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Attenuating clapping in live recordings - the easy way
voltronic:
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I had been doing this in audacity but to get all the claps down to music levels the declick settings I had to use ended up making the applause sound have a pumping effect. After I switched to Adobe Audition I found I got better results by selecting the applause area and applying a hard limit to the section with a db cut which brought the loud claps down but left the rest untouched. This resulted in an easy way to do the same thing and a superior sounding (at least to me) result.
Hopefully this adds another tip to your post-processing bag of tricks :D
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Yep, that's one of the methods described in the sticky thread on post processing - I'll give that a shot also. Thanks!
F.O.Bean:
I have always highlighted each clap and reduced the gain of that clap. Works great and sounds very natural. But this seems like the way to go ;)
tim in jersey:
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bluntforcetrauma:
Great, how do you actually select a "hard limit" for clapping? What kind of db cut do you use? I use PEAK but i do have adobe audition I just never had used it.
I have been using the pencil tool in PEAK to individually lower clapping, in the attempts to lower clapping in order to have the " highest db of the recording being music and not clapping, so that when normalizing it will normalize to the sound of music and not an applause.
any help will be appreciated
i have been editing some acoustic shows and most have extended clapping after songs that are of a higher db level than any other "music " part.
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--- Quote from: voltronic on June 25, 2013, 04:45:44 PM ---Maybe others know this already, but I just discovered a way to easily reduce the level of close-to-rig clapping without much impact to the surrounding music, making normalization easier and/or the clapping less obtrusive.
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Previously I would manually attenuate the applause between songs and/or edit the loudest claps individually, and then normalize. This accomplished the goal of raising the overall music level, but my edits were always very obvious and unnatural sounding. Today I was reading up on click/pop removal for vinyl transfer, and thought it might apply to this situation. The results were dramatically more natural sounding, and this process takes a fraction of the time. This would have saved me hours editing this year's concerts. :facepalm:
I tried this first in Izotope RX2, then again in Audacity. No suprise that RX2 gave me superior sounding results but you can similar results in Audacity also. Here's my process for both programs:
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I had been doing this in audacity but to get all the claps down to music levels the declick settings I had to use ended up making the applause sound have a pumping effect. After I switched to Adobe Audition I found I got better results by selecting the applause area and applying a hard limit to the section with a db cut which brought the loud claps down but left the rest untouched. This resulted in an easy way to do the same thing and a superior sounding (at least to me) result.
Hopefully this adds another tip to your post-processing bag of tricks :D
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candor:
--- Quote from: bluntforcetrauma on July 06, 2013, 08:54:58 PM ---Great, how do you actually select a "hard limit" for clapping? What kind of db cut do you use? I use PEAK but i do have adobe audition I just never had used it.
I have been using the pencil tool in PEAK to individually lower clapping, in the attempts to lower clapping in order to have the " highest db of the recording being music and not clapping, so that when normalizing it will normalize to the sound of music and not an applause.
any help will be appreciated
i have been editing some acoustic shows and most have extended clapping after songs that are of a higher db level than any other "music " part.
--- Quote from: candor on June 29, 2013, 12:41:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: voltronic on June 25, 2013, 04:45:44 PM ---Maybe others know this already, but I just discovered a way to easily reduce the level of close-to-rig clapping without much impact to the surrounding music, making normalization easier and/or the clapping less obtrusive.
snip
Previously I would manually attenuate the applause between songs and/or edit the loudest claps individually, and then normalize. This accomplished the goal of raising the overall music level, but my edits were always very obvious and unnatural sounding. Today I was reading up on click/pop removal for vinyl transfer, and thought it might apply to this situation. The results were dramatically more natural sounding, and this process takes a fraction of the time. This would have saved me hours editing this year's concerts. :facepalm:
I tried this first in Izotope RX2, then again in Audacity. No suprise that RX2 gave me superior sounding results but you can similar results in Audacity also. Here's my process for both programs:
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I had been doing this in audacity but to get all the claps down to music levels the declick settings I had to use ended up making the applause sound have a pumping effect. After I switched to Adobe Audition I found I got better results by selecting the applause area and applying a hard limit to the section with a db cut which brought the loud claps down but left the rest untouched. This resulted in an easy way to do the same thing and a superior sounding (at least to me) result.
Hopefully this adds another tip to your post-processing bag of tricks :D
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If you look at the waveforms in your editing software, the clapping sections are distinctive. High narrow peaks - usually louder than the surrounding music or other recording. It can take a bit of trial and error, but I usually start with the hard limit at or below the peak level level of surrounding program. This way the loud claps are attenuated but the rest of the applause sounds pretty natural. I find this takes me much less time than highlighting and adjusting each clap individually and I've often got claps that all don't respond to the same click removal settings. If the overall applause is still too loud, the envelope tool is your friend.
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