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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #360 on: February 20, 2013, 06:04:50 AM »
Hi,

I currently record using a Sony HImd recorder and although I have had no issues with it at all, the price of the discs has obviously gone through the roof, so think it's time to change to a new recorder.

The two I have been looking at is the Sony PCM10 and the Roland R05. There is no real difference in price between the two, both seem to have very good reviews, so my question is, should I stick with Sony or is the Roland the way to go? Or are they very similar?

I would not be using the internal mics.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #361 on: February 20, 2013, 06:56:29 AM »
the m10 is inexpensive, easy to use, and literally runs forever on two batteries.

It also sounds good (though see dsatz's disturbing post above on running 24bit)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #362 on: February 20, 2013, 01:42:38 PM »
the m10 is inexpensive, easy to use, and literally runs forever on two batteries.

It also sounds good (though see dsatz's disturbing post above on running 24bit)

It would be very interesting if he was able to comp the R05 and see if it does or does not do a true 24bit as well.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #363 on: February 22, 2013, 03:13:47 PM »
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I ran out of patience and ordered a black one from Guitar Center last night. I did get 15% off, but GC applies state sales tax, so the $219 sale price ended up at $235.  At least I now have one on order and won't miss another opportunity for some low profile recording.
You'll love it, Dean. I got a black one on eBay for $190. It's a solid little deck - much better than the plasticy R-09 I replaced.  Put a screen protector on it right when you get it.
BTW, I saw you uploaded the TR3 show on archive - I haven't been able to listen to it yet, though. Can't wait to hear it.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #364 on: February 23, 2013, 12:16:13 PM »
You'll love it, Dean. I got a black one on eBay for $190. It's a solid little deck - much better than the plasticy R-09 I replaced.  Put a screen protector on it right when you get it.
BTW, I saw you uploaded the TR3 show on archive - I haven't been able to listen to it yet, though. Can't wait to hear it.

The M10 is amazingly small!  I can't wait to get the mics and pre here so I can get out and use this thing.  This little gem does feel very solid and I still can't get over how small it is. lol

The TR3 show was fun.  I think the board feed needs tweaked down some, especially in the beginning.  I still have a long way to go with learning post processing. :) 
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #365 on: February 23, 2013, 02:45:04 PM »
"I can't wait to get the mics and pre here so I can get out and use this thing."

Why wait? Do a show with the built-ins. :)

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #366 on: February 23, 2013, 04:05:08 PM »
I just got a 64GB micro SD card and cannot wait to see this thing work.  I love not having to delete stuff right away....
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #367 on: February 23, 2013, 05:36:59 PM »
I just got a 64GB micro SD card and cannot wait to see this thing work.  I love not having to delete stuff right away....

Let us know if the 64GB card works out. I have been under the impression it handles up to 16GB only, if memory serves (which it often doesn't  :facepalm:)...

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #368 on: February 23, 2013, 06:34:35 PM »
32 gig cards will work with the M10

I just got a 64GB micro SD card and cannot wait to see this thing work.  I love not having to delete stuff right away....

Let us know if the 64GB card works out. I have been under the impression it handles up to 16GB only, if memory serves (which it often doesn't  :facepalm:)...
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #369 on: February 23, 2013, 06:35:29 PM »
Why wait? Do a show with the built-ins. :)

Great point!  ;D 

I just got a 64GB micro SD card and cannot wait to see this thing work.  I love not having to delete stuff right away....

Let us know if the 64GB card works out. I have been under the impression it handles up to 16GB only, if memory serves (which it often doesn't  :facepalm:)...

I was reading this post by Mike Davis over the Card Summary which he linked a write up about reformatting the 64GB cards on Windows platforms.  Looks like a great work around to maximize the card capacity.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #370 on: February 23, 2013, 06:45:24 PM »
I just got a 64GB micro SD card and cannot wait to see this thing work.  I love not having to delete stuff right away....

Let us know if the 64GB card works out. I have been under the impression it handles up to 16GB only, if memory serves (which it often doesn't  :facepalm:)...

There is a thread here somewhere, if not deeper in this one, where the 64GB Sandisk cards worked when formatted a certain way.  I will see if I can dig it up.

Linky: http://www.head-fi.org/t/456327/sony-pcm-m10-as-portable-player/120#post_8727898
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #371 on: February 23, 2013, 09:57:49 PM »
I just got a 64GB micro SD card and cannot wait to see this thing work.  I love not having to delete stuff right away....

Let us know if the 64GB card works out. I have been under the impression it handles up to 16GB only, if memory serves (which it often doesn't  :facepalm:)...

There is a thread here somewhere, if not deeper in this one, where the 64GB Sandisk cards worked when formatted a certain way.  I will see if I can dig it up.

Linky: http://www.head-fi.org/t/456327/sony-pcm-m10-as-portable-player/120#post_8727898

Good to know. Might have to grab one for multi-day festival season.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #372 on: February 23, 2013, 10:59:03 PM »
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I don't get a clear impression that it's worthwhile to record 24-bit with this recorder, even though it supports the format.
I'm unaware of any tests on any small recorder which make a persuasive case for using 24 bits to demonstrably reduce noise under real-world conditions.  For me, 24 bits is a safety net if you set the record level too low by accident, or if you want to be quite sure you don't get digital overloads on unexpected peaks and for that reason record low.

Meanwhile, I've been using a pair of Roland binaural in-ears with my M10 - whose internal mics I am famous for hating, but I don't always want to be walking round clutching an external mic - the stereo imaging on speakers, as well as on headphones, compared to the internals, is staggeringly better. 

I do think that the impression given by many users of the technique that binaural sound isn't good on speakers is incorrect.  Maybe on headphones you get the best results, but speaker replay is still impressive.    Listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVf2sku8_W0 from about the 4 minute point.  For me, on speakers, that plane goes by overhead, and is not on the same vertical plane as the waves.  (Note however that I tend to listen to speakers a bit too close so they are at a wider than normal angle to my head).

Anyway, my M10 is now likely to get some renewed use.  I'm hoping to get an opportunity to record a bit of live music with the binaurals before long.  Meanwhile I'm having fun recording trains and supermarkets.  With the former, I've made a point of recording a test not with the train doing the usual thing of passing from one side to another (yawn), but I stood facing along the line of the track so it came from behind and disappeared in front.  Left/right any reasonable stereo mic can do, front / back requires binaural.

The biggest problem with using in-ear binaural mics is forcing yourself to keep your head pointing in a consistent direction, so that the stereo image doesn't whirl around on replay.  A surprisingly un-natural thing to do (especially when watching tennis from the side!).

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
« Reply #373 on: February 24, 2013, 09:16:58 AM »
I've been using a 32GB Lexar Class 10 MicroSDHC card since last spring without a hiccup.  Windows has no issues reading the card and the M10 has no issues with the card, ever.

I'm sure a 64GB card should work fine.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 6)
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