Become a Site Supporter and Never see Ads again!

Author Topic: Schoeps Double Mid-Side  (Read 2463 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline rigpimp

  • Trade Count: (14)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
  • Gender: Male
  • Jarts don't kill people!
Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« on: November 12, 2022, 01:07:32 AM »
After almost 10 years of recording mid-side I finally figured I had waited long enough to dabble in double mid-side technique and SRS designed this for me tonight.  I have the Schoeps Double Mid-Side plugin and now I need a show to try it at.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/46Q32S224/dms-schoeps-actives-v3

Mics: Schoeps MK 5 MP, Schoeps MK 8 MP, Schoeps MK 41 MP, KCY 250/5 > PFA
Pre/A>D/P48: Sonosax SX/M2, Sonosax SX/M2-LS, E.A.A. PSP-2, Baby Nbox, Neumann BS48i-2 (for sale)
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre-6ii, Sony PCM-A10
Playback: Jolida 1501 Hybrid > McIntosh MX 130 > Von Schweikert VR-4 JR, or Little Dot MK III > Sennheiser HD700
http://archive.org/bookmarks/kskreider
https://www.concertarchives.org/kskreider
https://archive.org/details/thespps

Offline aaronji

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 3881
Re: Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2022, 11:42:49 AM »
Nice! I look forward to hearing some recordings with this setup!

Offline capnhook

  • All your llamas are belong to us....
  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (20)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 4849
  • All your llamas are belong to us....
Re: Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2022, 01:01:16 PM »
Fun new toy for the toybox, great design.  :cheers: Have fun, make great tapes, kK

ps: working up that BWAFish you sent, on the bench this week.  Want to get more song titles right..
Proud member of the reality-based community

BSCS-L->JB-mod [NAK CM-300 (CP-3) and/or (CP-1)]->LSD2->CA CAFS-Omni->Sony ECM-907**Apogee MiniMe Rev. C->CA Ugly II->**Edirol OCM R-44->Tascam DR-22WL->Sony TCD-D8


"Don't ever take an all or nothing attitude when it comes to making a difference
and being beautiful and making the world a beautiful place through your actions.
Every little bit is registered.  Every little bit.  So be as beautiful as you can as often as you can"

"It'll never be over, 'till we learn."
 
"My dream is to get a bus and get the band and just go coast to coast. Just about everything else except music, is anti-musical.  That's it.  Music's the thing." - Jeb Puryear

Offline rigpimp

  • Trade Count: (14)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
  • Gender: Male
  • Jarts don't kill people!
Re: Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2022, 03:46:30 PM »
Nice! I look forward to hearing some recordings with this setup!

I thank Scott he drew it up but I am the happy recipient.  I am really looking forward to tweaking the stereo images with the plugin!  My only concern will be how much drag there may be on one side of the mount.  Hopefully, it is nothing that a velcro tie or two can't fix.

Fun new toy for the toybox, great design.  :cheers: Have fun, make great tapes, kK

ps: working up that BWAFish you sent, on the bench this week.  Want to get more song titles right..


Thanks Kev!  No rush on the BWAF as you can see how long that kind of thing sat.  LOL   :guitarist:
Mics: Schoeps MK 5 MP, Schoeps MK 8 MP, Schoeps MK 41 MP, KCY 250/5 > PFA
Pre/A>D/P48: Sonosax SX/M2, Sonosax SX/M2-LS, E.A.A. PSP-2, Baby Nbox, Neumann BS48i-2 (for sale)
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre-6ii, Sony PCM-A10
Playback: Jolida 1501 Hybrid > McIntosh MX 130 > Von Schweikert VR-4 JR, or Little Dot MK III > Sennheiser HD700
http://archive.org/bookmarks/kskreider
https://www.concertarchives.org/kskreider
https://archive.org/details/thespps

Offline DSatz

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (35)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 3349
  • Gender: Male
Re: Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2022, 08:20:16 PM »
Hi. There seems to be a misunderstanding about how to align the three capsules. Their diaphragms need to share a single, vertical center line among all three of them. In the photos, the bottom capsule is too far toward the back of the setup.

The four parallel sets of slits in the capsule housings of the MK 4 or MK 41 are some distance behind the diaphragm. They're inlets to the "delay line" that feeds the back of the diaphragm, so that rear-incident sound will arrive on both sides of the diaphragm simultaneously, thus canceling out. Let me see if I can mark up a photograph or drawing to show you ... OK, this definitely isn't perfect, but it's closer. It should also reduce the interference caused by having the base of the "hoop" be directly in front of the rear-facing capsule:
« Last Edit: November 12, 2022, 08:31:52 PM by DSatz »
music > microphones > a recorder of some sort

Offline heathen

  • Trade Count: (23)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3529
Re: Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2022, 09:38:29 AM »
Are you going to use a blimp for wind protection?
Mics: AT4050ST | AT4031 | AT853 (C/SC) | Line Audio CM3 | Sennheiser e614 | Sennheiser MKE2 | DPA 4061 Pre: CA9200 Decks: Zoom F8 | Roland R-05

Offline rigpimp

  • Trade Count: (14)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
  • Gender: Male
  • Jarts don't kill people!
Re: Schoeps Double Mid-Side
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2022, 06:04:36 PM »
Hi. There seems to be a misunderstanding about how to align the three capsules. Their diaphragms need to share a single, vertical center line among all three of them. In the photos, the bottom capsule is too far toward the back of the setup.

The four parallel sets of slits in the capsule housings of the MK 4 or MK 41 are some distance behind the diaphragm. They're inlets to the "delay line" that feeds the back of the diaphragm, so that rear-incident sound will arrive on both sides of the diaphragm simultaneously, thus canceling out. Let me see if I can mark up a photograph or drawing to show you ... OK, this definitely isn't perfect, but it's closer. It should also reduce the interference caused by having the base of the "hoop" be directly in front of the rear-facing capsule:

Heck yes, that is the kind of post I needed to keep from wasting my time on misaligned mics.  Thank you, David!  I truly appreciate you seeing this post and chiming in!  I got the change into Scott and hopefully, my original order cancellation got to Shapeways in time. 

Are you going to use a blimp for wind protection?

I really only record mid-side indoors so probably not.  If I was going the blimp route I probably would have just but a mount/blimp kit.
Mics: Schoeps MK 5 MP, Schoeps MK 8 MP, Schoeps MK 41 MP, KCY 250/5 > PFA
Pre/A>D/P48: Sonosax SX/M2, Sonosax SX/M2-LS, E.A.A. PSP-2, Baby Nbox, Neumann BS48i-2 (for sale)
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre-6ii, Sony PCM-A10
Playback: Jolida 1501 Hybrid > McIntosh MX 130 > Von Schweikert VR-4 JR, or Little Dot MK III > Sennheiser HD700
http://archive.org/bookmarks/kskreider
https://www.concertarchives.org/kskreider
https://archive.org/details/thespps

 

RSS | Mobile
Page created in 0.055 seconds with 32 queries.
© 2002-2024 Taperssection.com
Powered by SMF