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If your sony pcm-m10 requires clock to be reset each time you power on, what have you done?

Issue went away and clock now functions
6 (24%)
Contacted sony received reply
1 (4%)
contacted sony, no reply
0 (0%)
returned unit and received unit without issue
0 (0%)
other (please specificy)
18 (72%)

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2010, 08:38:44 AM »
Hi there,

I've seen self-noise figures for the PCM-M10 of EIN = -122dB (A weighted), for example at the following:
http://www.theatreofnoise.com/2009/11/choosing-audio-recorder-for-ultimate.html

I'm trying to measure this noise floor myself. Now forgive me if this is a silly question, but whenever I record silence with the mic (e.g. with an external battery mic with the power off, or a stereo cable with nothing connected to the other end) I get a wav file (recording at 24/96) that has a noise level of -93dBFS at best when I process in Audacity using the stats.ny plug in (available here). This best-case scenario occurs when I record at level 0 on mic or line input.

Can anyone tell me whether I could expect better than this? Is this really the EIN of the device at zero gain?
I know that as EIN is the noise floor of the recording + the analog gain of the recording.
So as the gain value increases, the noise floor won't increase as much so the EIN would be better at higher gain values. I was just expecting a better EIN than I'm seeing at lower gain values (e.g zero gain).

Specifically, I was hoping to find that the noise floor of any recorded file, whatever the gain value, to be better than the -93dBFS I'm measuring. Otherwise there would presumably be no point in recording anything at 24-bit resolution as this noise level is already higher than the quantisation noise of 16-bit recording (-96dBFS)

Have I missed something?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #76 on: October 28, 2010, 05:03:15 PM »
Anyone send there M10 back to get the clock issue fixed?  Thinking about picking one up, but the clock issue would bother me. 
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #77 on: October 28, 2010, 05:09:20 PM »
Anyone sent there M10 back to get the clock issue fixed?  Thinking about picking one up, but the clock issue would bother me.

There are a lot of times when I need to make a recording Right Now.  Having to fumble with clock setting BS would be a deal breaker and would result in lost audio.

Have you verified it isn't something as simple as the need to press 'stop' or similar, as someone mentioned above?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #78 on: October 28, 2010, 05:54:04 PM »
Not all PCM-M10 have a clock problem. Mine doesn't. Get one, try it, return it if need be.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #79 on: October 28, 2010, 08:30:54 PM »
Had mine for 2 weeks and no clock issue here,

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #80 on: October 28, 2010, 09:53:15 PM »
Anyone send there M10 back to get the clock issue fixed?  Thinking about picking one up, but the clock issue would bother me.
after having the clock issue for 4 months and not since the past 2
i think people are exiting out without actually saving the time
because as pointed out earlier if the internal battery isn't saving the time, then why is it saving all the other settings??
if it was something actually related tot eh battery not saving the time then it shouldn't save the other settings either
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~~~~CLOCK ISSUE POLL~~~~
« Reply #81 on: October 28, 2010, 09:53:34 PM »
I added a poll to the top of this topic. please vote if your unit has had any issues with the clock resetting every time you power it on.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #82 on: October 28, 2010, 10:17:14 PM »
I added a poll to the top of this topic. please vote if your unit has had any issues with the clock resetting every time you power it on.

that's cool, but the poll really should be perhaps
what percentage of units even have this issue?

maybe this should be another sticky or even thread

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #83 on: October 28, 2010, 10:28:05 PM »
I added a poll to the top of this topic. please vote if your unit has had any issues with the clock resetting every time you power it on.

that's cool, but the poll really should be perhaps
what percentage of units even have this issue?

maybe this should be another sticky or even thread

yeah, it would have to be another poll: who has had the issue / who has not had the issue.

the reason I phrased it for those with the issue is because many, many people continue to ask about it and hopefully we can come to a conclusion that it is a real problem, or if it is an issue with the end user setting the time.

From my memory, I think about a dozen people (maybe less) posted an issue with the clock. Will was one of those people but now he believes it may have been an issue with not saving the clock settings prior to exiting the menu.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #84 on: October 28, 2010, 11:07:44 PM »
go figure
i just checked my clock and it need to reset
now i am lost on my thinking
i went 4 months with a reset issue everytime i turned it on
then 2 months of it working fine
last week i checked it and it was saved, 2 mins ago it needs to be set
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #85 on: October 29, 2010, 08:26:16 AM »
My M10 still records. I'm indifferent on the clock and don't see it as that vital.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #86 on: October 29, 2010, 12:17:55 PM »
I got my M10 case from the Sony Rebate. It is a nice case, better than the camera case that I was using.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2010, 09:59:54 PM »
No clock issue here. I've had mine for 3 months now.
So far, everything works fantastic.

I  was wondering how folks are doing with the 32G cards so far? I've got a few 16G cards and I kinda like the idea of not having more than one days worth of recording on one (just in case I loose it), but it would be cool to have way more space than I really need when the cost of the 32G cards goes down (as long as the upload time to my computer is about the same).

BTW I'm lovin' the Eneloop AA batteries for the M10 and all kinds of other stuff in my house.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2010, 10:07:03 PM »
No clock issue here. I've had mine for 3 months now.
So far, everything works fantastic.

I  was wondering how folks are doing with the 32G cards so far? I've got a few 16G cards and I kinda like the idea of not having more than one days worth of recording on one (just in case I loose it), but it would be cool to have way more space than I really need when the cost of the 32G cards goes down (as long as the upload time to my computer is about the same).

BTW I'm lovin' the Eneloop AA batteries for the M10 and all kinds of other stuff in my house.
i THOUGHT i read 16 was the highest you could use
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 4)
« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2010, 12:43:40 PM »
Just to weigh in.

I bought 3 PCM M10 units for work in the last 30 days. I am a heavy PCM D50 user, but the M10 was fine for work needs.
I bought 1 at Sweetwater and 2 at B&H.

ALL 3  have the clock issue. None will hold the time for longer than a day.
No Tech support seems to be able to figure it out and it looks like all 3 have to go back....

Wish this was an easy fix.

 

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