Topic: Sony PCM-M10 (part V)

[it-goes-to-eleven]

*Why* care about unity?

analog patchers?

Let's see.. What sounds best, or patchers... sounds best or patchers... Snort.

[gmm6797]

analog patchers?

who patches any more?  who even needs to?
just tell them to get it off dime/etree/etc after the fact

[ScoobieKW]

Jumped into the M10 pool this week. Got the M10 from B&H on Thursday. Am in love.

Thursday: Rockin' Teenage Combo - bar gig with Sony ECM907 from balcony. Good, not great due to not enough crowd rejection
Friday: Paul Kemmish - Acoustic Bass, piano, clarinet and drums. Onboard omnis at front of stage. Turned out great.
Saturday: Rockin' Teenage Combo - bar gig, tabletop close taping. very nice.

Building linkwitz mod Panasonics, and am starting the search for a Nak 300 style kit. (Love the CP4 for large venue taping)

[aaronji]

who patches any more?  who even needs to?
just tell them to get it off dime/etree/etc after the fact

I like to patch sometimes.  I live in Europe, but I travel to the US for work several times a year, usually to major cities where I can find a show or two I'd like to record.  Generally, I am by myself.  So I go to the team board for that area and ask if anyone will be recording and perhaps willing to offer a patch.  That way, I only need to bring a recorder and a cable.  The real bonus, for me, is that I have the chance to meet some like minded folks to hang out with at the show.  I always offer to help set-up or breakdown, block, carry stuff to the car, etc.  And I buy beers...

Strictly necessary?  No, but I have met some good people this way.  It's also nice to have the recording to screw around with during the inevitable airport down times...

[morst]

I like to patch sometimes.

(snip) And I buy beers...

I <3 patchers who buy beer and watch the rig during pee breaks. Makes the whole show WAY more fun!

[Napo]

I like to patch sometimes.  I live in Europe, but I travel to the US for work several times a year, usually to major cities where I can find a show or two I'd like to record.  Generally, I am by myself.  So I go to the team board for that area and ask if anyone will be recording and perhaps willing to offer a patch.  That way, I only need to bring a recorder and a cable. 

aaronji,

which cable you need for a patch from a SoundBoard. A RCA would do it?

[Fried Chicken Boy]

which cable you need for a patch from a SoundBoard. A RCA would do it?

Depending on the soundboard, it's most likely RCA (tape out) or XLR (matrix).  To be on the safe side, it doesn't hurt to be prepared for 1/4" outs, too.

Most likely aaronjii is talking about patching from another taper's deck?  Usually less complicated than getting a feed from the venue's soundboard.  I'm also agreed with morst: big fan of patchers that buy the beers and will watch the rig during bathroom breaks.  Folks like that can patch out of my deck anytime.

[F.O.Bean]

I like to patch sometimes.

(snip) And I buy beers...

I <3 patchers who buy beer and watch the rig during pee breaks. Makes the whole show WAY more fun!

Me three

[terabyte23]

New M10 owner here, coming from an R-09HR.  The M10 is a very nice unit.  Battery life is amazing, 4GB internal storage is great, and I actually like the rec level dial more than I expected.

I used the M10 at a loud metal show recently with my SP-CMC-8 mics (low sens mod) and an SP battery box.  Same setup I normally use except now with the M10.  When recording I like to peak around -6db but to accomplish that I had to turn the rec level dial up to about 8.5.  I tried recording one set on mic-in to compare (I always use line-in, did this as a test).  In that case I had the dial set to about 4 to peak at -6db.

Reading the past few pages it sounds like unity is around 4 or 5 on the M10 line-in.  So my question is, do I need to be using mics WITHOUT the low sens mod to be able to record via line-in with the levels around 4 or 5?  Or maybe use a pre instead of the battery box?  Or just use mic-in?

Thanks.

[F.O.Bean]

I have used MIC-IN the only 2 times I ran my CA14>SP BB>M10. Dont be afraid to do that. I also had the M10 at unity gain [4] on the rec level wheel

[aaronji]

I like to patch sometimes.

(snip) And I buy beers...

I <3 patchers who buy beer and watch the rig during pee breaks. Makes the whole show WAY more fun!

Me three

An added bonus there is that I can tap the locals' knowledge of the good micro-brews too...So many of them these days...Actually, Bean, I think I bought you a beer at a show in the 'Burgh a few years back (STS9 at Mr. Small's).  At least I offered, but I can't recall if you wanted one or not.  I wasn't patching that day, though...

I have used MIC-IN the only 2 times I ran my CA14>SP BB>M10. Dont be afraid to do that. I also had the M10 at unity gain [4] on the rec level wheel

I'll second that.  I recently recorded Rush mic-in with DPA 4060s (20 mV/Pa) and had no problems...

[hi and lo]

I have used MIC-IN the only 2 times I ran my CA14>SP BB>M10. Dont be afraid to do that. I also had the M10 at unity gain [4] on the rec level wheel

The concept of unity gain only applies to the line input. It's the theoretical point at which no gain or attenuation is applied by the recorder thus imparting the least 'color.' Mic inputs are, by definition, applying liberal amounts of gain and will color a recording regardless of the setting used.

That said, I would venture to say there is probably a sweetspot with the m10's Mic input.

[F.O.Bean]

I like to patch sometimes.

(snip) And I buy beers...

I <3 patchers who buy beer and watch the rig during pee breaks. Makes the whole show WAY more fun!

Me three

An added bonus there is that I can tap the locals' knowledge of the good micro-brews too...So many of them these days...Actually, Bean, I think I bought you a beer at a show in the 'Burgh a few years back (STS9 at Mr. Small's).  At least I offered, but I can't recall if you wanted one or not.  I wasn't patching that day, though...

I have used MIC-IN the only 2 times I ran my CA14>SP BB>M10. Dont be afraid to do that. I also had the M10 at unity gain [4] on the rec level wheel

I'll second that.  I recently recorded Rush mic-in with DPA 4060s (20 mV/Pa) and had no problems...

AWESOME Thanks! Yeah, I can't honestly remember what happened, whether I got a drink from you or not......What an AMAZING show tho! That STS9 show STILL gets ALOT of play from me

[aaronji]

^^^  Yeah, that was a great show!  You were fighting tooth and nail to protect your stand from the heavily spun crowd, though...I guess you didn't see as much of it as you heard!

[F.O.Bean]

^^^  Yeah, that was a great show!  You were fighting tooth and nail to protect your stand from the heavily spun crowd, though...I guess you didn't see as much of it as you heard!

Yeah, I'm usually the lone taper for Biscuits/Lotus/STS9/etc, and it gets HAIRY FOB at Smalls