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Re: Acoustic Recording Techniques
« Reply #120 on: May 06, 2025, 03:19:21 PM »
I put a couple of samples up here if anyone is interested.

https://samply.app/p/FqcMuOjiLELXeu9AHMPo

Looking forward to listening, but right now it looks like the player is set to private  :)

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Re: Acoustic Recording Techniques
« Reply #121 on: May 06, 2025, 03:29:48 PM »
Should be fixed. My bad, technology is not a personal strength.  ::)

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Re: Acoustic Recording Techniques
« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2025, 03:54:55 PM »
^ Taping might help you with that (to some extent, at least)! Lots of software, hardware, and technical stuff to ponder...

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Re: Acoustic Recording Techniques
« Reply #123 on: May 06, 2025, 04:51:31 PM »
Nice! Will give a listen later.

In general, to tame DPA 4060s when necessary try a parametric EQ centered around 12kHz with Q and cut adjusted to suit.  That tends to correct for the peak in response without throwing as much of a blanket over everything. Might need to do that in combination with a shelf filter further adjusting general treble response.  Other thing you can do is to use them without any grid installed in situations where you think they might sound bright.

I suspect you probably don't need the omnis in the mix, but you never know for sure until afterward, and having them there makes for a good for comparison.   Setup like that with the same spacing as the CMC112 pair, the 4060's look to be nicely protected, and it provides a good opportunity to compare those two pairs in isolation, as well as compare X/Y center + omnis against X/Y center + CMC122 pair.

Ordinarily if I were intending to use the omnis in the mix with the other two other pairs I'd either space the omnis considerably farther apart - say 60" or so, which helps when sources are widely distributed across the stage or moving around like the trumpet - or I'd tape them to the vertical surface just under the stage-lip facing out at the audience so that they stage lip acts as a baffle between them and the sound coming from on stage. The second option provides a greater degree of mixdown control over direct/reverberant balance and some control over the band/audience balance, due to the directional mics above the lip providing maximal pickup of the band and reduced pickup of the audience and room, while the omnis under the lip do the opposite.  Also, when used that way under the lip the omnis don't need to be spaced as far apart as they do when up on stage with the other mics.
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Re: Acoustic Recording Techniques
« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2025, 05:30:27 PM »
^ Taping might help you with that (to some extent, at least)! Lots of software, hardware, and technical stuff to ponder...

One can only hope. :) But seriously, I'm pretty good with hardware, it's apps I tend to need to spend more time learning.

Nice! Will give a listen later.

In general, to tame DPA 4060s when necessary try a parametric EQ centered around 12kHz with Q and cut adjusted to suit.  That tends to correct for the peak in response without throwing as much of a blanket over everything. Might need to do that in combination with a shelf filter further adjusting general treble response.  Other thing you can do is to use them without any grid installed in situations where you think they might sound bright.

I suspect you probably don't need the omnis in the mix, but you never know for sure until afterward, and having them there makes for a good for comparison.   Setup like that with the same spacing as the CMC112 pair, the 4060's look to be nicely protected, and it provides a good opportunity to compare those two pairs in isolation, as well as compare X/Y center + omnis against X/Y center + CMC122 pair.

Ordinarily if I were intending to use the omnis in the mix with the other two other pairs I'd either space the omnis considerably farther apart - say 60" or so, which helps when sources are widely distributed across the stage or moving around like the trumpet - or I'd tape them to the vertical surface just under the stage-lip facing out at the audience so that they stage lip acts as a baffle between them and the sound coming from on stage. The second option provides a greater degree of mixdown control over direct/reverberant balance and some control over the band/audience balance, due to the directional mics above the lip providing maximal pickup of the band and reduced pickup of the audience and room, while the omnis under the lip do the opposite.  Also, when used that way under the lip the omnis don't need to be spaced as far apart as they do when up on stage with the other mics.

Thank you for the tips, I will investigate the EQ suggestions. It's the next frontier of learning for me.

The reason the DPAs were located directly under the other mics was protection. The pic doesn't show it but there were chairs in the audience all the way up to the right side of the mic bar and I had to move the chairs on the left side so the band could load around it. This place holds like 30 people and that was pretty much the full footprint I could afford and I still worried every time someone went on or off stage.

I did, in fact, listen to the all the pair individually and tried a mix with the DPAs and the centre pair and one with all 3. The DPAs had the horns more prominent in the mix and I may go back and re-EQ the DPA pair and try that again both alone and with the MK22s. Between the difficult treble and what I assume are phase issues, the 22/41 pair won but only after listening to each mix on multiple systems. The treble issue is funny because I didn't notice it on the bass tilted headphones I used to mix and they sound great on a bluetooth speaker but the second I played it on something with more treble it made me fill slightly ill and I abandoned that pair from the mix for now.

Thanks again to everyone for the help, I'm super happy with how this turned out in what I consider to be a somewhat challenging environment.

 

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