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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2008, 05:06:33 PM »
I really like my 414XLS/st 's

They do output a hot signal but they are very versatile (card, sub-card, omni, fig 8, hypers) I know you won't be using many of the other patterns but they are nice to have
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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2008, 05:35:07 PM »
I really like my 414XLS/st 's

I know you won't be using many of the other patterns but they are nice to have

That's what I was thinking
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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2008, 05:37:48 PM »
I really like my 414XLS/st 's

I know you won't be using many of the other patterns but they are nice to have

That's what I was thinking

You mean getting a stereo pair so you can use them for taping too, when they're not occupied as reinforcement mics?  ;D

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2008, 05:41:58 PM »
I really like my 414XLS/st 's

I know you won't be using many of the other patterns but they are nice to have

That's what I was thinking

You mean getting a stereo pair so you can use them for taping too, when they're not occupied as reinforcement mics?  ;D

I don't know about you guys, but walking around with a pair of schoeps and a pair of 414's really get's me off   ;D
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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2008, 05:56:11 PM »
I really like my 414XLS/st 's

I know you won't be using many of the other patterns but they are nice to have

That's what I was thinking

You mean getting a stereo pair so you can use them for taping too, when they're not occupied as reinforcement mics?  ;D

I don't know about you guys, but walking around with a pair of schoeps and a pair of 414's really get's me off   ;D

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2008, 12:04:38 AM »
I'm thinking C 414 B-XLS

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2008, 10:13:16 AM »
I loved my set of C 414 B-XLS.  :'(

Are the Limited Edition version the same as one of other brands only silver or is there something else going on with it?
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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2008, 11:23:16 AM »
I like my XLS's too.

I also see 414's used for overheads on drums quite often (austin city limits/late night shows?) but can't tell what flavor

They definately have a place in the arsenal.
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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2008, 02:04:03 AM »
I don't know about you guys, but walking around with a pair of schoeps and a pair of 414's really get's me off   ;D

Oh yes it does!!  I love running 4 channel with the MK4V's/414's.  Gonna try out my new Schoeps M/S rig with the 414's this comming weekend (ironically, recording the OTHER Kimock)

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2008, 11:11:19 PM »
I don't know about you guys, but walking around with a pair of schoeps and a pair of 414's really get's me off   ;D

Oh yes it does!!  I love running 4 channel with the MK4V's/414's.  Gonna try out my new Schoeps M/S rig with the 414's this comming weekend (ironically, recording the OTHER Kimock)

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2008, 11:37:50 PM »
Maybe I'm off here but If it's really for Steve's rig... would it be worth a call to AKG?  At least the US office, you would think they would be more than happy to let you know what they think about the situation, I know most purveyors of musical equipment enjoy working with known touring musicians.  Who knows they may let you try some different options?

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2008, 02:03:29 PM »
Reading this thread and seeing Steve's endorsement coupled with having transferred a Phish DAT recorded with 414s has seroiusly reinforced my desire for a pair of these for instrument mics @ home.

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2008, 11:13:32 PM »
Hi Charlie

I wouldnt get any of the current 414 for live use.  I really like how the xls sounds but you switch the patterns after phantom is applied.  That is annoying.  I would also stay away from the more open sounding TLII which is also a great mic but is too open and airy for Steves guitar.  The B-ULS is the workhorse of the lineup and what most people use live.  If you can find one, the EB is the shining star of the 414 lineup (the old ones being the creme de la creme- and probably what came from the GD studio) and the new ones being close and more reliable.

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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2008, 11:36:00 PM »
I'd have to agree that the 414B-ULS are maybe more preferable in this case. 

They're no longer available new, but can be found used quite easily.  In general, they are the most sought after and most often preferred 414.  In my experience, they are bit warmer and more "analog" sounding.

I'd have to guess that any mic that came out of the GD studio was an older model, which would probably rule out the XLS.

Might be worth checking out the older options, although they all sound damn fine.


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Re: AKG 414's (which ones should I get???)
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2008, 09:13:42 AM »
Sorry to arrive late to this party. The sad fact is that when someone refers to an AKG "414" without specifying which of the approximately 15 (I'm serious) different models of AKG C 414 they are referring to, you simply don't know what mike they used. You don't even know what kind of microphone they used, apart from the raw basics ("large diaphragm, electrically switchable pattern, side addressed"--which could describe any of hundreds of different microphones) plus a certain distinctive visual design.

Within this line of models, AKG has used three different-sounding capsule types; only two of those capsule types are available any more. Knowing which capsule type is in a given model of 414 begins to give you a clue as to what kind of sound the microphone will give you.

The original C 414 was the successor of the C 412 (the solid-state, locally pattern-switched version of the C 12). The C 12 was sold as a general-purpose recording and broadcast microphone, and was widely used as such. But even after other condenser microphones supplanted it in that role, its particular high-frequency elevation made it a persistent favorite for close-miking vocalists in studios and on stage. The CK 12 capsule used in the C 12, C 12A, C 412, the original C 414 and some other models (including the C 24 stereo microphone and the Ela M 250 and M 251 made for Telefunken) is the one that's unavailable today. Microphones that still have one in good condition fetch very high prices on the "vintage" market.

AKG has since introduced a kind of copy derived from the design of this capsule, one is easier and cheaper for them to mass-produce. (The original required extensive hand-tuning of each individual capsule.) The derived version lacks some of the sonic characteristics of the original; I know of no engineers outside of AKG's marketing department who consider this derived capsule to be the equivalent of a real CK 12. Unfortunately, AKG clouds the picture considerably by also calling their knockoff capsule the "CK 12." It is in all the subsequent C 414 models that have a "II" in their name, as well as in their several attempts to market a C 12 "reissue" which again, no one I know of has ever considered to sound very much like the real thing.

The third type of capsule has essentially flat frequency response and is used in the "ULS" microphones of the series. It's very good for general recording, but has never been a favorite for close-miked studio vocals. When studio engineers mention a "414" for any kind of spot miking they almost certainly do NOT mean any model in the ULS line. However, for the type of semi-distant (moderate pickup distance) recording that people in this forum generally use, for a main pair of microphones doing the overall pickup of a musical performance and the room in which it's taking place, that is the type of 414 I would recommend. The other kind is useful only if you are picking up mainly direct sound and only if you want to brighten it considerably--and in the kind of recording that people here do, the first of those conditions is almost never met.

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