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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #270 on: May 24, 2011, 10:41:13 AM »
Ok, so I thought my first project with the 680 was flawless from last Friday (Warren @ Orpheum Boston).  Ran 4 channels 3 & 4 direct and dig in via the V3.  Great recording until I got around to mixing down and processing the 2nd set this past weekend and realized a segment of the file toward the end (approx 12 minutes) has intermittent clipping.  But then the final 5 minutes of the encore is fine.  I have narrowed it down to the direct source (ch 3 & 4) as only that source and the mixdown have the problem but the stereo channels/tracks are fine.  As such I figure it must be the 3 & 4 pres or maybe the card.  I was careful with the card purchase and bought one of the 32 gig sanctioned cards from the tascam list and formatted prior to use so leaning away from that being the issue.  Also I was using a dvd 9 v battery that had plenty of power remaining at the end.  Any ideas what it might be would be appreciated.  Next up is Mtn Jam on 6/4 so it will get a good work out and I will be sure to monitor and troubleshoot starting with trying channels 1 & 2 for the direct source.  Again, glad I bought the B & H extended plan, but hopefully won't need it. . .         
Ran the 680 3 times this past week.

1) First time was running 680 with channels 1,2,3,4 from a Naint Big Box and V3 with 2 sets of DPA mics. No problems all files came out. Recording sounded really good and no clipping on 680.

2) Second time running 680 was with 6 channels 1,2,3,4,5,6. Channels 1-4 for 2 sets of mics (front of lip) and channels 5-6 for SBD patch. Channel 1 was overloading ONLY at end of show for about 15 minutes. Almost like levels double and clipping happens all the time on 680. I did not notice the V3 having problems. In wavelab listend to channel 1 and clipping sounded like constant digi-noise.
 
3) Third time running  680 was with 6 channels 1,2,3,4,5,6. Channels 1-4 for 2 sets of mics (front of lip) and channels 5-6 for SBD patch. This time it was Channel 3 was overloading for most of the show. Did notice this time big jumps in the V3 that I never noticed before. Was recording with first 2 greens lights on v3 and occasionally hitting 3rd green light then all of a sudden it just jumped into the first red light and occasionally the second red light. Like a 10 - 20 DB gain or more.  None of the other channels showed this behavior. When listening in wavelab channel three sounded like complete garbage no music at all just digi-noise during the times it clips. First 5 minutes sounded fine thou with channel 3.

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The above never happens with the Big box only with v3. I believe during the 3rd night I switched the mics from the second night so it would make sense that channel 1 and 3 problems experienced above are probably the same mic. Think the first night the music was not that loud and mics might just not had enough SPL to clip V3/mics/680 pres. The second and third nights the music was very loud on stage with front of lip recording.

Was not really sure what was happening? 
(Still not sure if its the my mics, cables, V3 or 680?)

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Cables: Most brand new from tgladis
V3 I bought new about 2 years ago.
Card is kingston 32GB class4 (also have 2 16 GB kingston Class 4 cards)
Batteries for 680 is a tekkon with extended battery pack and is set to 12 volts.
Batteries: V3 is set to 6 volt and runs off a single tekkeon
(I live in boulder and had grace change the V3 from 12 volt to 6 volt due to it was really hot in a fanny pack during recording, so he said at the time since my other recorder was not 12 volt to change it to 6 for the heat issue)

Any comments on my comment or the above comment would be appreciated.

Thanks.


« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 11:16:57 AM by phil_er_up »
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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #271 on: May 24, 2011, 11:00:51 AM »
This is just opinion, but I think it might be the battery. I know a lot of people use the dvd batteries and they power the decks and all, but they're designed to work on 12V and people are running them on a 9V. I use a 12V and have never had this issue. I have had my deck modded though, so the different op-amps may play into it also.
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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #272 on: May 25, 2011, 10:12:06 PM »
Thanks guys for input/recent experiences.  Looks like maybe a 12v battery option should be the next troubleshoot option.

Myco, what is the specific brand/model you are using.  (I think I have a multiple voltage laptop battery someplace I used for laptop field recording until a couple of years ago.

Thanks again.  I'll see how it goes at Mtn Jam next week.   
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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #273 on: May 26, 2011, 07:45:29 AM »
Thanks guys for input/recent experiences.  Looks like maybe a 12v battery option should be the next troubleshoot option.

Myco, what is the specific brand/model you are using.   (I think I have a multiple voltage laptop battery someplace I used for laptop field recording until a couple of years ago.

Thanks again.  I'll see how it goes at Mtn Jam next week.

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #274 on: June 02, 2011, 11:47:34 PM »
I want to record 8 channels at 24/96. Which card will I need? Reasonable options from a b&h search are:

Lexar

Transcend

Sandisk says 15 mb/s but is listed as class 4... something doesn't add up here.

Sandisk extreme Expensive

I'm a Sandisk diehard and really don't trust transcend. I've heard ok things about Lexar, but am still leery.

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #275 on: June 03, 2011, 12:36:04 AM »
I use Kingston 6; Polaroid/PNY 4; Adata 10; Patriot 6; Patriot LX 10 ; Centon 6, cards all with no problems all 16GB
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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #276 on: June 03, 2011, 03:06:18 AM »
I have never used a 680, but I have used Ri-Data 32gb/8gb CF Cards, and 16gb A-Data Class 6 MicroSDHC Cards, and have never had a problem [kocks on wood] :P ;D
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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #277 on: June 03, 2011, 10:07:36 AM »
All Lexar cards here (cause of a local sale), no problems.

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« Reply #278 on: June 04, 2011, 12:02:00 PM »
I love to run matrixes... It is what I do better than 90% of the time.  Last night I'm recording a blues man (Louisiana Red) in my favorite club. (Rhythm Room)  So channels 1 and 2 are split (8') omnis at the stage lip between the monitors and PA. I split the board signal between channels 3 and 4... channel 5 is an aux out of the board with straight vocals. Channel 3 is normal and I set the trim to get a decent level... on channel 4 I turn the limiter on and set the gain as high as it will go. I had wondered if the limiter was robust enough to handle this and it is... I just  turned down this channel into the mix and it worked like a champ .  on the fly New York Compression in Phoenix...  Right now I'm mixing the 5 channels (and the mix)   God I love this machine.

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #279 on: June 04, 2011, 03:46:59 PM »
Good to hear the limiters are decent, hadn't tried 'em. 
Diggin' that cool extra track trick too.
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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #280 on: June 04, 2011, 03:59:23 PM »
Yep now I'm gonna try slamming the limiters myself.  That trick could make for a whole new approach with the 680 ;D

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #281 on: June 04, 2011, 04:13:23 PM »
So back to my memory card question... who's done a full 8 channels of 24/96 and what brand/speed card would be needed?

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #282 on: June 16, 2011, 12:00:20 AM »
been lurking on the 680 threads for a while now, and even posted some comments.
I've seen some battery solutions
I may join the team this summer...
but need to know about external battery options that won't break the bank.
saw some Li-Ion batts like this on ebay- yea or neigh?
http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-9800mAH-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-CCTV-Camera-/260756895091?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb6527573
http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-DC-9000mAh-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-CCTV-cam-/150572284101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230eceb8c5
seem to remember that: tangtang1628  is a reputable seller?

also on SDHC cards any issues with the Transcend cards? class 6 or 10?
I usually get Transcend's never have had issues with them.

thanx

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #283 on: June 16, 2011, 12:24:12 AM »
been lurking on the 680 threads for a while now, and even posted some comments.
I've seen some battery solutions
I may join the team this summer...
but need to know about external battery options that won't break the bank.
saw some Li-Ion batts like this on ebay- yea or neigh?
http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-9800mAH-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-CCTV-Camera-/260756895091?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb6527573
http://cgi.ebay.com/12V-DC-9000mAh-Rechargeable-Li-ion-Battery-CCTV-cam-/150572284101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230eceb8c5
seem to remember that: tangtang1628  is a reputable seller?

also on SDHC cards any issues with the Transcend cards? class 6 or 10?
I usually get Transcend's never have had issues with them.

thanx

--Ian

Hey Ian,

Like many of us, you'll probably really like the DR680. 

I purchased a battery from the ebay vendor you listed (TangTang1628), but it wasn't either of the ones you mentioned, so I can't fairly comment on how they work with the dr680.  However, the transaction I had was very smooth and the follow up communication with them about how to properly charge the battery was quick and friendly. 

I'm using a Transcend 16gb class 6 card and have had zero trouble with it, so far.  I usually record 6 tracks at 24/48.

Good luck with your dr680 aquisition.

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Re: TASCAM DR-680 portable 8-track #3
« Reply #284 on: June 16, 2011, 02:40:14 PM »
Hey Ian!  I do have one of the Tang Tang batteries but I got it for the USB power option.  Two things I have seen/heard about the battery.  One I read on TS somewhere that if the battery was too close to gear that it picked up noise?? maybe from the regulator in it?/ I can't say that I've heard or experienced that.  Second.  Jeff's buddy Bruce has a screen shot os battery noise. BUT he claims he has it with no mics connected AND the noise is below the self noise of mics.  Now I am far from an expert but from what I understand is that taking readings of electrical signal(noise) without a circuit being loaded (having mics) is not an accurate representation.  It's akin to turning your deck on cranking the gain and then saying you hear a noise.   The other thing is I have run my 680 since they first came out with the 9 volt DVD batteries and have not had any issues at all.  Tascam list it as needing 12 volts but I suspect is has a range of voltages that it can work under.  I have even run batteries then AC power and cannot hear or see any differences.  As for cards.  all you need is a good class 4 but if you look at my post above you'll see I run class 4, 6 & 10 cards.  I have even used a cheap card all have functioned well.   It's too bad you are not still living closer you could borrow the deck and try it out.  Hit me up if you got any questions

 

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