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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: Swampy on August 02, 2003, 06:50:14 PM
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So, Tim recomended that I try the Healy technique, (http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/streicher-healy.html) from what I understand, you would set this up like your ears, correct? 2 omnis, 180 degrees (so a strait line), aligned horizontaly with the stage. Do I understand this correctly? THANKS!
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True, thanks for answering in both threads, ye wise microphone man!
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yep!
You have to consdier that your ears are baffled by your head. There is no baffle in the Healy technique.
Moke, how much different is that than hrtf?
BTW, this technique makes listening to the recording on headphones eargasmic!
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I personally don't care for the cross channel bleed that occurs when you get omni's too close together.
I do like the sound of a baffle between the mics. It really helps clean up the boomyness in bass freq's often associated with omnis. And the soundfield is very accurately represented in the recording.
Of course, once again, this is all dependant on each listeners sound preference.
Hope this helps Schwilly!
mike, I think I got it.
the baffling is wicked awesome \m/
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I like them :) makes more sense
I use SCST anyway but it's good/fun to learn setups for different polars
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Don't use the Healy indoors. Tried it once and it made one of the worst recordings I've heard. The cards x/y on the same stand blew the omnis away (same mics, different pattern).
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Craig, although using omnis indoors is always risky unless you are in a great sounding venue or are wayyyy up front, you need to make sure the omnis you are using are true omnis. If you are using multi-capsule LD mics on the omni setting you are not getting a true omni pattern, on or off axis; in the case of the healy these are a requirement to achieve the goals off the config.
peace, chris
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"these" meaning true omni's or ld's?
I've run it a few times.. it sounds nice. I really enjoy omni's and this technique does not (to me) beat some of the nice 3-6 foot omni split tapes I've heard. It is however a nice technique when split omni's are just not an option (see Bonner Springs Phish)...
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I was thinking of running My AK40 caps in a hat with this setup. The ORTF bar fits perfectly into the bill of a hat. The bar is backwards, but with the hat worn backwards, it would essentially be this setup. Anyone tried this before? The mics will basically be ORTF with my head in between them...the angle will keep the mics pointing away from my head. Didn't know there was a name for this (HRTF)...I was going to call it a quasi binaural ORTF cardiod chap style :yahoo: ..hehe.
Would be cool if this works as they fit perfectly into the hat this way.
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Craig, although using omnis indoors is always risky unless you are in a great sounding venue or are wayyyy up front, you need to make sure the omnis you are using are true omnis. If you are using multi-capsule LD mics on the omni setting you are not getting a true omni pattern, on or off axis; in the case of the healy these are a requirement to achieve the goals off the config.
peace, chris
excellent point.true omni..no venting ports and spheric as possible.
kind of like the sanken mic.
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I was thinking of running My AK40 caps in a hat with this setup. The ORTF bar fits perfectly into the bill of a hat. The bar is backwards, but with the hat worn backwards, it would essentially be this setup. Anyone tried this before? The mics will basically be ORTF with my head in between them...the angle will keep the mics pointing away from my head. Didn't know there was a name for this (HRTF)...I was going to call it a quasi binaural ORTF cardiod chap style :yahoo: ..hehe.
Would be cool if this works as they fit perfectly into the hat this way.
hmm, I run my cardiods (AT831s) like that diagram, except pointed more straight forward. Best way is to play!
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I ran then this manner (HRTF) for Powerman 5000 the other day. Seems to have sorked out well. Just didn't knowif my head being in the middle would be too much baffling. I need to try it out a couple more time to be totally confident with it...but it is very comfortable in the hat running it in this manner.
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armen did manson last night
AT831>BB95>D8
caps in the croakie, croakie on the glasses, glasses on top of the head, so not much baffling going on, but he says it's pretty sweet, might have to take a stroll over ;D
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Yeah...i would recommend getting ahold of the Bonner Springs Phish show this summer with my source and Tim's source. We were on the same stand etc...
Get out a nice set of B&W's and go to town. They will rock your world! 8) IMO...my Healy omni tapes from Bonner are nicer than my split omni's from Utah.
Dave
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Craig, although using omnis indoors is always risky unless you are in a great sounding venue or are wayyyy up front, you need to make sure the omnis you are using are true omnis. If you are using multi-capsule LD mics on the omni setting you are not getting a true omni pattern, on or off axis; in the case of the healy these are a requirement to achieve the goals off the config.
peace, chris
How far from stage lip would you say is too far away to try Healy technique?
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I personally don't care for the cross channel bleed that occurs when you get omni's too close together.
How close is too close ?
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yep!
You have to consdier that your ears are baffled by your head. There is no baffle in the Healy technique.
Moke, how much different is that than hrtf?
BTW, this technique makes listening to the recording on headphones eargasmic!
eargasmic, i love it.. +T's