Topic: rear firing tweeters

[Tim]

anyone here run the VR-2's or any other rear firing tweeter system? Just curious what you thought of them, seems like an interesting concept.

do they need a lot of room to breathe back there?

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

the VR4JRs have them.  I have mixed feelings. 

At first I didn't like them so I kept turning them down until they were completely off.  A big issue is that I have glass behind my speakers. 

But then I cranked them again so that they would burnin with the rest of the drivers.  Now when I turn them all the way off, I miss them.  They do make a difference in the imaging.

I don't know how this story is going to end. 

I know that wasn't helpful.

[Tim]

no it was.

I'm interested in what people's experiences are, I don't need a review that was great.

[Nick's Picks]

all VR speakers emply this.
the cool part about it is that its not simply a rear fireing tweater.
its also out of phase, giving you a very wide/deep sence of space.  Its not ugly at all.
As im sure you've read, the deal w/this is to act like a microhone in reverse.  that rear ambiece, which is OOP, is exactly like a mic works.  There isn't much that is picked up from behind a card or hyper, but there is some...and that is vastly responcible for certain soundstage information.  So, it *had* to be included on playback, and that is why Albert went with this design.
IMO, it makes blumlein recordings sound absolutely real.  A couple that I have made display rear info so well, i'd swear there were crowds of rude people chatting away behind my couch...but there is only a wall there.


I keep it cranked on my VR4, and have noticed that there is not nearly the amount of output on these as there were on my VR2s, which I also kept cranked.
I would turn them off...run for a month, then turn them back on and see where i liked it.  I think 75% was where I settled w/the vr2

[jk labs]

no it was.

I'm interested in what people's experiences are, I don't need a review that was great.

What others have said. The effect of throwing hf energy rearwards and up is quite interesting. I read about it long ago and experimented on a pair of clones of the Spica TC-50.

The rearfiring tweeters were attached permanently 

[BobW]

Anyone using Dipoles ? Which model ?
I never appreciated them until I heard a well placed pair of high-end Polks.

Mid-room, mid-wall playing Starvinski at a Dr.'s office.  Giant soundstage, excellent imaging.
I had the sense of being in the 10th row at a good hall.
I think he was using Adcom or Rotel power.

[ducati]

Now that's an above-average Dr's office.  Most of the ones I go to have dog-eared magazines I've already read.   

[MattD]

all VR speakers emply this.

The VR1s don't. VR-2s or 4jrs are in my future when I get a house and a room to play with (at least 3 years away, *sigh*.

[Nick's Picks]

all VR speakers emply this.

The VR1s don't. VR-2s or 4jrs are in my future when I get a house and a room to play with (at least 3 years away, *sigh*.

that was supposed to read "employ" not "emply"
any way, after I posted that I wondered about the vr1 and if they had the ambient driver. 
oh well...too bad they didn't.

[ducati]

Too bad is right--I'd be all over the VR1s if they had that driver...  I'd love to try that in my home office.  I could use a little more "space" as it's pretty small.

[scb]

i like the rear tweeter on my vr2s.  seems like everything is a bit richer with it on

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

i like the rear tweeter on my vr2s.  seems like everything is a bit richer with it on

Did they blend better after breakin?

[Tim]

i like the rear tweeter on my vr2s. seems like everything is a bit richer with it on

I couldn't remember who had the VR-2's on this board... these are the next speakers on my radar, probably going to have to wait until summer but they really have piqued my interest.

[Nick Culbreth]

i like the rear tweeter on my vr2s. seems like everything is a bit richer with it on

I couldn't remember who had the VR-2's on this board... these are the next speakers on my radar, probably going to have to wait until summer but they really have piqued my interest.

slut.

[Tim]

yes, yes I am

[scb]

to be honest i'm not sure what break-in they needed.  i moved somewhere during the break-in period so the room sound changed

[Tim]

what about the low end extension scott? they're rated pretty far down, what do you think?

the idea of ditching the sub and still being able to run a speaker of that size is very tempting.

I do like the balance that the B&W (bright) sound matched with the tubes gives me... I'm a bit worried that the VSA's are too laid back sounding for my amp.

[ducati]

People usually characterize ProAc as laid back...  But my ProAc's sound MUCH better with tubes than SS.  No way is it too much of a good thing, IMO.  I came from B&W N805's, FWIW...

[scb]

what about the low end extension scott? they're rated pretty far down, what do you think?

the idea of ditching the sub and still being able to run a speaker of that size is very tempting.

I do like the balance that the B&W (bright) sound matched with the tubes gives me... I'm a bit worried that the VSA's are too laid back sounding for my amp.

oh i have absolutely no need for a sub with these things

[Nick's Picks]

yea, they are rated down to 22hz if I remember correctly.
and after you listen to them, you will know that it ain't bullshit.

same w/the VR4 rated down to 16hz.
those things go places I can't tollerate.

[mhibbs]

My Snell Type Ds have a rear firing tweeter...adds quite a bit to the depth of the soundstage in my opinion.