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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: nedstruzz on June 19, 2005, 01:22:30 PM
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Anyone have a preferance over XY or ORTF? Any others that people think are better? I generally run with KC5's and am looking to see what more experianced Schoeps users prefer or think sound best!
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From my fairly limited experience running MK4s, I've definitely preferred ORTF over X/Y. X/Y seems to cut even more low end from the Schoeps than other mics. Unless it's an extremely heavy bass situation (FOB @ Panic, etc.) I don't plan on running X/Y anytime in the near future.
My fave config has definitely been DIN. It seems to bring out more of both the high and low end, and creates an overall more natural sound. I've yet to run DINa, but am looking forward to it.
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Hey Nick, Thanks for the reply! Can you explain to me what the placement is for Din and DinA
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http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=26461.0 ;)
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oh and DINa is 17cm seperation w/ a 90 degree angl;e
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Bean, Thank you for that link. So the Din Bars that I see would be the 17 or 20 CM @ 90 degrees! The only thing I did not like about those bars were that the capsule is just hanging off the end of the bar and the fact that you are trying to squeez a $400 cable into the precut grooves. Just was not a huge fan!
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I really wouldn't be at all concerned about the various bars, they're not going to damage your cable and the mic caps are secure...
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Bean, Thank you for that link. So the Din Bars that I see would be the 17 or 20 CM @ 90 degrees! The only thing I did not like about those bars were that the capsule is just hanging off the end of the bar and the fact that you are trying to squeez a $400 cable into the precut grooves. Just was not a huge fan!
I won't call it a copy, but the Kwonbar looks to have a design that's no more or less likely to damage a KC* cable than Schoeps own STC bar. As an owner and user of both, I can say they hold the mics quite securely and I'd have no fears when using them. You *may* see some slight scraping of the Nextel Gray surface but that's pretty minor.
- Jason
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Bean, Thank you for that link. So the Din Bars that I see would be the 17 or 20 CM @ 90 degrees! The only thing I did not like about those bars were that the capsule is just hanging off the end of the bar and the fact that you are trying to squeez a $400 cable into the precut grooves. Just was not a huge fan!
nedstrux, that's how the kc5 and other collette accessories were designed to be mounted. It's a tried and true method that has worked for decades. Give 'em a try, you may be surprised at how well it works ;)
Jason, prototypes for the BBG extension will be here early next week...thanks for the patience!
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i love the ORTF space at the DIN angle...for card caps!
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i love the ORTF space at the DIN angle...for card caps!
that's DINa
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I run my 4's ortf from the sweet spot, x,y from the stage lip, and hope to bum some 41's for distance. If I had to use the 4's from range, i'd go x,y.
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XY gets a bad wrap, but so you don't see too many folks running them that way except onstage, which I've done and really liked. We ran 41's xy for a Crowes show at the Tabernacle in Atlanta and I was very happy with the recording... still isn't all that great, but for the Tabernacle, it was really nice. Don't be afraid to try them out.
Personally, I think the mk4's sound best run ORTF when in or near the sweet spot. There's a reason why they make the stcg bar...
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Jason, prototypes for the BBG extension will be here early next week...thanks for the patience!
Woo hoo! Looking forward to them - thanks!
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I stay away from XY with the schoeps, especially with the 41's.
With the mk4's I loved ORTF, and with the 41's I pretty much stick with DINA
On the topic of the tight fit with the bars and the collette cables, just get a file and file it down some on the inside to give you more room. The KWON bars I find not to be tight at all, but the Schoeps ORTF bar is very tight and I filed it down some to make more room instead of pushing a $400 cable too hard.
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On the topic of the tight fit with the bars and the collette cables, just get a file and file it down some on the inside to give you more room. The KWON bars I find not to be tight at all, but the Schoeps ORTF bar is very tight and I filed it down some to make more room instead of pushing a $400 cable too hard.
the Kwon bars are a bitch to file down.
I got a DIN bar for my MG actives but the opening on the bar was about 1mm too small so I tried to file it out...ruined that bar...it worked, but it didnt hold snugly at all and even with rubber bands holding the cables coming out the back of the bar i was constantly afraid the cap assembly would fall out the front.
granted, the Kwon bar wasnt made for my MG, but I'm just saying that its hard to file out and easy to render the bar useless
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Interesting, I never had a problem with the KWON bars when it came to fit.....the schoeps brand bar I had to file because I couldn't get the cable in unless I really pushed on the cable and as I said..didn't like doing that to a $400 cable.
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Interesting, I never had a problem with the KWON bars when it came to fit.....the schoeps brand bar I had to file because I couldn't get the cable in unless I really pushed on the cable and as I said..didn't like doing that to a $400 cable.
well, the only reason why I got the bar was because the Kwon Schoeps bars were suppossed to fit the JK Labs cables...they fit the AKGs, just not the MGs
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ahhh, so we are talking about different cables...are the MG's thicker than the schoeps?
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thinner. I can get both cables on 1 side of the A20s to lock in its clip
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Jason, prototypes for the BBG extension will be here early next week...thanks for the patience!
OK, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. What is a BBG extension? Is it a neato little toy another taper(s) might be interested in?
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Jason, prototypes for the BBG extension will be here early next week...thanks for the patience!
OK, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. What is a BBG extension? Is it a neato little toy another taper(s) might be interested in?
Basically a more professional version of the thing pictured here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=44751.0
It will let me use the BBGs as designed, and basically allows use of any accessory that works well with a full sized 19/20mm mic to be used with either a CCM* or KC*/MK* active setup. My hacked together magic marker shells (and duct tape) and more recently PVC pipe and epoxy works, but is fragile, isn't exactly the right diameter, and isn't something I feel I can depend on in a pinch.
- Jason
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oh and DINa is 17cm seperation w/ a 90 degree angl;e
This is my fav all around config. I even like to spread it more like 20cm to get more low end info
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oh and DINa is 17cm seperation w/ a 90 degree angl;e
This is my fav all around config. I even like to spread it more like 20cm to get more low end info
And that's DIN - 20cm, 90 degrees.