Topic: Audition 3 question

[yousef]

I'm sure there must be a least a couple of people here who use Audition for multitrack recordings...

Does anyone know if there is a way to set Audition up so that the input and output devices are different devices? e.g. a modded UA-5 as the input and the computer's internal soundcard as the output?

I've been trawling the menus but there doesn't appear to be an obvious way of doing this.

[Brian Skalinder]

Dunno how much it's changed since v1.5, but in v1.5 it's in Options | Device Properties.  There're Wave In and Wave Out tabs that allows the user to select different devices.  Pressing the Change button on these tabs also opens the Device Order window that allows one to select multiple devices for both playback and record, and specify the preferred order of usage.

You might also try Audition's Help file.  I've found Audition's Help file is really very good.  Good luck!

[kirk97132]

This is exactly what I have setup but let me review the steps and repost before I misspeak.  I do remember I could not do it from Audition.  Look back here later, Kirk

[kirk97132]

It needs to be done through your control panel.  The one thing I noticed was that if recording I MUST keep that window open or the recording stopped.  It will not run in background, at least on my machine, Kirk

[yousef]

Thanks for the pointers but I don't think I'm any nearer with this...

Brian, I don't seem to have a Device Properties option in any of the menus and the phrase doesn't come up when searching the Help file - I guess this is something that has been changed since v1.5.

Kirk - how do you do this through the Control Panel? I've gone to CP>Sound and disabled playback through the UA-5 and disabled recording through the internal sound (hoping to force the issue) but nothing seems to have changed.

The problem appears to be that when setting up the inputs/outputs one has to choose the driver first and only afterwards organize the ins and outs (ie via that particular driver) - there doesn't seem to be an option for having more than one driver (and therefore device) at once.

The Help file isn't much use on this topic, I'm afraid - I just keep getting pointed to the same page that explains how to select the driver for both inputs and outputs... No joy from Google yet either - but I've still got several thousand results to sift through 

I can't believe that multiple devices would be possible in earlier versions but not under later revisions - what can I be missing here?

Thank you for the replies thus far!

[kirk97132]

Start on page 35 of the manual for the UA-5
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=37958.0
And then I think you set your in put and out put option in Adobe by going into EDIT > AUDIO HARDWARE SETUP. 

[yousef]

Start on page 35 of the manual for the UA-5
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=37958.0
And then I think you set you in put and out put option in Adobe by going into EDIT > AUDIO HARDWARE SETUP.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something here - I've already got the UA-5 installed and working fine.

The Edit>Audio hardware Setup menu in Audition only seems to allow me to pick the same device for both input and output - what I'm trying to do is run two drivers simultaneously so that I can use the UA-5 for recording and a different device for playback.

[admkrk]

doesn't it do that normally?

there's no real need to hear playback at the same time. if you're trying to monitor it, your best bet is headphone into the ua-5.

[kirk97132]

Until it was set in the control panel I had the same problem.  Once you do it you can record into via UA-5 and have playback on your soundcard.   

[yousef]

Until it was set in the control panel I had the same problem.  Once you do it you can record into via UA-5 and have playback on your soundcard.   

Can you tell me what option I'm looking for in Control Panel? I only seem to be able to enable/disable devices as documented above and there doesn't seem to be any reference to even this in the UA-5 manual...

Just had a thought, I'm not sure I've made it absolutely clear that I want to be able to use both devices simultaneously within Audition.

doesn't it do that normally?

there's no real need to hear playback at the same time. if you're trying to monitor it, your best bet is headphone into the ua-5.

I'm wanting to overdub rather than just monitor and the modded UA-5 has playback disabled.

[admkrk]

i guess i just don't understand? why can't you just do that in post instead of on the fly?

[kirk97132]

I don't wanna come off as an asshole but did you really read the manual? I told you to start on pg 35.   I'm sitting here with my manual in front of me on page 36 There are explicit instructions with pictures even.  Once I followed those instructions everything worked exactly as you want it to.   Everything is there including what to click on in control panel

[yousef]

i guess i just don't understand? why can't you just do that in post instead of on the fly?

I want to use Audition as a multitrack recorder - eg I want to be able to put down a track of guitar and then go back and add a track of bass. To do that I'll need to be able to hear the first track as I play which I can't do through the UA-5 as the mod that has been performed disables playback of PC audio.

I don't wanna come off as an asshole but did you really read the manual? I told you to start on pg 35.   I'm sitting here with my manual in front of me on page 36 There are explicit instructions with pictures even.  Once I followed those instructions everything worked exactly as you want it to.   Everything is there including what to click on in control panel

I appreciate your help, but I don't think the UA-5 manual is going to help me here. The section you mentioned has no mention of the Control Panel for anything other than for Macs. There is an earlier section that is relevant to PCs but, as I mentioned above, I have already set-up the preferred input and output devices as this describes and I still get no audio through my PC speakers.

To be honest I'm not sure how the UA-5 manual would have instructions relevant to how Audition routes its output. As I see it, the problem is not one with the UA-5, it's a problem of getting Audition to route its output audio to something other than the UA-5.

[admkrk]

ok, now i understand what you're after. i don't think it's possible to play back a track and record a separate one at the same time. maybe if you opened 2 instances of audition it might work? or used a stereo for the playback?

[kirk97132]

Until it was set in the control panel I had the same problem.  Once you do it you can record into via UA-5 and have playback on your soundcard.   

Have you tried this yet?

[yousef]

ok, now i understand what you're after. i don't think it's possible to play back a track and record a separate one at the same time.

I'm pretty sure it should be possible - it'd be a strange multitrack recorder if it didn't...

Until it was set in the control panel I had the same problem.  Once you do it you can record into via UA-5 and have playback on your soundcard.   

Have you tried this yet?

I'm not sure what I'm meant to be trying here - the only options I get through the Control Panel are enabling/disabling recording and/or playback for individual devices. I adjusted these (so that playback only is enabled for my internal soundcard while only recording is enabled for the UA-5) after your first reply. I thought by doing this I'd be 'forcing' the output through the internal sound device but still get no output.

I think this may be because Audition only 'sees' playback/input devices from within the currently selected driver. So if I choose the UA-5, my only outputs are via the UA-5...

I'm baffled as to how you are able to configure Audition like this while I can't - can I check that we're using comparable setups? I'm using a Busman modded UA-5, laptop PC and Audtion v3.

[yousef]

I did it! (I think).

It seems if I select the "Audition 3 Windows Sound" driver under EDIT>AUDIO HARDWARE SETUP, the UA-5 inputs still appear as an option on the drop-down Inputs menu.

What has been catching me out is that the converse is not true: i.e. if I select the UA-5 driver, any other outputs do not appear on the drop-down Outputs menu.

I'm now getting a message that says that the driver I'm using does not offer the best quality but I'm going to experiment for a while and see how it works out.

Thanks for the pointers.

[kirk97132]

Good I'm glad you got it working.   I also don't take much stock in microsoft telling what is best

[yousef]

Well, I thought I had it...

It seems pretty hit-and-miss whether Audition recognizes that the UA-5 is there or not.

I thought there was some correlation between it working and having the UA-5 was in ADV and 96kHz REC mode when it was turned on but even that doesn't seem to do the trick every time.

This coupled with the fact that even when it was working I was getting a noticable latency issue means I'm going to find another (maybe Firewire) input device.

Oh well, it was worth a try...

[kirk97132]

Somethings funky, I don't have any of those issues.  I'm running Xp on a Dell E510 with a Busman modded UA-5.  Let me rephrase that. I do notice Audition will take a "warm up" period if I have a lot of effects dialed in.  Meaning that it takes sometimes as long as 15 or 20 seconds to start and sometimes will start choppy.  But this is using effects that give you the warning it may not play(IE Studio Reverb) I hit pause and give things a chance to "catch up" and it runs fine then.  BUT, I am only doing multitrack mixing of previously recorded things.  MOst tracks I have loaded were 14 at once.  The only time I use the UA-5 is to do DAT to computer transfers.  Audition is a bit of a CPU hog.  Try CTRL/ALT/DEL and check out if you are maxing out your machine.  If thats the case then from what I have heard a firewire type interface is better.  Most of the multitrack work I do out of the effects rack which helps rather than add an effect to a track in edit view.