1. Am I making a mistake distributing mine?
It's from my C1000 > PB224 > AD-20 > NJB3. Is this not quality enough to put out?
2. Did I handle the show right?
I took my NJB3 file (2 hr set) into CDWav and split it there. There's no good disc swap point, so it does swap on a segue, but I guess if that really bothered someone and they had a better idea, they could EAC and put it back together however they want.
3. How do I get it out?
What's the best way to get this show out (if I should), and what do I need to know to not make a mess of it.
[/list]Multi-disc recordings
- As above, but the last track of disc 1 is a fade-in of the first 10 seconds in disc 2, track 1.
- As above, but the first track of disc 2 (or 3, or 4) is a fade-out of the last 10 seconds in disc 1 (or 2, or 3...), last track.
- This allows someone to rip all the discs and then just delete the last and first tracks of the appropriate CDs to seamlessly recompile the WAVs.
[/list]Multi-disc recordings
- As above, but the last track of disc 1 is a fade-in of the first 10 seconds in disc 2, track 1.
- As above, but the first track of disc 2 (or 3, or 4) is a fade-out of the last 10 seconds in disc 1 (or 2, or 3...), last track.
- This allows someone to rip all the discs and then just delete the last and first tracks of the appropriate CDs to seamlessly recompile the WAVs.
i think that's a little overkill...but to each his own. i'm sure it does make for a pleasant listening experience, if only listening to one disc at a time, though if you've got a changer and it can go to the next disc and subsequently right to the next track, it's not a big deal. also, you're adding additional "tracks" into the set and i wouldn't make the fileset any more complicated than it should be for joe archivist...i just have the tracks laid out, labeled for whichever disk, and let everyone figure out how they want to listen to it.
basically, we are all stupider for having read your post brian, and may god have mercy on your soul. ;) :P :lol:
I don't subscribe to the whole fades thing, but that's just me. When the technology catches up to allow me to put an entire show on one continuous medium (i.e. DVD-Audio, Hard disk, whatever) I don't want the fades left over from where someone had to put a disc cut. Give me the "rough cut" of the show tracked out for disc, that's all I ask.
I don't subscribe to the whole fades thing, but that's just me. When the technology catches up to allow me to put an entire show on one continuous medium (i.e. DVD-Audio, Hard disk, whatever) I don't want the fades left over from where someone had to put a disc cut. Give me the "rough cut" of the show tracked out for disc, that's all I ask.
Fading properly - as I do - doesn't prevent you from going back and recompiling to put the complete show onto one continuous medium.
Ditto, JR, the ETree tracking guidelines are a good place to start.
just curious, what do you define as fading "properly?" Just fade-out at the end of a set?
My concern is if a set runs over 74 minutes, people putting a fade at the disc cut. That just bothers me
DESTRUCTIVE FADEAs you can see, the two discs cannot be recompiled seamlessly, the fade-in (A) and fade-out (B) will always remain in the recompiled WAVs:
0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------------CD1-WAVs-------------------------A
B--------CD2-WAVs---------
DESTRUCTIVE FADE, RE-COMPILED WITH FADESOr, if we remove the fades outright, we're now missing the A/B fade content in our re-compiled WAV:
0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------------CD1-WAVs-------------------------AB--------CD2-WAVs---------
DESTRUCTIVE FADE, RECOMPILED W/O FADESAnd now, the example of non-destructive fades - these fades overlap one another precisely, so we can remove the fades outright and still recompile the WAV seamlessly. Sure, we're duplicating the fade content, but that doesn't really matter IMO - far more important to allow for seamless WAV recompilation.
0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------------CD1-WAVs------------------------- --------CD2-WAVs---------
NON-DESTRUCTIVE FADEAs you can see, with a non-destructive fade, if you remove the fade-in (A) and fade-out (B) and recompile, you're left with only the complete set of unedited music (i.e. no fades in the recompilation), no missing content:
0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------CD1-WAVs-recompile-OK-------------------A
B---CD2-WAVs-recompile-OK--
NON-DESTRUCTIVE FADE RECOMPILEDPhew. Anyone who read all that...needs to get a life! :D
0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------CD1-WAVs-recompile-OK----------------------CD2-WAVs-recompile-OK--
does anyone actually use 74's anymore?
just curious, what do you define as fading "properly?" Just fade-out at the end of a set?
My concern is if a set runs over 74 minutes, people putting a fade at the disc cut. That just bothers me
A proper fade, IMO, fades in at the beginning and out at the end of a set so there isn't music missing. This ideally should be done within the 74min mark. But I was referring specifically to a multi-disc set fading out at the end of the first disc and fading in at the start the second disc such that you can recompile the WAVs seamlessly - as though the fades were never there. This is a proper fade, IMO.
I've seen a lot of people split a set between two discs so that it cannot be recompiled seamlessly. For example: Cut a 90min set at the 60min mark. That leaves a 60min first disc and a 30min second disc. For the sake of simplicity, let's assume they fade-out the last 1 minute on the first disc and fade-in the first 1 minute on the second disc. (Of course, no one would fade-in/out a full minute, but it makes it easier to illustrate the problem.) More listenable, sure, but there's a problem: you can't recompile the WAVs seamlessly. The fades will always be a part of the recompiled WAVs. It will recompile fine for the first 59min, then there will be a fade-out from 59min - 60min, followed by a fade-in from 60min - 61min, and finally will recompile fine from 61min - 90min. This I define as an improper fade-in/out.
Visually, the two situations look like this. Start at 0 minutes on the left, 90 minutes on the right. A = the 1min fade-out on the first disc, B = the 1min fade-in on the second disc.IMPROPER FADE0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------------CD1-WAVs-------------------------A
B--------CD2-WAVs---------As you can see, the two discs cannot be recompiled seamlessly, the fade-in (A) and fade-out (B) will always remain in the recompiled WAVs.
PROPER FADE0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90
--------------------CD1-WAVs-recompile-OK-------------------A
B---CD2-WAVs-recompile-OK--As you can see, with a proper fade, if you remove the fade-in (A) and fade-out (B) and recompile, you're left with only the complete set of unedited music (i.e. no fades in the recompilation):0....5...10...15...20...25...30...35...40...45...50...55...60...65...70...75...80...90Phew. Anyone who read all that...needs to get a life! :D
--------------------CD1-WAVs-recompile-OK-------------------
---CD2-WAVs-recompile-OK--