Topic: DEAL on audiogon

[Frank M]

Bi-wire will never work because of the distance between the posts.  Unless...that is something that changed from GEN I to GEN II.

What do you mean, Nick?  My VR-4's (Gen. I) are bi-wired.

Frank, are yours bi-wired with a double run of cable?  I think Nick is right that your average bi-wire cable with both runs in a single sheath only give you about 12" of play at the end.

Ahhh, now I see.  I have two separate runs of cable from different manufacturers. 

[Nick's Picks]

Bi-wire will never work because of the distance between the posts.  Unless...that is something that changed from GEN I to GEN II.

What do you mean, Nick?  My VR-4's (Gen. I) are bi-wired.

you must have some long ass bi-wires.  I couldn't find any.
I have custom cable, and the jumpers are made from the same stock.

[MattD]

Frank, I was under the impression that you were bi-amped (tube highs and solid state lows), not just bi-wired. Maybe that'd clear up some of the confusion.

[Nick's Picks]

Frank, I was under the impression that you were bi-amped (tube highs and solid state lows), not just bi-wired. Maybe that'd clear up some of the confusion.

I think this is the ultimate way to run them.
I'd love to do this as well.  Maybe next time.

Well Craig...your pumped for sure.   Even cooler that you are familiar w/their sound.  Although, i'm surprised you found a 30wpc tube amp sufficiant.  I tried the 50wpc Stingray and it couldn't cut the mustard.  Its all about the room...and your volume/impact tastes I suppose.

Frank...
I didn't read all the way through before responding.  When will I learn?
So you've got a double wire setup.  That works.  The next set of wires I'm gong to try and hard connect the jumpers to the end of the speaker wires before clamping on the spade.  That way it will be one connection intead of the dual system I use now w/spades and banannas up top and spade below.

[Frank M]

Frank, I was under the impression that you were bi-amped (tube highs and solid state lows), not just bi-wired. Maybe that'd clear up some of the confusion.

You're right, I did... but my GTA SE-40 is sitting dormant right now because of a blown rectifier, so I have the Parasound running in a bi-wired config.

[BobW]

Frank, I was under the impression that you were bi-amped (tube highs and solid state lows), not just bi-wired. Maybe that'd clear up some of the confusion.

You actually are splitting the tweeter and woofer wires at the speakers and reconnecting them together at the amp ?
Why ?
Inductive circuit is then added to the speaker.
Long Wire = LC circuit.  This is the argument against bi-wiring.
The (presumed) benefit of biamping and frequency split before the cable run is supposed to be a greater benefit than the "cost" of adding the wire's reactance.
Is the amp doing "bass management" and providing the split for you with high and low freq-outs ? That would make sense.

I'm just starting to get back into playback and alot has changed.
I won't even tell you that back in the sixties I sold off a pair of old Scott monos as inefficient and troublesome "boat anchors" when I went SS.   Uh, I guess I said it..... 
We used to scoff at bi-amping for home systems as well. Overkill, like feeding a big McIntosh into JBL horns.
Well, like I said, alot has changed.

Anyone using a low-power SE amp ? We used to think these as "cheapish" compared to the P-P powerhouses.
Now, I'm looking at a circuit for one and rechecking my speaker efficiency to deceide if it'd be worth building.
Full circle.

[scervin]

These are not internally connected, they are two sep cabinets.  Signal has to get to the woofer module somehow. 

[BobW]

These are not internally connected, they are two sep cabinets.  Signal has to get to the woofer module somehow. 

Ah, yes, the modular Von Schweikerts....
What does the frequency split to each driver ?
Is it at the amp or at the speaker ?

[Nick in Edinboro]

These are not internally connected, they are two sep cabinets. Signal has to get to the woofer module somehow.

Ah, yes, the modular Von Schweikerts....
What does the frequency split to each driver ?
Is it at the amp or at the speaker ?

I'd take a shot that the frequency is controlled by crossovers built directly in the cabinets.. That's how most all speakers work I think... 

[BobW]

These are not internally connected, they are two sep cabinets. Signal has to get to the woofer module somehow.

Ah, yes, the modular Von Schweikerts....
What does the frequency split to each driver ?
Is it at the amp or at the speaker ?

I'd take a shot that the frequency is controlled by crossovers built directly in the cabinets.. That's how most all speakers work I think... 

Then biwiring from amp to speaker could be a mistake. Cable runs are LCR(reactive) circuits.
I guess it best to go with manufacturer's recommendations.
If no method is suggested, then I would wire straight out and split at the speaker.

Bi-Amping implies a frequency split at the line level before the multiple output amps.

[Craig T]

I picked up the VR4II's yesterday.  They are absolute MINT - what a score.  Unfortunately I don't have the proper speaker cables, so they will sit in their boxes for probably the next week.  I post some pics once they're set up.

[Tim]

congratulations craig!

[Frank M]

I picked up the VR4II's yesterday.  They are absolute MINT - what a score.  Unfortunately I don't have the proper speaker cables, so they will sit in their boxes for probably the next week.  I post some pics once they're set up.

Welcome to the club.

(BTW, there's a new rib joint at 14th and Locust... and it's GOOD.)

[MattD]

What's it called? I have a friend who lives 2 blocks from there.

[Frank M]

What's it called? I have a friend who lives 2 blocks from there.

"The Smoked Joint"  It's in the Academy House.

Naturally there isn't much barbecue in Philly, so I hope this place does well.


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