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rig question?
« on: July 19, 2003, 07:18:50 PM »
finally narrowed it down to two rigs i like after many patches and downloads but dont quite understand them mabye someone out there can help....
Neumann ak40's>LC3KA>KM100>V3
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Schoeps MK4>KC5>CMC6>V3

ok heres the run down
i understand the caps, mic bodies and preamp but what are the LC3KA and KC5? any info would be great thanks in advance

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Re:rig question?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2003, 09:18:16 PM »
active cables between the caps and mic bodies for a lower profile setup.  LC3KA and KC5 are just the respective model numbers of said cables.
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2003, 10:54:14 AM »
Get the neumann's.  I think they are all around a little easier to use and pull better tapes outdoors.  But then again, this is all just my opinion.  I like them both, so I got what I call the middle of the two with the gefell's.  Now, if I could just get some damned actives...lemosax anyone?

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Re:rig question?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2003, 11:20:00 AM »
Get the neumann's.  I think they are all around a little easier to use and pull better tapes outdoors.  But then again, this is all just my opinion.  I like them both, so I got what I call the middle of the two with the gefell's.  Now, if I could just get some damned actives...lemosax anyone?

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I say go with the schoeps, but than again, that is all I use. D...Neuamann pull better tapes outdoors? please explain.
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2003, 12:30:41 PM »
creek, you know he got ahead of himself and shouldn't have typed 'outdoors' :smash:

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2003, 12:34:21 PM »
Schoeps tapes just always seem a little muddy to me when used outdoors.  Then again, maybe I haven't heard the right ones.  I still might get a pair in the future though.  Kris, do you have some decent outdoor's schoeps posted somewhere I could listen to?

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Re:rig question?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2003, 06:03:35 PM »
I was just curious on why you though that. Everyone's ears hear differently. I have a lot of outdoor stuff, all of my GOTV stuff pretty much is off my rig, many others if you are interested.
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2003, 06:04:04 PM »
creek, you know he got ahead of himself and shouldn't have typed 'outdoors' :smash:



another funny guy :bigsmile:
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2003, 06:14:46 PM »
I love watching the battle for second place ;)
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2003, 06:27:46 PM »
personally I find the battle funny. My ears like schoeps, that all that matters to me. What one person thinks sounds good, others think sound like ass.....we all preceive sound differently....thats why its important to pick what your ears like, not what others ears like ;D
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2003, 06:29:25 PM »
personally I find the battle funny. My ears like schoeps, that all that matters to me. What one person thinks sounds good, others think sound like ass.....we all preceive sound differently....thats why its important to pick what your ears like, not what others ears like ;D
guy what do schopes run for a set of the cheaper ones? I never really looked

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Re:rig question?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2003, 06:33:14 PM »
well, with schoeps there really is nothing that qualifies as "cheaper". Their prices just got hiked new. Used ones are around, they still ain't cheap, pair of cmc6 or cmc5's with mk4's will run you about $2100, a little more with the cmc6 bodies. Used you could probably get a pair for around $1800 if they are in good condition.
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2003, 06:34:02 PM »
cmc6bodiesw/ mk4 (card caps) are 2150 new now, about a year ago, they were only 1845.... ;) 8)
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2003, 06:38:52 PM »
well, with schoeps there really is nothing that qualifies as "cheaper". Their prices just got hiked new. Used ones are around, they still ain't cheap, pair of cmc6 or cmc5's with mk4's will run you about $2100, a little more with the cmc6 bodies. Used you could probably get a pair for around $1800 if they are in good condition.
Thats alot of money... But good mics

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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2003, 07:30:14 PM »
hell a year ago I got a pair of cmc5 and mk41's for $1800, now new they are $2460.......grey market will save you about 10%
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2003, 07:34:32 PM »
hell a year ago I got a pair of cmc5 and mk41's for $1800, now new they are $2460.......grey market will save you about 10%
why the jump in price?

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2003, 08:16:34 PM »
personally I find the battle funny. My ears like schoeps, that all that matters to me. What one person thinks sounds good, others think sound like ass.....we all preceive sound differently....thats why its important to pick what your ears like, not what others ears like ;D

Exactly... I just like to stir the sauce a little between those that take brand loyalty much more seriously than I.  +T for an intelligent assesment, not starting a bitch-fest like the other forum.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2003, 08:30:54 PM »
hell a year ago I got a pair of cmc5 and mk41's for $1800, now new they are $2460.......grey market will save you about 10%
why the jump in price?

Not 100% sure, Nuemann did the same thing....pricing with mics is very strange sometimes, one year schoeps will take 20$ off, then add it back in
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Re:rig question?
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2003, 08:32:34 PM »
personally I find the battle funny. My ears like schoeps, that all that matters to me. What one person thinks sounds good, others think sound like ass.....we all preceive sound differently....thats why its important to pick what your ears like, not what others ears like ;D

Exactly... I just like to stir the sauce a little between those that take brand loyalty much more seriously than I.  +T for an intelligent assesment, not starting a bitch-fest like the other forum.

agreed. I love to watch people talk shit about mics. Most people are never going to change their mind or change someone elses mind, but yet they still argue about it. What some people call muddy, I call warm, and so on. Shit, I see blue, my wife see's purple, individual senses are fascinating, no one sees or hears the same thing.
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2003, 08:51:20 PM »
Well said.  I love the schoeps sound indoors with the super card mk41 caps...they just don't do it for me outside, although I haven't heard them with a v3...that might help what I don't like!  Have a good one kris, and I would love to hear a good outdoor schempz recording.  And FWIW, I have zero brand loyalty...I just go with what I like and can afford!

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2003, 08:56:24 PM »
personally I find the battle funny. My ears like schoeps, that all that matters to me. What one person thinks sounds good, others think sound like ass.....we all preceive sound differently....thats why its important to pick what your ears like, not what others ears like ;D

Exactly... I just like to stir the sauce a little between those that take brand loyalty much more seriously than I.  +T for an intelligent assesment, not starting a bitch-fest like the other forum.

agreed. I love to watch people talk shit about mics. Most people are never going to change their mind or change someone elses mind, but yet they still argue about it. What some people call muddy, I call warm, and so on. Shit, I see blue, my wife see's purple, individual senses are fascinating, no one sees or hears the same thing.

agreed, i love my 184's and i know bro's that would never change from their schemps.  if i move to a LD, i'll move within neumann.  i know what they deliver :headphones: and i love it.  to each his own

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2003, 03:21:20 AM »
+T D for 0% brand loyalty!
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2003, 08:15:05 AM »
personally I find the battle funny. My ears like schoeps, that all that matters to me. What one person thinks sounds good, others think sound like ass.....we all preceive sound differently....thats why its important to pick what your ears like, not what others ears like ;D

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2003, 08:41:46 AM »
+T D for 0% brand loyalty!

Thanks Lee.  I don't play the brand game...talk the shit about how great my mics are and everyone else's suck.  What a crock.  On any given day, different mics will sound better in different places, the one true thing I have discovered about concert recording.  I even heard a c1000 recording a couple years ago that blew away a dpa source from the same show.  That said, I find that I really like what I like, and that many people really like what they like, and in the end game, that is really all that matters.  My strategy for picking mics was to find ones I liked, and then see if monetarily I could make it happen...and i did.  I would have been happy to run schoeps, neumann's, or dpa's...but I found the steal of the century on what I have, and have always liked a lot!

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2003, 08:46:31 AM »
mk41's are hypers, aren't they?
I thought the 21's were the sup-cards.
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2003, 09:03:43 AM »
I believe they describe the 41's as super caridiod (hyper) and the mk21 is a sub cardioid cap.  

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2003, 09:40:22 AM »
>>I even heard a c1000 recording a couple years ago that blew away a dpa source from the same show.  <<

well location is key too :)

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2003, 10:05:14 AM »
>>I even heard a c1000 recording a couple years ago that blew away a dpa source from the same show.  <<

well location is key too :)

Definately!  I think it is probably one of those rare circumstances where the low end rig outperformed the high end rig, but as you said, location can make all the difference in the world!

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2003, 10:12:19 AM »
(i just wanted to argue for arguments sake...hehe)

sure a "low end" rig can sound better than high end, i just have to laugh when people are like "my tape smoked those <insert high end mic here> so my mics are better even though i was FOB and he was in the porta-john in the parking lot!"

hehe.  yes, i'm bored.  
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2003, 10:21:12 AM »
Taping from the portajohn...that is funny.  I have heard several tapes that I thought sounded like they were taped in the bathroom (usually schempz tapes ;D)!  It is rather ammusing when people speak in generalizations about mics, especialy those that have been taping for less than a month.  Plus, I would argue that ones mans smoke is another man's garbage...YMMV (I am bored as hell as well)!  When's lunch already!

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Re:rig question?
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2003, 10:34:18 AM »
I believe they describe the 41's as super caridiod (hyper) and the mk21 is a sub cardioid cap.  

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Correct, the mk41 is a supercardiod that schoeps calls a hypercardiod, their best cap IMO. The mk21 is a subcard, would love to try one out someday.
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2003, 10:35:52 AM »
>>When's lunch already!<<

that's my problem today.   i have a 12-2 meeting.  i hate when i get no lunch break...

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2003, 11:25:44 AM »
Screw that...I get paid lunch breaks!  I am so bored I can hardly stand it.  Let's argue some more Scott!  Your tapes suck ;)

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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2003, 02:06:50 PM »
you suck!

 

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