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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: bbernardini on March 16, 2008, 01:11:52 PM
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Anybody done recordings of these? I'm trying to determine the best "set it and leave it" level for an R-09. I know these can be tricky with dialogue and music levels being different. If it helps, I'm in the center on the floor. Theoretically. :)
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FWIW, if you did not already know this, recording Broadway shows (openly at least), is forbidden. To the best of my knowledge it is against union or association rules. I think there is a stiff fine if you are caught recording a Broadway show.
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FWIW, if you did not already know this, recording Broadway shows (openly at least), is forbidden. To the best of my knowledge it is against union or association rules. I think there is a stiff fine if you are caught recording a Broadway show.
Can you provide concrete references to this claim (of a fine)? I was not aware of this. I thought the worst thing was getting thrown out of the venue.
Richard
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SP-CMC-19 and SP battery box. The no-frills one.
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Thanks! Very useful info. And a good tongue twister for tapers, as well: "Clip the clapping." Say that 5 times fast. :)
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I believe that in New York State, illegal taping can result in having your recording equipment confiscated by the theater. Or at least that's what they claim in the printed programs for Broadway shows and the like.
If someone can tell me how to find out for certain whether this authority has ever been used or not, I'd be glad to research it further.
--best regards
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buy the cast record LOL
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I believe that in New York State, illegal taping can result in having your recording equipment confiscated by the theater. Or at least that's what they claim in the printed programs for Broadway shows and the like.
If someone can tell me how to find out for certain whether this authority has ever been used or not, I'd be glad to research it further.
Whether it's been used and whether it's legal are two different things altogether. New York state law states that recording ANY performance without permission is illegal. If you're caught, they can ask for your gear for the remainder of the show (and must provide a receipt, and are responsible for any damage). If you refuse to surrender your gear, you have to leave, BUT they have to refund your ticket price. That's the only state I'm aware of that has that last clause.
See the archive thread here http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,23206.msg290392.html#msg290392
and the full law here: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c7/a30.html
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Here is a musical I mixed and recorded wearing a pair of my mics. I was about 100' back from the stage.
http://www.freedrive.com/file/246289
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I've found that the Original Cast Recording is often different from the actual show. They change things up. Drop/Add songs. Cast members change, etc.
I wanted to record Annie Get Your Gun a few years back when it was playing. I had back stage passes, so I decided it might cause some trouble if I got caught. Decided to stick with the OCR. It's not the same though.
I say go for it. I doubt many people at a Broadway show will even notice you checking levels.
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FWIW, at the last two Spamalot shows i've seen in the last year and a half (London and Dallas) I noticed people in the wings with cameras similar to movie theaters looking out at the crowd. Don't know if they were looking for video tapers or audio tapers but they were definitely there. Enough that I noticed them. A friend who's wife works for the the organization here that brings n the productions said that it was common practice for all shows at least here locally. Apparently Mamma Mia was the worst about looking for people video/audio/still photo.
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greenone, many thanks for the reply. Glad to move that one out of the urban myth column and into the reality check column.
--best regards
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I was with the guys from Shubert ticketing today for lunch = telecharge. They said they would confiscate the deck guaranteed.
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I was with the guys from Shubert ticketing today for lunch = telecharge. They said they would confiscate the deck guaranteed.
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Sounds like thats illegal according to NY State law. Of course that doesn't always stop them.
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I was with the guys from Shubert ticketing today for lunch = telecharge. They said they would confiscate the deck guaranteed.
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Sounds like thats illegal according to NY State law. Of course that doesn't always stop them.
Of course not...if they ask for it and you're dumb enough give it to them, I wouldn't count on seeing it again.
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Here is a musical I mixed and recorded wearing a pair of my mics. I was about 100' back from the stage.
http://www.freedrive.com/file/246289
Chris, what do you recommend in terms of settings/preamp, etc., for recording musicals? Preamp would be necessary for the quieter scenes (e.g. dialogue, quiet numbers, etc.)? Or just plug the mics into the mic input instead of line in? Any info would be great as I'm thinking about trying this out sometime.
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Along with NY state law, unauthorized recordings or photos are also against the union rules that most actors are part of.
I just searched for specific language about it, but couldn't find anything beyond a general "We maintain strict phohibitions regarding the broadcasting, filming, or taping of..."
http://www.actorsequity.org/newsmedia/filmtaping.asp
Speaking of musicals, anyone seen Passing Strange? It's the most non-traditional musical on Broadway probably ever. HIGHLY recommended. The folks who wrote it are great musicians...check it out:
http://www.passingstrangeonbroadway.com
Sorry to get off topic a little, but these folks are friends of mine...
:)
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Here is a musical I mixed and recorded wearing a pair of my mics. I was about 100' back from the stage.
http://www.freedrive.com/file/246289
Chris, what do you recommend in terms of settings/preamp, etc., for recording musicals? Preamp would be necessary for the quieter scenes (e.g. dialogue, quiet numbers, etc.)? Or just plug the mics into the mic input instead of line in? Any info would be great as I'm thinking about trying this out sometime.
The bottom line is this.. Your not going to get perfect levels on the fly... So you must get the best levels you can and split the "Scenes" up into tracks so you can fix them with normalization later on. Its very very difficult to get good levels with my recording I was mixing the show.. So I was about 10 feet back behind the audience under a balcony. It was easy for me to get a level that worked because I did not have clapping right beside me to deal with.
Its not an easy task.
One thing is for sure NEVER ever share your recording with anyone. I think its ok to do a recording for your self. But not for sharing.. Some of the cast of the play I was mixing ask for a recording.. Or I never would have done it. So I really did the recording for them.