes>spdif cable, adaptors, splitters, etc.) are going to run more, $$$-wise, than a third blank dat.

no problem..just like to know my options!  Thanks all for the info...+Ts all around

[Tim]

tim-i tried to tape that mess, and damn what a mess it was

schwill-what the hell is that for

I taped the first 4 sets... and didn't go near the damn section for the last set

[greenone]

i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.

or am i missing something?

Sooooo...how does one change the tape in the first deck (through which the signal flows to the second deck) while it's in Record/Pause mode?

Can't you record to the second deck first, leaving the first deck in record/pause mode until it's needed? I'm pretty sure my D8 will remain in pause mode indefinitely as long as it's powered via AC; is the M1/D100 different?

--Dave

[Brian Skalinder]

Can't you record to the second deck first, leaving the first deck in record/pause mode until it's needed? I'm pretty sure my D8 will remain in pause mode indefinitely as long as it's powered via AC; is the M1/D100 different?

--Dave

Not sure if the M1/D100 will remain in pause indefinitely while on AC.  Hmmmmm.  'Course, this brings up the question:  do you have external power for your decks, Nick?

I'm completely stunned by how much traffic / many posts this thread generated!   

[dnsacks]

I BELIEVE that a d7/d8/d100/m1 will pass (and show) levels indefinitely if ONLY the record button is pressed.  I seem to recall that, unlike puttting the deck in record pause, this does not cause the deck to load the tape and spin the heads, which I also believe is the reason the deck eventually drops out of record pause.

Darrin

[Tim]

I thinkn darrin is right....

when at a show I place my sony deck and all others in record, then just hit pausex2 to get it rolling.

[leegeddy]

Can't you record to the second deck first, leaving the first deck in record/pause mode until it's needed? I'm pretty sure my D8 will remain in pause mode indefinitely as long as it's powered via AC; is the M1/D100 different?

--Dave

Not sure if the M1/D100 will remain in pause indefinitely while on AC.  Hmmmmm.  'Course, this brings up the question:  do you have external power for your decks, Nick?

I'm completely stunned by how much traffic / many posts this thread generated!   

bri;

the m1/d100 will kick out of rec/pause mode after 5min even with external.  both will stay in rec mode (passing signal) indefinitely.

marc

[nickgregory]

I BELIEVE that a d7/d8/d100/m1 will pass (and show) levels indefinitely if ONLY the record button is pressed.  I seem to recall that, unlike puttting the deck in record pause, this does not cause the deck to load the tape and spin the heads, which I also believe is the reason the deck eventually drops out of record pause.

Darrin

this I may have to try to see if it works....thanks!

[Brian]

i thnk he saying pause the first deck, change it's tape, then when the second tape runs out you chan change it while the first one is running.

or am i missing something?

Sooooo...how does one change the tape in the first deck (through which the signal flows to the second deck) while it's in Record/Pause mode?

yeah i don't know why i said that    that won't work. i think i misread boswell's post and was confused.  my apologies. 

[F.O.Bean]

tim-i tried to tape that mess, and damn what a mess it was

schwill-what the hell is that for

I taped the first 4 sets... and didn't go near the damn section for the last set

nice, i was deep in the section patching outta my buddies cad>v2>ad1k>p1 rig

i didnt piss for about 10 hrs

[leegeddy]

I BELIEVE that a d7/d8/d100/m1 will pass (and show) levels indefinitely if ONLY the record button is pressed.  I seem to recall that, unlike puttting the deck in record pause, this does not cause the deck to load the tape and spin the heads, which I also believe is the reason the deck eventually drops out of record pause.

Darrin

this I may have to try to see if it works....thanks!

nick;

i have an extra Canare AES>coax cable i made if you need one.  it's brand new. i think it's a 2.5 or 3 footer.

marc

[nickgregory]

thanks marc...but the show is on friday.  +T for the offer though.  That being said, it looks like it will sit in rec monitor mode indefinitely...this is a good thing!

[leegeddy]

thanks marc...but the show is on friday.  +T for the offer though.  That being said, it looks like it will sit in rec monitor mode indefinitely...this is a good thing!

nick;
np.. hope the dual deck thingy works out.

marc

[greenone]

One thing I just thought of, though...if you go from rec monitor to rec/pause, there might be a hiccup when the tape is loaded rather than passing the signal through the whole time. Unfortunately I don't have two decks to test with...

[nickgregory]

One thing I just thought of, though...if you go from rec monitor to rec/pause, there might be a hiccup when the tape is loaded rather than passing the signal through the whole time. Unfortunately I don't have two decks to test with...

yeah, I thought of this myself....I have pretty much decided to put off a test run for me with a V3 (strictly to see what it sounds like) for another show...much easier to run my current rig since I can have 2 seperate outs going simultaneously through the Mod SBM1.

Thanks all for the input!

[marc0789]

would any local type stores carry an AES/coax cable?  I assume i could get a coax splitter from rat shack if I wanted to try that....

a little iffy to split the coax signal. just need to find an xlr>coax female that you can plug a standard coax into. music store might be a better bet, I couldn't find the xlr>coax piece at ratshack.

[barrettphisher]

Get a patch bay and run signal from the coax V3 into it...that way there is always a deck rolling....
Barrett

[leegeddy]

Get a patch bay and run signal from the coax V3 into it...that way there is always a deck rolling....
Barrett

when Moke let me borrow his V3, i ran 3 outputs simultaneously:

1. AES1 to Sony PCM-2600
2. AES2 > Canare imp. transformer > s/pdif > maudio 2496
3. S/PDIF > Sony PCM-R500

i made 2 master dat dubs and a direct transfer to my hdd.

after a few hours of usage, i found that the V3 jumped up on my "wishlist" of toys!!

marc