Become a Site Supporter and Never see Ads again!

Author Topic: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System  (Read 5579 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

mountainhop

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2022, 05:27:08 PM »
holy moly these are tiny tiny. same size as the mics on my pcm-a10. MK4 for reference



now to attempt to measure those threads

Offline jbell

  • TDS
  • Trade Count: (146)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 4437
  • Gender: Male
  • Spreadicated
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2022, 06:10:52 PM »
Have you had a chance to use them at a show?
Mics: DPA ST4011ER & 4018ER 500 | AKG ck61 & ck63> Nbob actives
Preamps: DPA mma 6000
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre-10 II | Sony PCM A10

-22        -12         -6        TDS   (32/48)     
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]][}   
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]][} 
__________________________
|Record|  Runtime: 4:19.99  {|||] 75%

mountainhop

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2022, 06:27:26 PM »
Have you had a chance to use them at a show?
they literally arrived an hour ago. havent even figured out how i am going to mount and connect to them. leery to spend an additional $400 on the goosenecks to cut up

Offline Popmarter

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 680
  • Gender: Male
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2022, 12:15:46 AM »
cool, please more pics and whats up with the goosenecks?
Recorders: SD MixPre 3 II; Sony A10; Edirol R44; Sony M10; Sony WM-D6; Edirol R-09HR; iRiver IHP-120; Sharp MD-MT20; Sharp MD-MT190
Microphones: Nevaton MC59/S (cards); Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 7.4mod (cards); AT831 (cards); Nakamichi CM300 (all CP's); Soundman OKM II Rock Studios
Preamps: Beyerdynamic MV100; JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b; Naiant IPA; Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

Offline Popmarter

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 680
  • Gender: Male
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2022, 02:17:55 AM »
is there a way to strip the cable out of the gooseneck and use it as a regular cable with XLR?
Recorders: SD MixPre 3 II; Sony A10; Edirol R44; Sony M10; Sony WM-D6; Edirol R-09HR; iRiver IHP-120; Sharp MD-MT20; Sharp MD-MT190
Microphones: Nevaton MC59/S (cards); Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 7.4mod (cards); AT831 (cards); Nakamichi CM300 (all CP's); Soundman OKM II Rock Studios
Preamps: Beyerdynamic MV100; JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b; Naiant IPA; Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

mountainhop

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2022, 03:26:00 AM »
cool, please more pics...
here ya go. i think i got the threads sized but not 100%. need to bug my machinist buddy, the plug and ring gauges to measure those threads arent cheap

note how it is similar size to a TBxM mini xlr



can you imagine a pen-sized body with a TB3M mini-xlr in the back? would be the size of one of those keychain maglights and useful for open taping

« Last Edit: October 04, 2022, 03:27:32 AM by mountainhop »

mountainhop

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2022, 03:41:21 AM »
...and whats up with the goosenecks?

is there a way to strip the cable out of the gooseneck and use it as a regular cable with XLR?

whats up with the goosenecks is they are really expensive for what they do. not only are they $199 a pop they come with a proprietary coax connector which necessitates another cable. $39 for AC31 locking minijack, $99 for AC32 lemo, $89 for AC33 microdot,  $69 for AC34 4pin mini XLR

to get them to XLR/phantom you need the $109 MCM100 output stage which is similar to the DPA DAD6001 except it is locking minijack instead of microdot. i imagine the standard dpa (or chinese knockoffs) would work with the neumann microdot cables

but using factory components with no hacks, per channel, after $299 for the capsule, you're looking at $350 for the rest ($199 gooseneck+ $39 AC31 + $109 phantom adapter)

im going to grab a gooseneck and an AC31 for testing purposes and will eat restock on them. i need to put a meter to the gooseneck and make sure it is passive. its tiny and i suppose there could be an FET in there but not sure. Apart from that i know the voltage requirements from the specs and will try the various 2-wire interfaces i have. once i know i can power the cap its just a matter of machining male ends that are cheaper and smaller than the goosenecks. i need to source a 1mm spring pin contact like the goosenecks use
« Last Edit: October 04, 2022, 03:51:27 AM by mountainhop »

Offline DavidPuddy

  • Trade Count: (15)
  • Taperssection All-Star
  • ****
  • Posts: 1557
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2022, 11:04:05 AM »
^Watching this with interest. Thanks for the pictures

Offline Popmarter

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 680
  • Gender: Male
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2022, 01:15:03 PM »
...and whats up with the goosenecks?

is there a way to strip the cable out of the gooseneck and use it as a regular cable with XLR?

whats up with the goosenecks is they are really expensive for what they do. not only are they $199 a pop they come with a proprietary coax connector which necessitates another cable. $39 for AC31 locking minijack, $99 for AC32 lemo, $89 for AC33 microdot,  $69 for AC34 4pin mini XLR

to get them to XLR/phantom you need the $109 MCM100 output stage which is similar to the DPA DAD6001 except it is locking minijack instead of microdot. i imagine the standard dpa (or chinese knockoffs) would work with the neumann microdot cables

but using factory components with no hacks, per channel, after $299 for the capsule, you're looking at $350 for the rest ($199 gooseneck+ $39 AC31 + $109 phantom adapter)

im going to grab a gooseneck and an AC31 for testing purposes and will eat restock on them. i need to put a meter to the gooseneck and make sure it is passive. its tiny and i suppose there could be an FET in there but not sure. Apart from that i know the voltage requirements from the specs and will try the various 2-wire interfaces i have. once i know i can power the cap its just a matter of machining male ends that are cheaper and smaller than the goosenecks. i need to source a 1mm spring pin contact like the goosenecks use

Thanks, which you all the best figuring this out. Following this close.  8)
Recorders: SD MixPre 3 II; Sony A10; Edirol R44; Sony M10; Sony WM-D6; Edirol R-09HR; iRiver IHP-120; Sharp MD-MT20; Sharp MD-MT190
Microphones: Nevaton MC59/S (cards); Milab VM-44 Links (cards), AT853 7.4mod (cards); AT831 (cards); Nakamichi CM300 (all CP's); Soundman OKM II Rock Studios
Preamps: Beyerdynamic MV100; JK Laboratories DVC-X-17b; Naiant IPA; Nakamichi MX-100 modded for 9v battery use

Offline crunchy

  • Trade Count: (4)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 423
  • Gender: Male
    • My List
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2022, 07:31:37 PM »
^Watching this with interest. Thanks for the pictures

Same, this looks nice.

Offline illconditioned

  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 2975
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2022, 12:37:24 AM »
Wow.  Suddenly a whole new world is opening up ...
Electret capsules should be able to power from a battery box .. or plug in power.

Please DO NOT mail me with tech questions.  I will try to answer in the forums when I get a chance.  Thanks.

Sample recordings at: http://www.soundmann.com.

mountainhop

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2022, 12:51:34 AM »
Wow.  Suddenly a whole new world is opening up ...
Electret capsules should be able to power from a battery box .. or plug in power.

per the limited specs we have they want 5-10V

Maximum SPL   153 dB SPL, with Supply = 10 V, Rfeed = 20 Kilohms, for THD < 0.5%
143 dB SPL, with Supply = 5 V, Rfeed = 8.25 Kilohms, for THD < 0.5%


ill test them with as many devices as i can. looking like a homemade battery box would want the current limiting resistors to be 10-15K ohms for a typical 9V battery

Offline jbell

  • TDS
  • Trade Count: (146)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 4437
  • Gender: Male
  • Spreadicated
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2022, 08:24:00 AM »
It would be cool if the Microdot cables worked with a d vice or mma 6000
Mics: DPA ST4011ER & 4018ER 500 | AKG ck61 & ck63> Nbob actives
Preamps: DPA mma 6000
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre-10 II | Sony PCM A10

-22        -12         -6        TDS   (32/48)     
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]][}   
]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]][} 
__________________________
|Record|  Runtime: 4:19.99  {|||] 75%

mountainhop

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2022, 08:37:02 AM »
It would be cool if the Microdot cables worked with a d vice or mma 6000

yeah it would

will certainly be testing that tomorrow but i have to do it on the bench with a microdot pigtail, alligator clips, and an AC31 cable, as the AC33 microdot cable is not available yet anywhere.

electrically it should be the same. hopefully the KK14 has the right impedance to turn the d:vice on, unlike line-in hacks which need a resistor to fool the d:vice into turning on

Offline goodcooker

  • Trade Count: (41)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *****
  • Posts: 3912
  • Gender: Male
  • goes to 11
Re: Neumann KK 14 Miniature Clip Mic System
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2022, 10:32:28 AM »

I'm very curious about how these will perform at any kind of distance.

The frequency graph https://en-de.neumann.com/kk-14#technical-data shows linear response at 15cm distance down to 20hz but the "farfield" response shows significant roll off starting at 350hz and down to -20dB at 20hz.

This is what you want to limit proximity effect when you are close miking an instrument but not necessarily what you want when you are more than a few feet away from the source.
Line Audio CM3 || ADK A51 type IV
SD MixpreD || Oade Warm Mod UA5
Tascam DR680 || Marantz PMD661 || Korg MR1 (homebrew internal battery mod)

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/goodcooker

"Are you the Zman?" - fan at Panic 10-08-10 Kansas City
"I don't know who left this perfectly good inflatable wook doll here, but if I'm blowing her up, I'm keeping her." -  hoppedup

 

RSS | Mobile
Page created in 0.059 seconds with 37 queries.
© 2002-2022 Taperssection.com
Powered by SMF