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Advice for AKG C414 in this room?
kindms:
looks like a modern version of cohoes.
depending on where you are on the floor skies the limit
quiet respectful crowd ? x/y fig8s
quick and dirty ? cards PAS or DIN
yltfan:
To answer some of the questions:
Band is Superchunk
Two channels, plus board feed (I think)
GA standing crowd - probably kindy rowdy, but I doubt obnoxious
I was planning to go like 10 feet high, try to get up above any chatter
as for location - close dead center, probably about 20 feet back? Maybe 30? I dunno, I'm pretty bad at that kind of guess - but just inside the SBD cage
yltfan:
--- Quote from: Gutbucket on February 06, 2024, 04:54:13 PM ---What's the music?
How far back on the floor?
Two channels?
Keeping it simple:
I'm assuming whatever it is will be PA amplified..
If close enough, ORTF can work well in a good room, but I'd open up the pattern to subcardioid. ORTF is a rather wide angle between mics for concert taping, but the more open subcard pattern helps with that. DIN with cardioids is often better as the angle between mics is narrower, placing them somewhat more on-axis with the PA. If further back on the floor go NOS, and maybe narrow the angle a bit..
..which of course leads me to recommend Improved PAS technique which automatically optimizes for whatever position you end up with on the floor. The ability to fine-tune pattern with the switchable 414's works really well for that, going with a more open pattern the closer you are, and a tighter pattern from further back. A tighter pattern from farther back helps keep the spacing more reasonable too. Unfortunately the Improved PAS spacings tend to get wide the farther back you are in the room, and you'd need the ability to vary the spacing between mics to use that technique.
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What is "Improved PAS"?
yltfan:
--- Quote from: rocksuitcase on February 06, 2024, 03:54:03 PM ---depending on HOW close, and your mounting choices, maybe M|S?
Looks like a beautiful room, as for acoustics, lots of hard surfaces, such as those chairs in the balcony..
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I'd love M/S, but not sure I have the proper mounting stuff.
HealthCov Chris:
--- Quote from: yltfan on February 06, 2024, 08:05:54 PM ---To answer some of the questions:
Band is Superchunk
Two channels, plus board feed (I think)
GA standing crowd - probably kindy rowdy, but I doubt obnoxious
I was planning to go like 10 feet high, try to get up above any chatter
as for location - close dead center, probably about 20 feet back? Maybe 30? I dunno, I'm pretty bad at that kind of guess - but just inside the SBD cage
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The configururation (A/B; DIN; ORTF; NOS) matters less if your getting a decent soundboard to mix, but probably cardioid for the polar pattern. Without the soundboard, I always like the Hypercard setting with the 414's, especially if the crowd gets chatty and the room is a little boomy.
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