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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2022, 09:55:06 AM »
I don't usually run hypers outdoors, but use them for indoor shows.  Thanks for the feed back.  David looks like you have enough hyper caps you could sell me those 4018's  ;D

Anyone running a set of the 4018's??  There are a few shows on LMA, but wanted some user opinions.  I'm planning on grabbing a set with indoor taping around the corner.

I've run my 4018's a few times, but mainly due to Covid I really don't have a large sample size.  I think that I've only run them indoors once.  My overall impression is that they're great mics, as you would expect.  What I really need to do is to run them head to head with Gefell 210's, Schoeps 41V's and Milab VM-44-Link supercards.
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2022, 07:35:12 AM »
Have a pair of 4018 and really like them. Have run them indoor and outdoors. Usually use them for indoor venues that don't sound great. Have more high end and less bass then 4011. Seem clearer to me and I run them with the "C pre-amps". Haven't tried them with the ER pre-amps yet.

Outside show - mix 90% 4018 10% 401X.
https://archive.org/details/CSF2022-08-05

Inside show - Mix 90% 4018 10% 401X.
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2022, 09:11:35 AM »
I don't usually run hypers outdoors, but use them for indoor shows.  Thanks for the feed back.  David looks like you have enough hyper caps you could sell me those 4018's  ;D

Anyone running a set of the 4018's??  There are a few shows on LMA, but wanted some user opinions.  I'm planning on grabbing a set with indoor taping around the corner.

I've run my 4018's a few times, but mainly due to Covid I really don't have a large sample size.  I think that I've only run them indoors once.  My overall impression is that they're great mics, as you would expect.  What I really need to do is to run them head to head with Gefell 210's, Schoeps 41V's and Milab VM-44-Link supercards.

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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2022, 09:40:12 AM »
Has anyone run the 4018VL caps for section style taping?  Given how much cheaper they are, I'm tempted.  I rarely tape back there, but it's a good tool for the arsenal if they work well.
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2022, 12:29:46 PM »
Supposedly the only difference is sensitivity.  There is a sample of UM on LMA with the 4018vl cap and 4018 of the same show. 

Has anyone run the 4018VL caps for section style taping?  Given how much cheaper they are, I'm tempted.  I rarely tape back there, but it's a good tool for the arsenal if they work well.
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2022, 04:07:44 PM »
I don't have any particular information about DPA microphones but in general, whenever there's a difference in sensitivity between two related types where the acoustical design is the same, be sure to look for possible effects on maximum sound pressure level and/or inherent noise level. Those parameters are nearly always interrelated.

Increased sensitivity without a corresponding increase in the maximum output voltage, for example, implies a lower maximum SPL; reduced sensitivity, on the other hand, generally (though not always) implies a higher equivalent noise level.

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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2022, 04:22:29 PM »
Thankfully, being dpa those specs are still pretty respectable
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2022, 04:58:07 PM »
Supposedly the only difference is sensitivity.  There is a sample of UM on LMA with the 4018vl cap and 4018 of the same show. 

It looks like the VL has quite different frequency response as well and that is measured at a closer distance than the regular 4018. I would guess that, at the same distance, the VL would have even more pronounced roll-off compared to the regular version. No experience with either, though...

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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #68 on: October 05, 2022, 05:11:37 PM »
it’s measured at the distance a singer would use it, so proximity effect is present. That’s why I am looking for real world comparisons.  I’ll be looking for the referenced comparison recordings mentioned above.
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2022, 05:25:31 PM »
The VL version of the 4018 capsule is less sensitive, and therefore likely to have somewhat higher self-noise, yet I don't expect that will a problem for most concert tapers here.  I say that because I use DPA 4098H miniature hyper/supercards without any apparent self-noise problem, which I'm certain have a higher self-noise than the 4018VL.

We discussed and speculated on the differences between 4018 and 4018VL back in 2019 in this thread, beginning with this post by Jerryfreak- https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=164474.msg2292820#msg2292820  That included some discussion/analysis of response curves including proximity response effect, complicated by different measurement differences being used between the various capsules (appropriate to the different target applications, yet makes it harder to compare them on an objective basis).  After all that JF did some testing and subsequently edited a few of those posts.  Seems he concluded that the primary difference in the capsule itself was the reduced sensitivity, and low frequency filtering circuitry present in the vocal amplifier handle, which would not be in circuit when the capsule is used with an alternate amplifier.  I don't recall a definite conclusion on other response differences.

Quoted from the DPA d:facto vocal microphone system user manual- "Please note that all electric and acoustic specifications apply to the wired DPA Handle unless otherwise stated. The DPA Handle is designed with a permanent 3rd order low-cut filter (-3 dB at 80 Hz) to remove unwanted handling, pop and wind noise."

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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2022, 03:38:59 PM »
Okay, so I lied it was the 4018V, but similar cap!  I believe the 4018VL has a more similar response to the 4018.  I'm no expert.  Here are the links

https://archive.org/details/um2019-07-06.4018V

https://archive.org/details/um2019-07-06.4018
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2022, 10:45:27 PM »
i just realized I started this thread 9 years ago

i finally picked up a pair of 4018 caps last year. I've only run them 2 or 3 times, but really like them so far

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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #72 on: October 07, 2022, 07:31:12 AM »
Recently grabbed a set of 4018's!  I'll break them in at Billy Strings Halloween run. 

i just realized I started this thread 9 years ago

i finally picked up a pair of 4018 caps last year. I've only run them 2 or 3 times, but really like them so far
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Re: new DPA 4018 supercardioid
« Reply #73 on: October 07, 2022, 11:37:10 AM »
Recently grabbed a set or 4018's!  I'll break them in at Billy Strings Halloween run. 

i just realized I started this thread 9 years ago

i finally picked up a pair of 4018 caps last year. I've only run them 2 or 3 times, but really like them so far

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