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Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« on: December 17, 2021, 10:02:02 PM »
So Neumann finally comes out with a electret condenser microphone. Wonder if it'll suitable for stealth mic use?

https://www.soundonsound.com/news/miniature-instrument-mics-neumann
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2021, 10:21:47 PM »
Interested in seeing the frequency response graph.
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2021, 07:17:58 AM »
OMG I WANT TWO OF THEM.
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2021, 08:30:29 AM »
from that page:

On its own, a KK 14 capsule is set to cost €279, but Neumann are also introducing a large range of attachment and connection options, the latter including mini-XLR, 3.5mm jack, Lemo and MicroDot connectors, and the former comprising nine mounts for various instruments including brass, strings, piano and percussion. Complete sets comprising a capsule, a gooseneck, cables, an XLR adaptor, an instrument mount and a windshield are priced at €629.
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2021, 03:34:32 PM »
Looks nice, hope it can handle high rockconcert db's...

Found this on: https://www.thomann.de/gr/neumann_mcm_kk_14.htm

"Neumann MCM KK 14; capsule head of the Miniature Clip Microphone System MCM; electret technology; polar pattern: cardioid; max. SPL: 152 dB; native interfaces to most transmitter bodypacks (3.5 mm jack / MicroDot / Lemo / 4-pin mini-XLR); titanium housing"
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2021, 05:18:28 PM »
Interesting it's numbered 14; related to sennheiser ke14 (Ambeo)?

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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2021, 11:54:48 AM »
Me too!  These look pretty sweet. I wonder when U.S. vendors will have them.

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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2021, 06:20:34 PM »
Interesting they can terminated to microdot. I wonder if the DPA MMA-A can power them?
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2022, 04:47:11 PM »
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2022, 10:04:20 PM »
B&H has them up for pre-order, but the listing is light on specs.  The B&H summary mentions a 12mm diaphragm, while the article linked above mentions  something about 8mm.  The DPA 4006 etc. caps are about 18mm in diameter and can be powered by an MMA-A and DPA active cables.  It's not yet clear how much smaller the Neumann kk14 will be, nor what voltage will be needed for them.

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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2022, 10:59:54 PM »
Thanks for the link and frequency graph. These things look like the roll off A LOT of bass.
some pics on Instagram and this article

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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2022, 02:03:54 AM »
That rolloff is typical of directional microphones designed for placement close to their sound sources. I don't know about this particular graph, but over the decades, Neumann has typically shown on-axis response at the equivalent of a 1-meter pickup distance. Other manufacturers (e.g. DPA and Audio-Technica) may use shorter measurement distances (30 or even 15 cm), where proximity effect boosts the bass significantly. When picking up more ordinary-distance sound sources you won't get that boost, of course. Thus the rolloff shown in Neumann's graph may well be a true indication of what you'd actually pick up in the kind of recording that most people here mostly do.

Often we as consumers don't know how the manufacturer's curves were obtained. Even if we did have that information, how does one convert a 15- or 30-cm curve into a 1-meter curve? It's an industry-wide problem, but the manufacturers don't seem interested in solving it.

The best that we on the consumer side can do is, when a manufacturer says that their microphone was designed mainly for a certain type of use, understand that a microphone can't be equally good for other situations that have very different technical requirements.

WiFiJeff, the article seems to say that smaller diameters such as 8 mm were considered, but 12 mm was ultimately chosen. That dimension normally refers to the active area of the diaphragm (i.e. the part of the Mylar that gold is evaporated onto) rather than its entire physical size. 12 mm is only slightly smaller than average as the diameter of the active area for small-diaphragm condenser microphones.

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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2022, 12:43:45 PM »
I wonder if the cable will be easily able to be separated from the gooseneck. I don't see any pictures of the mics without.

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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2022, 03:35:45 PM »
Looks like you buy the caps and then the goose neck or a cable system for p48 adapters or minixlr's

I wonder if the cable will be easily able to be separated from the gooseneck. I don't see any pictures of the mics without.
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Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2022, 03:24:23 AM »
Has anyone tried this one yet? any more info on of it is useful to us?
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