Topic: phantom power for DPA 4061s?

[bugg100]

Yes, the Niant set works well if you have terminated your 406x's to stereo minijack...  I may have the only set made though.

[acidjack]

The answer is yes.  Don't feed them more than 12v or so.  48v will fry 'em.

I have the "Coresound HEB" version of the 4061s and have obtained a cap for the coresound mini XLR that allows me to run the mics through any battbox via the stereo minijack.

I have a Sound Professionals battery box that provides 12V of plug in power instead of 9V like most of these small battboxes do.  Is it a dumb idea to plug the 4061 into them?  Compared to just obtaining a small/cheap 9V box, frying the 4061s seems like a dumb idea....

[boojum]

The answer is yes.  Don't feed them more than 12v or so.  48v will fry 'em.

I have the "Coresound HEB" version of the 4061s and have obtained a cap for the coresound mini XLR that allows me to run the mics through any battbox via the stereo minijack.

I have a Sound Professionals battery box that provides 12V of plug in power instead of 9V like most of these small battboxes do.  Is it a dumb idea to plug the 4061 into them?  Compared to just obtaining a small/cheap 9V box, frying the 4061s seems like a dumb idea....

Lee (Gutbucket) has all the tech info on this.  IIRC he said DPA sends 8.2 volts to these mics through their XLR connector and does not like to go over 9 volts.  If this is true it would be a very bad idea to send them 12 volts.  I sure would not.

[headroom]

.. and never plug the microphone  without a resistor to the voltage source

[jefflester]

The answer is yes.  Don't feed them more than 12v or so.  48v will fry 'em.

I have the "Coresound HEB" version of the 4061s and have obtained a cap for the coresound mini XLR that allows me to run the mics through any battbox via the stereo minijack.

Where did you get this cap? I've been using HEBs for 12 years going straight to a recorder, but I'm getting a Church CA-UGLY preamp and I was thinking of making just such a cap so I could power the DPAs with that and cut the Core battery box out of the equation.

[jnorman34]

bugg - my 4061s terminate in stereo mini plug.  i got my PFA adapter (stereo mini-jack to XLRs) from jon at naiant, and it supplies 9v to the 4061s.

[listener2]

Hi all, I just ordered a stereo set kit of the DPA 4060 mics.  The picture of the set I ordered shows that they come with the rather big clumsy Microdot to XLR phantom power adapters.  I don't mind having that but I would also be intending to use these mics for stealth style recording where size must be as small and compact as possible.  Therefore I want to be able to screw in the DPA 4060 Microdot connectors into an adapter that will convert the two (stereo pair) of mics into one terminated at a stereo 1/8" mini plug.  So I can then use it with my conventional battery boxes and also directly into my recorders if I want to.  Being new (or soon to own) these DPA 4060 mics, I've only begun searching for info on such adapters and conversions but have not found anyone answering the question satisfactorily!  The closest solution I've found mentioned thus far is to send them in to someone else to have the connectors replaced.  But that is not what I want to do. I want to keep the Microdot plugs on them and still be able to use them with the DPA XLR adapters that come with the stereo kit set.  I can just as well cut off the MicroDot connectors and wire them up to any other "more readily available" connector types I guess, but would rather not.  I will only consider hacking up these expensive mic cables as a last resort.
I cannot believe for as long as these mics have been out and so popular, that no one nor no company has even thought to come out with such a simple "two mono Microdot jack connectors feeding into one 1/8" standard stereo mini plug connector"!  Anyone?  Any company?  DPA themselves don't even make one of these adapters as far as I saw searching on the internet!  Why?

[headroom]

Saercin for u find this:
The MPS6010, MPS6020, MPS6030 and MPS6040 are compact and portable, two-channel power supply boxes for use with all DPA Miniature Microphones. The Its
rugged plastic chassis are fitted with a belt clip and a range of output connectors for various uses. The audio signal is routed directly to the output connectors in full bandwidth and full dynamic range. They draw on one 9V battery and have ultra-low power consumption.
Order numbers:
MPS6001 1-channel, 3-pin XLR
MPS6010 2-channel, 3-pin XLR
MPS6020 2-channel, Phono
MPS6030 2-channel, Mini-jack
MPS6040 2-channel, 1/4 in. Jack

[listener2]

Hi Headroom, I am not sure if that reply was addressing my question speocifically but I assume it was.
I looked at the part MPS6030 you listed and it does perform the function of converting two stereo DPA microdot mic connectors to one stereo mini-plug but it is a battery box and it also is rediculously list priced at around $189.  Not exactly what I was looking for although if I got it for real cheap I wouldn't mind! :-)
I make and have my own battery boxes by the way, so don't need to pay almost $200 to get this one.  I just want to get a set or two of the proper DPA Microdot jacks to install into my own battery box at this point in time OR just two MicroDot jacks that I can wire onto a mic cable into a stereo "Y" adapter into a stereo mini-plug... which can then be pluigged into a conventional mini-jack of a conventional battery box.

Thanks!

[dactylus]

Hi Headroom, I am not sure if that reply was addressing my question speocifically but I assume it was.
I looked at the part MPS6030 you listed and it does perform the function of converting two stereo DPA microdot mic connectors to one stereo mini-plug but it is a battery box and it also is rediculously list priced at around $189.  Not exactly what I was looking for although if I got it for real cheap I wouldn't mind! :-)
I make and have my own battery boxes by the way, so don't need to pay almost $200 to get this one.  I just want to get a set or two of the proper DPA Microdot jacks to install into my own battery box at this point in time OR just two MicroDot jacks that I can wire onto a mic cable into a stereo "Y" adapter into a stereo mini-plug... which can then be pluigged into a conventional mini-jack of a conventional battery box.

Thanks!

You can buy the DPA Microdot jacks directly from DPA.

[listener2]

Hi dactylus, thanks.  I did find that info out recently also reading and searching somewhat more extensively through various forums of the past.  I read that DPA sells them for $20 each.  Dang.
They have a lock on these proprietary connectors it seems and it is very hard to source them as a consumer.  Anyway, I plan on calling DPA if they don't reply to my email I left with them yesterday about it. 
Thank You!

[listener2]

Thanks msHilarious! I was wondering all this time if there was some other part number type name that these so called MicroDot connectors were called by!  This info should help.  I did see Tyco connectors webpages show up when searching for keyword "MicroDot" but could never make any sense out of their very poor specifications presentations and they don't show any good photos of the connectors for me to see if I am ordering the right part.

I saw other mentions that it is difficult to install these Microdot connectors because a special tool is required.  I don't know what is up with that!  DPA/Tyco marketing finance wizards must have planned all this out from the start to lock up the market of these type of connectors proprietary to themselves.  Poor business practice for sure.  I found a seller  listing the MicroDot Installation tool part number "DQA0035 Tool for MicroDot".  They want $320 USA dollars for it! Holy smokes!  If I cannot mount and install the DPA connectors I need without this tool, then what's the use of me even to order two MicroDot jacks directly from DPA at about $20 each, plus $320 for the tool... I could just as well damn near buy a whole new set of mics with the mini connectors I need.

Does anyone know if I really need this "DQA0035 Tool for MicroDot" to install two MicroDot jack connectors in a battery box or just making a Stereo "Y" adapter cable out of them?
If I need the tool, then DPA lost my business for this and I will just cut off the Microdot cables and install my own stereo mini-plugs, all for just a few bucks. Holy smokes! right? yes.
What a shame.

Thank You!

[dactylus]

Chris Church of (CA - Church Audio) on this site can install those for you.  Look in the Retail Section.  Chris is located in Canada.  There may be other folks on this site that can install those connectors for you too but I am not aware of them.  Of course DPA could do it for you.

[listener2]

hi, thanks for suggesting alternative means but I'm already aware of those avenues.  I am a DIY at heart and prefer to do it myself either with the right Microdot parts or if I have to, I will remove the microdot connectors and put my own connectors on the mics.  I will then re-use the microdot connectors on another cable that I will add my mating mini-jacks to and have the best of both worlds.  I am in dialog now with DPA themselves and will see what they have to offer.

I don't want to go the Church Audio route as he has a very long and slow turn around and response time.  I actually have a set of Chris' CA-11 mics on order from ebay... still waiting and he seems to get easily annoyed if you ask him about the order.  Not too comfy feeling. So... never mind.  I will wait.  In the meantime my DPA mics will arrive before the Church Audio mics!

I have a JuicedLink CX231 that I can use my DPA 4060 mic with their DPA XLR adapters to feed my non-XLR recorders and I also have the ridiculously expensive Sony XLR-1 phantom power adapter which I bought for my Sony PCM-D50.  I can use the mics with the XLR adapters that come with the DPA stereo kit.  But I just wanted to be able to reduce the size of the rig I would have to carry around for portable recording sessions using smaller less clumsy mini-plug types.  XLR connectors/adapters are too big and bulky for stealth style recording.  I just want to be able to carry say my Edirol R09 and my home made small 9V battery box with mini-jack/plugs and binaural mics.  Worst case, I will have to carry the big XLR adapters and power units with my little recorders when I go portable.

[Gutbucket]

Replacing the two male microdot ends with a single TRS 3.5mm jack or a mini-xlr is easy enough for the DIYer and commonplace around here (although the center conductor is very thin and can be tricky to handle).  I've done that on a pair of 4060s, wiring them to a neutrik RA plug.

If you want to keep the microdot ends, you can have a seller that has the microdot tools make you a 'Y' cable with whatever connector you want at the other end.  I had Len at Coresound build such a 'Y' cable for me to use with a second pair of 4060s that I didn't want to re-terminate since I somethimes use them seperately and with the DPA microdot extention cables.  Took about a week to make.  RA Neutrik 3.5mm stereo plug on one end and two male microdots with female barrel connectors at the other ends (just like the extention cables). Works great.