Topic: B&W Dealers

[fozzy]

Looking to pickup a set of B&W 600 S3's.  The only local place that carrys them is giving me 10% off list or 315 a pair.  comes out to 341 w/ tax.  Since i doubt a set of these will come up on audiogon can anyone reccomend another dealer.

thanks

[JeffK]

You'll have to go to a local dealer, and generally it seems that B&W's pricing is pretty set.  I was able to get about the same 10% off on my 604S3's about 2 years ago as well though.

[scervin]

I've never received a quote under 10% on B&W.  Probably get them for $330 out the door.

[Tim]

You'll have to go to a local dealer, and generally it seems that B&W's pricing is pretty set. I was able to get about the same 10% off on my 604S3's about 2 years ago as well though.

what he said

[dmonterisi]

i got more than 10% off my brand new N804's about 5 years ago, fwiw.  it's hard to say what came off of what, but i got about $700 off the speakers and other stuff i purchased.  on average it was about 18% off total on the items.

[Tim]

you have 804's? nice...

[dmonterisi]

you have 804's? nice...

they're fun.  i'm still pushing them with a marantz 125wpc receiver though.  i just haven't been able to justify the investment it would take to go with separates given how much HT i listen to.  i have b&w surrounds and centers as well, but not from the nautilus line.  sounds great, and i have run other pre-amps and power amps in my system and while it sounded a little bit better, never stark enough to justify the added investment.

[Tim]

hurry up and move out here so I can listen

[dmonterisi]

i'm working on it.  find me a high-paying low stress job that doesn't require me to sit in an office all day and I'm there.

[nickgregory]

i'm working on it. find me a high-paying low stress job that doesn't require me to sit in an office all day and I'm there.

what the mod positions benefits aren't enough for you?

[dmonterisi]

if only i had health insurance...old man Bri is a slave-driver I tell ya.

[Tim]

i'm working on it. find me a high-paying low stress job that doesn't require me to sit in an office all day and I'm there.

you and me both

[ducati]

you have 804's? nice...

they're fun.  i'm still pushing them with a marantz 125wpc receiver though.  i just haven't been able to justify the investment it would take to go with separates given how much HT i listen to.  i have b&w surrounds and centers as well, but not from the nautilus line.  sounds great, and i have run other pre-amps and power amps in my system and while it sounded a little bit better, never stark enough to justify the added investment.

Just do what I did...  Keep your receiver for HT.  Buy a preamp with a theatre passthrough (and a 2-channel power amp) and run preamp outs on your receiver to the theatre passthrough on your 2-channel pre.  Attach your best 2-channel sources to the 2-channel pre, and the HT gear to the receiver.  When you listen to tunes, the receiver is out of the picture.  When you want HT, you use the passthrough on the 2-channel pre and it locks to unity gain, thereby giving control to your receiver.

This way you have your best gear for your 2-channel rig, but still get the benefit of the (hopefully) superior amplification during movies.

FWIW I run:
Rega Jupiter / Rega P3 / McCormack UDP-1 > Audio Research SP16 > Audio Research VS55 > ProAc D25...  For HT I use McCormack UDP-1 > Denon AVR 1802 > passthrough of the ARC SP16.  I still have my B&W CC3 and DM302's for surround (I used to have some Nautilii as well).

It works out real well, although there are some caveats.  I have been doing it for years now, if you have any Q's.

[BJ]

i'm working on it.  find me a high-paying low stress job that doesn't require me to sit in an office all day and I'm there.

I hear rumors that Wal-Mart and Tyson are both hiring lawyers to bail their asses out of the lawsuits for hiring illegally...

I CAN'T imagine this would require you to sit still in an office or provide much stress... 

also..if you did ...I could listen to your 804's 

[dmonterisi]

you have 804's? nice...

they're fun.  i'm still pushing them with a marantz 125wpc receiver though.  i just haven't been able to justify the investment it would take to go with separates given how much HT i listen to.  i have b&w surrounds and centers as well, but not from the nautilus line.  sounds great, and i have run other pre-amps and power amps in my system and while it sounded a little bit better, never stark enough to justify the added investment.

Just do what I did...  Keep your receiver for HT.  Buy a preamp with a theatre passthrough (and a 2-channel power amp) and run preamp outs on your receiver to the theatre passthrough on your 2-channel pre.  Attach your best 2-channel sources to the 2-channel pre, and the HT gear to the receiver.  When you listen to tunes, the receiver is out of the picture.  When you want HT, you use the passthrough on the 2-channel pre and it locks to unity gain, thereby giving control to your receiver.

This way you have your best gear for your 2-channel rig, but still get the benefit of the (hopefully) superior amplification during movies.

FWIW I run:
Rega Jupiter / Rega P3 / McCormack UDP-1 > Audio Research SP16 > Audio Research VS55 > ProAc D25...  For HT I use McCormack UDP-1 > Denon AVR 1802 > passthrough of the ARC SP16.  I still have my B&W CC3 and DM302's for surround (I used to have some Nautilii as well).

It works out real well, although there are some caveats.  I have been doing it for years now, if you have any Q's.

ok, can't do this for a while until i start working again and figure out where i'm moving, but help me out a little bit.

here's what I have source-wise:

DAT deck, Onkdy DV-sp800 dvd/dvd-a/sacd/dc player, tivo/cable source (right now i don't have a cable box), cassette deck (rarely used), and I'd like to get a turntable at some point.

fed through a Marantz 125 wpc HT receiver (don't know model number)
Kimber bi-wired 8TC > N804's
B&W CC6 S2 (center)
B&W LM-1 for surrounds (great for me cause they came with mounting brackets since i had to put the surrounds up on the wall).

Room is about 23 x 12 with 10 foot ceilings.  the system is one of the long walls, but the L and R are only about 12' apart due to doors on that wall and are 3 feet from the wall, toed in.

as I read your post, I need to add (aside from a sub--that comes later, there is no place to really put one right now) a 2 channel pre w/HT passthrough and a 2 channel amp.  now would the 2 channel amp always be active (ie, it would still be used even during HT usage) correct? 

what suggestions do you have to get this set up?  I would like to do it for less than $1500 if possible.

does anything about HT performance or 2 channel performance?  2 channel performance would be more important, obviously, but i don't want to totally sacrifice HT performance.

adding a sub later shouldn't be a problem as I see it.

any thoughts, comments, suggestions would be appreciated.  I don't know all that much about this and I do find a lot of this stuff pretty intimidating and this forum isn't always the most friendly...

EDIT to note that I would like to add a 2 channel DAC at some point, but it's not a priority, I like the DAC in the onkyo and the DAC in the marantz is adequate for my DAT right now.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

I know that there are quite a few other opinions but for that budget you could get a Bel Canto 2.0 DAC for 800 and a Jolida tube integrated for less than 700.  That would make a nice 2 two channel front.  You'd get the sick upsampling and get some warmth from the tubes.   I think that warmth would complement the B&Ws.  I had an amp with EL34s and I really loved it's sound.  There is a 302B on agon right now that would be in your range with enough money left over for the bel canto.  I think the 302B does not have theater pass through mode but after you figure out where the 302's volume control should be to match the rest of the speakers, then it's trivial to get close enough for a good match when you watch HT.

I can't remember who here has it but someone has or has access to a Jolida.

Honestly, I think the best thing you could do is hang some panels in that room.  For about $150 in materials, you can hang 6 24"x48" panels with a fabric cover that is close to the color of your walls.  They weigh very little so you can use medium duty picture hangers and it would not hose your plaster.  I've got all the tools and adhesive you would need. 

edited for grammer

[dmonterisi]

thanks for the suggestion.  room treatments would be good, but given that i'm likely to move in the next few months, i'm not all that likely to do anything like that right now.  more looking for long term suggestions.

[Tim]

I know that there are quite a few other opinions but for that budget you could get a Bel Canto 2.0 DAC for 800 and a Jolida tube integrated for less than 700.  That would make a nice 2 two channel front.  You'd get the sick upsampling and get some warmth from the tubes.   I think that warmth would complement the B&Ws.  I had an amp with EL34s and I really loved it's sound. 

You basically just described my system, only I have the asl and not a jolida...

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

You basically just described my system, only I have the asl and not a jolida...

I thought about ASL because of your posts, but I looked on audiogon and the ASL units were just over the suggested budget if he gets a Bel Canto DAC.   If the budget were 1750, then it looks like several ASL models would be in range.

I do think that an integrated is a good choice for getting into tubes.  I've always tried to use separates from the same designer for preamp and amp to minimize the chance of a mismatch between the components.  The benefit of the integrated is that the pre and amp are already a good match.  You don't need interconnects so that saves some money.  I know the argument that separates benefit from each stage having an isolated power supply, but if the power supply of the integrated amp is well designed then it should sound great. 

Hey Damon, there is a place in McLean called Deja Vu Audio (http://www.dejavuaudio.com).  They have some nice gear and you can check out the jolida units there.  I heard a Jolida (with some Spendors I think) and it sounded pretty good.  They have always been nice to me when I go there and they will let you listen for as long as you want.  I took in a MPP Panic show and the guy was really excited to hear it so we listened to the entire second set just hanging out in the basement room. 

[Nick Culbreth]

Go with the tubes, you won't regret it.  There are a number of affordable tube integrated amps availabe from Jolida, ASL and Cayin which would fit nicely into your budget depending on which DAC you went with.  If it were me I'd be more inclinded to spend a larger portion on the amp end and then upgrade the DAC later.

[ducati]

ok, can't do this for a while until i start working again and figure out where i'm moving, but help me out a little bit.

as I read your post, I need to add (aside from a sub--that comes later, there is no place to really put one right now) a 2 channel pre w/HT passthrough and a 2 channel amp.  now would the 2 channel amp always be active (ie, it would still be used even during HT usage) correct? 

That is correct.  You add a 2-channel pre w/theatre passthrough and a 2-channel power amp.  And you are correct--the signal during HT usage would go DVD > Receiver (pre-out L/R) > 2-channel pre > 2-channel power amp.

what suggestions do you have to get this set up?  I would like to do it for less than $1500 if possible.

Some of the 2-channel preamps that I know of with theatre passthrough are the McCormack RLD-1, any newer Audio Research pre (see arcdb.ws for specifics), and some Carys.  I am sure there are others.  You absolutely couldn't go wrong with the setup I had: McCormack RLD-1 > McCormack DNA-125.  I ran it for years with my B&W N805's, and then later with my ProAc D25's.  The McCormack gear was an asbolutely SMASHING match for B&Ws.  It has plenty of grip (B&Ws seem to like to be taken by the scruff of the neck and shaken), and McCormack's stuff is an awesome combination of the musicality of tubes and the dynamic prowess of solid state. 

does anything about HT performance or 2 channel performance?  2 channel performance would be more important, obviously, but i don't want to totally sacrifice HT performance.

HA!  Think about it--you are now using your HT Receiver as a DAC...  And bypassing the subpar preamp section and usually limiting amp section by sending the signal to two excellent separates.  HELL YEAH it makes it sound better.  And the great thing is--you get this sound on HT *and* 2-channel.  It's a win-win all around for those of us who value music...

any thoughts, comments, suggestions would be appreciated.  I don't know all that much about this and I do find a lot of this stuff pretty intimidating and this forum isn't always the most friendly...

EDIT to note that I would like to add a 2 channel DAC at some point, but it's not a priority, I like the DAC in the onkyo and the DAC in the marantz is adequate for my DAT right now.

Just a quick note here...  If you do what I do, you have your DVD player digital out hooked up to your HT Receiver.  This is used for movies and 24/96 as described above.  Then you take the ANALOG outs of your DVD/SACD/CDP and run them straight to your 2-channel preamp.  Now you're not using the passthrough at all for music--just using the 2-channel pre as in a dedicated hifi. 

I hope this is all making sense--it is a bit confusing at first but if you saw my rig you'd go "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  I get it!"

HTH