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PF 24, PF 30, 24F and 60i settings?
« on: May 08, 2011, 05:03:46 PM »
Just wanted to ask some simple questions...
24F is cinema mode?
Usually when people use the footage for the internet it is best to set the camera setting to PF30 and if it is for DVD it is best to set it as PF24?

When is it best to set it as 60i instead of PF24 or PF30?

In my camera I have 4 options: 24p, PF24, PF30 and 60i

I usually leave it at PF24 cuz I made a DVD at the end... If I plan to put the footage online like youtube I set it as PF30..Are there the best setting?
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Re: PF 24, PF 30, 24F and 60i settings?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2011, 10:47:26 PM »
DVD is 60i not 24f.

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Re: PF 24, PF 30, 24F and 60i settings?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 12:06:16 AM »
What camera are you using? A Canon? Those settings look like the ones in the HVXX series. If you're going to shoot in 24 mode don't use the PF24 mode, use 24F since it's true 24p. PF24 is 24 frames in a 60i container.

I think the mindset that became popular was 24p gives a more film like appearance because it's the same frame rate as film. When shooting 24p you have to be careful with what you're filming though. Fast panning and movement can show blur more easily and you have to plan your shots. In reality I think 30p is fine for the film look. The progressive frames make the difference. Standard DVD is 60i but you can use 30p and it works just fine. The player will just split the frame into fields and reassemble them to create the original image.

If you encode 24p to DVD it has to be flagged with a pull down so the player will know what the source material is and be able to deliver it correctly.

I don't know if there's a frame rate that is truly best for web content. 30p should work fine. I'd probably stick with that rate if you're shooting anything with a good bit of motion. If you film low motion events like weddings 24p works fine. Personally I like the look of 24p if I'm in a situation where I can get away with it but 30p is safer if you're not sure what you'll be filming.

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Re: PF 24, PF 30, 24F and 60i settings?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 06:21:20 AM »
I've got 2 camcorders: Canon HF S200 and HF M400

So you suggest I film in PF 30? I think the cinema look makes the images more blur - don't know if you realize that. I do film fast movements so 24F or PF 24 is not a good idea?
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Re: PF 24, PF 30, 24F and 60i settings?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 07:52:02 AM »
For fast movements you definetly want 60i.

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Re: PF 24, PF 30, 24F and 60i settings?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2011, 09:20:35 PM »
A lot of it is preference. 24p seems to give a more film like appearance because it real film is 24 single frames a second. The problem with 24p and high motion material is that there is fewer frames to capture what's going on every second. 30 frames gives the camera a little more time each second to capture the action. That's why fast motion can look blurry at 24p. If you're filming stationary, low motion footage 24p is fine. For live music I wouldn't use it. 30p and 60i are both 30fps. 60i captures each frame as 2 separate fields, and odd and an even, and interlaces them back together 30 times a second. 30p records 30 full individual images each second. I don't find there to be a major advantage in going with 60i over 30p. For me the progressive image I get with 30p gets me a little closer to that elusive film look, but it honestly doesn't make a HUGE difference. The advantage with 60i is that it's a standard frame rate and you don't have to do anything special to deal with it. 30p is still easy for any NLE to work with and if DVD is the end format it works fine. The DVD player will just break apart the progressive image and reassemble it if it needs to. Render your MPEG file as NTSC with progressive frames and it works fine.

 

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