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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2010, 11:35:44 PM »
To me, it looks like they took the best of the R09 and the R09HR and created the the R05.  The top of the R05, specifically the mics & inputs,  looks eerily similar to the R09. 

That said, it also claims to have the same IARC technology and 24/96 recording ability of the HR.  Soooo......
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2010, 12:41:19 AM »
It's on the Roland USA web site too
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=1077

Looks to me like the R-09HR will continue in the Roland catalog as the "pro" audio recorder, price $275, and the R-05 will be the tool for musicians, price about $200.  The internals of the R-05 have to be different than the R-09HR to make the battery last so much longer.

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2010, 02:04:37 AM »
I may holdout for the r-11!   Only improvements in sound quality when run as an a/d behind a good pre-amp will get me to upgrade.   None of those other features matter enough to bother.

I agree with the comment that the internals must be different to explain the longer battery life..  Unless it is a built-in lithium.  I sure hope it isn't a built-in battery.  The way they phrase the battery life seems to suggest it may be:

"over 16 hours of recording time per charge"

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2010, 08:36:30 AM »
You can see in the video from cnet:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20001106-1.html

That it uses two AA batteries and not a built in one.

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2010, 09:54:19 AM »
I bet the 16 hours is based on mp3 recordings.   ;) 

As far as batteries, I have the Tascam DR-1 , which has a removable lithium.  After 2 years, the battery is still holding on.  I can still record a 3 1/2 hour show with no problems.  And I tape regularly.  A question for the R09 and HR folks:  how many rechargeables have you gone through in the last 2 years?   

I'm gonna give the R05 a shot.  I like the layout better than the HR.  Its a perfect competitor to the DR-2d.  Might grab one of each and do a comp.     

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2010, 09:58:33 AM »
I have three small decks. Might have to add this one to the family.  :P
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2010, 10:15:11 AM »
From the Roland Website, taken from the specs of R-05 anf R09HR:

R 09HR Nominal Input Level
Variable
Mic input: -33 dBu (Default input level)
Line input: 2 dBu (Default input level)

R-05
Mic input: -33 dBu (MIC GAIN is H, Default input level)
Mic input: -15 dBu (MIC GAIN is L, Default input level)
Line input: -7 dBu (Default input level)

Being the mic input equal, it seems that the R-09hr can accept a hotter signal...

as for the impedance:

R09HR
Mic input: 30 k ohms
Line input: 15 k ohms

R-05
Mic input (MIC GAIN is H): 7k ohms
Mic input (MIC GAIN is L): 5k ohms
Line input: 8 k ohms

This I don't konw which difference it may bring.
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 10:23:08 AM »
I have three small decks. Might have to add this one to the family.  :P

You are a whore!!!  I wanna see it when you get it.  I like my R09HR too much right now for another upgade.

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 10:43:32 AM »
I bet the 16 hours is based on mp3 recordings.   ;) 

As far as batteries, I have the Tascam DR-1 , which has a removable lithium.  After 2 years, the battery is still holding on.  I can still record a 3 1/2 hour show with no problems.  And I tape regularly.  A question for the R09 and HR folks:  how many rechargeables have you gone through in the last 2 years?   

I'm gonna give the R05 a shot.  I like the layout better than the HR.  Its a perfect competitor to the DR-2d.  Might grab one of each and do a comp.     

I imagine battery time is mp3 recording as well.

Well I have about 8 rechargeable batteries so its hard to track the exact same ones I use with the hr09 but I have not had to throw any of them away. I carry two extra rechargeables and two standard alakine in my bag just in case. One time the deck did power off but I only missed a small amount of time (5 minutes or so). When I go home and the batteries are low, I just throw on the charger before I go to bed and they are charged by late AM.
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 10:52:39 AM »
For comparison purposes

Edirol R09
Mic input: -33 dBu (Default input level)
Line input: 0 dBu (Default input level)

Edirol R09HR
Mic input: -33 dBu (Default input level)
Line input: 2 dBu (Default input level)

Roland R-05
Mic input: -33 dBu (MIC GAIN is H, Default input level)
Mic input: -15 dBu (MIC GAIN is L, Default input level)
Line input: -7 dBu (Default input level)

Tascam DR-1
Mic input:  -64 dBV (GAIN set to HIGH)
Mic input: -48 dBV (GAIN set to LOW)
Line input: -10 dBV (Default input level)

Tascam DR-2d
Mic input:  -64 dBV (GAIN set to HIGH)
Mic input: -48 dBV (GAIN set to LOW)
Line input: -10 dBV (Default input level)



IMPEDANCE:

Edirol R09
Mic input: 20 k ohms
Line input: 17 k ohms

Edirol R09HR
Mic input: 30 k ohms
Line input: 15 k ohms

Roland R-05
Mic input (MIC GAIN is H): 7k ohms
Mic input (MIC GAIN is L): 5k ohms
Line input: 8 k ohms


Tascam DR-1
Mic Input: 30 kΩ
Line input: 23 kΩ

Tascam DR-2d
Mic Input: 25 k
Line input: 22 k
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2010, 11:03:15 AM »
A question for the R09 and HR folks:  how many rechargeables have you gone through in the last 2 years?   

Are you asking if R09 users are discarding rechargeables? If they are that's pretty silly of them. I recently got a LaCrosse BC-9009 charger to refresh the same set of AA's that I've been using for about 4 years. They are now as good as new!

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2010, 03:19:48 PM »
A question for the R09 and HR folks:  how many rechargeables have you gone through in the last 2 years?   

Are you asking if R09 users are discarding rechargeables? If they are that's pretty silly of them. I recently got a LaCrosse BC-9009 charger to refresh the same set of AA's that I've been using for about 4 years. They are now as good as new!

Same here with my Powerex AA's. A few of them appeared to only take a 3/4 charge recently, so I discharged them completely and ran them through the "Break in" mode on my charger and now they are as good as new again.
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2010, 03:39:20 PM »
Awesome.  Thanks guys.  Wasn't sure how long the AA rechargeables last.  So more than 2 years , with the same set, with a regular taping schedule, sound right? 

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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2010, 10:42:14 AM »
Awesome.  Thanks guys.  Wasn't sure how long the AA rechargeables last.  So more than 2 years , with the same set, with a regular taping schedule, sound right?

NiMH batteries should retain more than 80% of their stated capacity for more than 500 charge/discharge cycles.  So unless you really need every last drop of your battery's capacity, you should easily be able to last 2 years.  Probably easily 5-6 years of use, unless you're Z-man. ;) 

Even retaining 90% of the rated capacity should allow about 250 charge cycles, which would cover me for 5 years.
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Re: Roland R-05 (announced at Musikmesse)
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2010, 10:56:13 AM »
Doing a bit of digging around, it seems that if you use fast charging technology instead of slow charge technology, cycle life might be more like 150 cycles, not 500.  I'm not sure if fast charge means 15 min - 1 hr charging or if it means 2-4 hour charging vs a slow charge of 8-12 hrs.

So depending on how you charge, 2 yr life might be about right.  What do I know, I change around my equipment far more often than every two years, so I've never been able to test whether batteries last longer than that. :P
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