Topic: powering at943's

[Church-Audio]

I see no problem laughing at phantom adapters or 3-wire setups !

 

never mind. you just don't get  it.............................

I was not making fun of this guy.. AT ALL... relax man.. I think going to a three wire setup because its better then my mod is silly but that's just my opinion.. And we know what we say about opinions right... Its all good no need to blow this up into something its not..

Chris

[Alchemy]

I see no problem laughing at phantom adapters or 3-wire setups !

 

Just before you laugh at various powering set-ups, please make sure you first correctly identify the AT ES943 microphones as lavalier microphones.

[setboy]

I see no problem laughing at phantom adapters or 3-wire setups !

 

never mind. you just don't get  it.............................

I do get it:

I would rather run:
AT933s/4.7k-mod(H/O)>9v Bat Box>AD-20>NJB3

Than:
AT933s(H/O)> jklab modified Samson PM4s>ps2 >AD-20>NJB3


To each their own my freind!

Nope you don't get it.
I'm not talking about one piece of gear VS another. What I am trying to get at is, in stead of saying this
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Not always lol....
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You could add something to the conversion
 beside saying something that could be taken in a lot of different ways.

I was not making fun of this guy.. AT ALL... relax man.. I think going to a three wire setup because its better then my mod is silly but that's just my opinion.. And we know what we say about opinions right... Its all good no need to blow this up into something its not..

Chris

Chris, I like you and your gear sounds damn good for the price, so dont take this the wrong way. But what you posted helps no one.

Oh, and please don't tell me what to do.

[Alchemy]

Chris, no one is comparing mods. Remember, this entire time you were the one going around this forum posting that "your mod" does not work on the AT943 microphones. It is completely ridiculous to suggest that these microphones (of which there are two different types within the 943 series) are "good to go" on two wire powering. There are many times where the 943s have distorted in this set-up. I made the tapes so I know. So as you have told us that your mod does not work with these mics, 3 wire powering is the user's best option.

[Javier Cinakowski]

I see no problem laughing at phantom adapters or 3-wire setups !

 

Just before you laugh at various powering set-ups, please make sure you first correctly identify the AT ES943 microphones as lavalier microphones.

I am no expert, but this is fun discussions with you chaps!

I'll be happy to go into this again:  The 943 was not designed from the ground up as a lav mic...

The AT ES943 is a modification to an exsiting product (ES933).  The 933 was designed as a hanging choir mic.  Because of user demands AT decided to add a lapel clip groove to the 933 in order to be used as a lavalier microphone. This was not the original intent of this produc t line, but is useful in church situations.  A pastor can use his existing capsules for his hanging mics to use as a lavalier. 

A REAL lavalier microphone is designed to work well when mounted directly on a human body.  The 853/933/943 were not designed with this purpose in mind.  They are a distance microphone.  The lapel clip groove was only added as an adaptation of a current product so it could offer customers a more diverse product....

Now that we have crossed that bridge, does anyone need clarification as to why the resistor mods are just as effective as the 3-wire or phantom powering?

The bottom line is, and illconditioned has pointed this out, the AT phantom adapters use a similar resistor as Church does on the 4.7mod.  In either modification the capsules are seeing similar power....

[Javier Cinakowski]

As far as the 943 goes, they might not need the 4.7k, but the lowered sensitivity sends a lower signal to the preamp/recorder, which often overloads too....

Also, if using the 853 capsules with the 943 and adapter ring, the 4.7k does help.  Esspecially when using the microline capsules of either the 943 or 853(uni-line)

[Church-Audio]

As far as the 943 goes, they might not need the 4.7k, but the lowered sensitivity sends a lower signal to the preamp/recorder, which often overloads too....

Also, if using the 853 capsules with the 943 and adapter ring, the 4.7k does help.  Esspecially when using the microline capsules of either the 943 or 853(uni-line)

Yes because in the case of the 943 the distortion is happening in the diaphragm. Not in the fet. When you put on the 853 capsule * this capsule can Handel higher spl's for some reason * the distortion problem is back to the fet..And my mod will improve the max spl of the mics.

[Javier Cinakowski]

As far as the 943 goes, they might not need the 4.7k, but the lowered sensitivity sends a lower signal to the preamp/recorder, which often overloads too....

Also, if using the 853 capsules with the 943 and adapter ring, the 4.7k does help.  Esspecially when using the microline capsules of either the 943 or 853(uni-line)

Yes because in the case of the 943 the distortion is happening in the diaphragm. Not in the fet. When you put on the 853 capsule * this capsule can Handel higher spl's for some reason * the distortion problem is back to the fet..And my mod will improve the max spl of the mics.

that makes sense...

[Church-Audio]

As far as the 943 goes, they might not need the 4.7k, but the lowered sensitivity sends a lower signal to the preamp/recorder, which often overloads too....

Also, if using the 853 capsules with the 943 and adapter ring, the 4.7k does help.  Esspecially when using the microline capsules of either the 943 or 853(uni-line)

Yes because in the case of the 943 the distortion is happening in the diaphragm. Not in the fet. When you put on the 853 capsule * this capsule can Handel higher spl's for some reason * the distortion problem is back to the fet..And my mod will improve the max spl of the mics.

that makes sense...

Hence the reason why they dont need my mod it will not fix the problem with the diaphragm. But if people are using a 853 capsule they should consider doing my mod.

[Alchemy]

I see no problem laughing at phantom adapters or 3-wire setups !

 

Just before you laugh at various powering set-ups, please make sure you first correctly identify the AT ES943 microphones as lavalier microphones.

I am no expert, but this is fun discussions with you chaps!

I'll be happy to go into this again:  The 943 was not designed from the ground up as a lav mic...

The AT ES943 is a modification to an exsiting product (ES933).  The 933 was designed as a hanging choir mic.  Because of user demands AT decided to add a lapel clip groove to the 933 in order to be used as a lavalier microphone. This was not the original intent of this produc t line, but is useful in church situations.  A pastor can use his existing capsules for his hanging mics to use as a lavalier. 

A REAL lavalier microphone is designed to work well when mounted directly on a human body.  The 853/933/943 were not designed with this purpose in mind.  They are a distance microphone.  The lapel clip groove was only added as an adaptation of a current product so it could offer customers a more diverse product....

Now that we have crossed that bridge, does anyone need clarification as to why the resistor mods are just as effective as the 3-wire or phantom powering?

The bottom line is, and illconditioned has pointed this out, the AT phantom adapters use a similar resistor as Church does on the 4.7mod.  In either modification the capsules are seeing similar power....

Why did you post all that info that had nothing to do with what I posted? I am talking only about the AT 943ES microphone. It was only manufactured as a lavalier microphone. That was it's only purpose since the very first day it was "realeased" by AT.

It's right on ATs own website: http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/c008d27ad2e507b1/index.html4

I never said anything about the AT853 or AT933 (which use the AT853 caps).

[Church-Audio]

I see no problem laughing at phantom adapters or 3-wire setups !

 

Just before you laugh at various powering set-ups, please make sure you first correctly identify the AT ES943 microphones as lavalier microphones.

I am no expert, but this is fun discussions with you chaps!

I'll be happy to go into this again:  The 943 was not designed from the ground up as a lav mic...

The AT ES943 is a modification to an exsiting product (ES933).  The 933 was designed as a hanging choir mic.  Because of user demands AT decided to add a lapel clip groove to the 933 in order to be used as a lavalier microphone. This was not the original intent of this produc t line, but is useful in church situations.  A pastor can use his existing capsules for his hanging mics to use as a lavalier. 

A REAL lavalier microphone is designed to work well when mounted directly on a human body.  The 853/933/943 were not designed with this purpose in mind.  They are a distance microphone.  The lapel clip groove was only added as an adaptation of a current product so it could offer customers a more diverse product....

Now that we have crossed that bridge, does anyone need clarification as to why the resistor mods are just as effective as the 3-wire or phantom powering?

The bottom line is, and illconditioned has pointed this out, the AT phantom adapters use a similar resistor as Church does on the 4.7mod.  In either modification the capsules are seeing similar power....

Why did you post all that info that had nothing to do with what I posted? I am talking only about the AT 943ES microphone. It was only manufactured as a lavalier microphone. That was it's only purpose since the very first day it was "realeased" by AT.

It's right on ATs own website: http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/c008d27ad2e507b1/index.html4

I never said anything about the AT853 or AT933 (which use the AT853 caps).

Why cant we all just get along... I think we all know lots about these mics.. I think its better to try and help each other then fight I for one apologize that this conversation got so out of hand.

[Alchemy]

No one is fighting. At least I'm not. I think "translation" gets lost in the internet so that it appears we are getting angry, when really we are just having an "educated argument".

Now, I see you deleted the post, but there was some good info in there Chris! It would make sense for the AT943 on two wire powering to overload the analog gain stage on a preamp but...I know some other tapers have had issues with these mics on two wire powering too. And that was with three seperate recorders: a Edirol R-09, the iRiver H120, and a Sony MZ-RH1 (all 943>9 volt bat box>recorder. So I guess they are all just crap then? I don't know.

Personally, I was under the impression that three wire powering would always be superior to two wire because you are providing a full 4.5 volts across the FET, and avoiding that poor set-up of soldering the FET source to the ground wire.

[nameloc01]

Ughh.                     

[Javier Cinakowski]

Why did you post all that info that had nothing to do with what I posted? I am talking only about the AT 943ES microphone. It was only manufactured as a lavalier microphone. That was it's only purpose since the very first day it was "realeased" by AT.

It's right on ATs own website: http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/c008d27ad2e507b1/index.html4

I never said anything about the AT853 or AT933 (which use the AT853 caps).

I think you need to go back and read my post more carefully.  The 933 has everyhting to do with the 943 and is very realated to your post.  Your link is bunk, but if you do go to the ES943 site is says

"designed for quality sound reinforcement, professional recording, television and other demanding sound pickup applications"   The mention that it is "intended" to be worn on the clothing, but it wasn't designed from the ground up for that purpose...

As I said, the 943 is exaclty the same as the 933, except for the clip groove.  The 933 was not designed as a lav...  That is all I am saying...

[Javier Cinakowski]

I never said anything about the AT853 or AT933 (which use the AT853 caps).

That is no longer true.  The old "933" used the 853 capsules.  The current 933 uses the smaller capsules as well as the 943...