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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: NOLAfishwater on October 19, 2007, 03:35:38 PM
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figured this was worthy of crossposting. Apparently they have the same look and feel of Schoeps. Rokpunk discovered these beauties at the AES convention.
Available in Card, Hyper, and Omni
(http://www.sennheiser.cz/rf_stuff/inovace_stuff/8000.jpg)
Picture of Card Cap w/ Body
(http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/resources/5ADCD01728823D4DC125735400303D2F/$File/MKH8040_MZX8000_m.jpg)
MKH 8040
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/500966?Open&print= (http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/500966?Open&print=)
General Description
The cardioid MKH 8040 is suitable for almost any application. It considerably reduces pick-up of a reverberant room. This is very helpful in rooms with poor acoustics or when disturbing sounds impinge mainly from the rear.
Features
cardioid pick-up pattern
modular design
wide frequency response 30 to 50.000 Hz
symmetrical transducer with 2 backplates providing extremly low distortion
extremly low inherent self-noise
accurate directional pattern
non reflective Nextel coating
ideal as a spot microphone and for surround recordings
Delivery Includes
Microphone head MKHC 8040
XLR module MZX 8000
Microphone clip MZQ 8000
Windshield MZW 8000
User manual
Aluminium transport case
Stereo pair MSRP is $2300
http://www.audiolines.com/MKH-8040-ST-p-19848.html (http://www.audiolines.com/MKH-8040-ST-p-19848.html)
Any guinee pigs out there?
Active Cables, shockmounts, and clips can be viewed on this link. You have to scroll down.
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/500966?Open&print=# (http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/500966?Open&print=#)
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some discussion here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84083.0.html (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84083.0.html)
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$2300 for just Caps and Bodies? Dam. I wonder how much the active cables are.
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I called the only store that looks like they are offering the body/caps combo and they said they are not getting them until the 2nd week of November and he did not have pricing on the cables.
Here is a link that I found to UK pricing. All prices in Pounds. Coversions below:
http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf/$File/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf (http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf/$File/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf)
Looks like active cables are $400 for a pair and clips are $200 for a pair. Not too bad. So for $2500 you can get a complete set up.
Don't know if those prices are a bit high, b/c when I compared the UK pricing for a matched pair it said $2800 an in the U.S. they are $2300. Guess we will find out in a couple of weeks.
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i have a call in for pricing from my local rep as soon as they are available.
they really did sound nice from the 6 seconds i listened to myself say "check check" in them. :P
i'm not sure how needed the active cables will be for these mics, as they are 'lil guys....about half as long as a 460.
oh yeah, one thing i noticed was that the hypers were a really really tight pattern.
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hmm.. these could have marketed under the neumann name..
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hmm.. these could have marketed under the Neumann name..
No they couldn't - they are symmetrical capsule RF condenser mics and very different from Neumann.
The pdf of the brochure is on the UK site HERE (http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf/$File/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf) which gives a lot more detail.
For an idea of prices - the UK price list is here (http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf/$File/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf).
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hmm.. these could have marketed under the Neumann name..
No they couldn't - they are symmetrical capsule RF condenser mics and very different from Neumann.
The pdf of the brochure is on the UK site HERE (http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf/$File/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf) which gives a lot more detail.
For an idea of prices - the UK price list is here (http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf/$File/Microphones_Price_List_2007.pdf).
didnt know the engineering differences.. ty.. +t! I only made the statement because sennh owns neumann..
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hmm.. these could have marketed under the neumann name..
would that make them sound better?
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Wow, beautiful mics with extended frequency response that the designers claim to be on the warmer side. Hopefully these end up getting made in quantities enough for some price competition, would love to have a set in the future depending on the overall sound. Would love to have a mic with Schoeps style midrange, a more controlled but present low end and open detailed highs without a hint of sparkle. Need to get a pair of Milabs for testing one day because they seem to come close.
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Just got a price of $2397 for a stereo pair w/ 10ft active cables & mini mic clips. Not too shabby.
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Just got a price of $2397 for a stereo pair w/ 10ft active cables & mini mic clips. Not too shabby.
in stock and shipping yet?
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They do have them in the main Sennheiser distribution center but not at retail outlets. Pretty sure they are special orders at this point. I will gladly support your sluttiness.
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They do have them in the main Sennheiser distribution center but not at retail outlets. Pretty sure they are special orders at this point.
These are new mics that have just started shipping - so it is likely to be a little slower at the start.
But it *is* an exciting series that will expand over the coming months and years - for example there will be an AES42 digital module next year. ;D
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I just got off the phone with soundpure and they will do a set for $2250.00.
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I just got off the phone with soundpure and they will do a set for $2250.00.
Thanks for the investigating. I imagine other companies will start to cut their prices slightly in order to compete.
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I just got off the phone with soundpure and they will do a set for $2250.00.
is that a set with the active cables or without?
if that's without the cables, pm me before you order them. i can save you some dough.
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I just got off the phone with soundpure and they will do a set for $2250.00.
is that a set with the active cables or without?
if that's without the cables, pm me before you order them. i can save you some dough.
caps, cables, bodies but no clips is what I was told and they said they will beat anyone's price.
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Tagging this thread out of curiousity. Carry on.
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:hmmm:
This certainly peaks my interest.
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Can you just buy the Caps????
DPA??? Senn??? things to think about..
I will look forward to the first few users reporting back.
CQBert
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Tagging this thread out of curiousity. Carry on.
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Tagging this thread out of curiousity. Carry on.
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Tagging this thread out of curiousity. Carry on.
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I just got off the phone with soundpure and they will do a set for $2250.00.
is that a set with the active cables or without?
if that's without the cables, pm me before you order them. i can save you some dough.
caps, cables, bodies but no clips is what I was told and they said they will beat anyone's price.
Clips come with the mics, as do the foam windshields.
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do Sennheiser mics truly compete with the high end mics out there, for the same gear, such as Schoeps and DPA which are also in the 2000 to 3000 dollar range, that is surprising to me since I had always considered Sennheiser mid range gear at best
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do Sennheiser mics truly compete with the high end mics out there, for the same gear, such as Schoeps and DPA which are also in the 2000 to 3000 dollar range,
Yes - I would say that the symmetrical capsule MKH series are, in fact, better than the DPA and Schoeps.
Sennheiser, Neumann, DPA and Schoeps are probably about equal but their designers all come from different directions.
The Sennheiser MKH are very clear and neutral mics with a better bass response than other small diaphragm condensers. They are RF condensers with a lower IM distortion than all other mics (because of the symmetrical capsule design) and are pretty well immune to moisture problems (due to RF principal). Ultra quiet as well.
The Schoeps are AF condensers, I tend to find them a tad "hard", but this is part of their character. They tend to be a bit lacking in the bass end - slightly hidden by the fact that Shoeps measure frequency response closer than other manufacturers.
The DPA are AF electret condensers, very, good though.
The Neuman are AF condensers, but the Neumann philosophy is that a microphone is like a musical instrument with character.
All my smalll diaphragm condensers are Sennheiser MKH (and I'm just about to order a stereo pair each of the 8020s and 8040s), though I do have a couple of the Neumann digital KM-D series. DPA I may consider, but do prefer the low distortion and neutrality of the MKH series. I don't think I would use a Schoeps.
I hope this helps.
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do Sennheiser mics truly compete with the high end mics out there, for the same gear, such as Schoeps and DPA which are also in the 2000 to 3000 dollar range,
DPA I may consider, but do prefer the....neutrality of the MKH series.
Sennheiser more neutral/transparent than DPA's? I find DPA to be the most transparent microphone line of all, but that is just my own experience, nevertheless thanks for the info regarding Sennheiser mics, with the interchangeable caps this is a fine new option for us tapers who prefer uncolored and transparent microphones
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do Sennheiser mics truly compete with the high end mics out there, for the same gear, such as Schoeps and DPA which are also in the 2000 to 3000 dollar range, that is surprising to me since I had always considered Sennheiser mid range gear at best
Unquestionably yes. I personally would choose a Sennheiser MKH series mic over ANY Schoeps or Neumann.
Just out of curiosity, what Sennheiser products are you referring to when you make the association with "mid-range" gear? I'm genuinely curious.
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sennheiser has been making great microphones for years.....especially dynamics. md421 and md409 come to mind right off the bat.
for voice overs, it's pretty hard to beat the 416 shotgun. the proximity effect brings the voice so upfront and clear, many eng's are choosing this route over the standard LD's like a u87.
original mke's are also fantastic. i'm really excited to hear these new condensers in action!
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do Sennheiser mics truly compete with the high end mics out there, for the same gear, such as Schoeps and DPA which are also in the 2000 to 3000 dollar range, that is surprising to me since I had always considered Sennheiser mid range gear at best
Unquestionably yes. I personally would choose a Sennheiser MKH series mic over ANY Schoeps or Neumann.
Just out of curiosity, what Sennheiser products are you referring to when you make the association with "mid-range" gear? I'm genuinely curious.
member Svenkid used to tape with the ME60/80 series mics, and frankly I have heard one of his recordings with them into a V3 that sounds phenomenal, but I recall seeing this particular model sold here for under a grand which if my memory is correct I would put into the mid range category with my 480's, as well as 460's and 184/185's
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sennheiser makes the best wireless systems out there.
i still use old 431 wired handhelds all the time. they sound better than 58's.
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http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf/$File/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf
Link not working for some reason... but it is on the site...
This is the brochure from the UK Website...
UK Pricing attached below... the brochure was too large..
CQBert
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http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/icm.nsf/resources/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf/$File/MKH_8000_Brochure_2nd_Edition.pdf
Link not working for some reason... but it is on the site...
This is the brochure from the UK Website...
UK Pricing attached below... the brochure was too large..
CQBert
this was posted earlier in the thread along with domestic package pricing.
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Cra@# did not notice... sorry..
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this gear looks very similar in size and style to Neumann km140's, really similar
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this gear looks very similar in size and style to Neumann km140's, really similar
similar, except in sonic characteristics. In that realm, they far and exceed the 140's. And rank as well if not better than schoeps cmc5/6 mk series, and the dpa 40xx, and just about everything else. The MKH series Sennheisers are some of the cream of the crop. I, personally, on paying jobs, would pick these out of the aforementioned mics anyday. I lust after this mkh mic especially
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=004927 (http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=004927)
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in what ways do the Senns "far and exceed" the 140's sonically? In what ways do they "rank as well if not better than schoeps"? Just curious for details. I wasn't aware that anyone had actually heard these mics yet.
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in what ways do the Senns "far and exceed" the 140's sonically? In what ways do they "rank as well if not better than schoeps"? Just curious for details. I wasn't aware that anyone had actually heard these mics yet.
I think he's referring to the other mics in the MKH series, not specifically these new ones.
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I lust after this mkh mic especially
http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=004927 (http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=004927)
Yeah I saw that thing the other day when I was surfing their site. It looks bad ass. As far as the MKH actives, I might have to sell my 460 ck63 and my PMD 660. Have a pair of matched 414's that I will never sell, which means that I would be halfway there. Could whore myself out to some local cougars for the difference. ;D
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I believe Ian White on this board has a pair of the MKH800.
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in what ways do the Senns "far and exceed" the 140's sonically? In what ways do they "rank as well if not better than schoeps"? Just curious for details. I wasn't aware that anyone had actually heard these mics yet.
I think he's referring to the other mics in the MKH series, not specifically these new ones.
ahh, I see!
thanks
have any of you all listened to the Milabs? While we're talking about high quality active setups that fall outside the "norm" for tapers I thought I'd ask. What I have heard of the Milabs has greatly impressed me.
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Tim, yes, as Dirk said, i was referring to the already in production mkh series mics.
I'm betting (and if rockpunk's review of listening to them in a demonstration is any indicator) that these actives will be just as much of a winner.
The Milabs also intrigue me. I'm hoping to score a pair in the next 6 months or so. We'll see how finances manage between now and then.
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i've heard and owned many many mics in my years, and i can tell you that this new sennheiser line is the cream of the crop, for sure.
no question they rank up there with the cmc6/41 or km140's (both of which i own(ed)).
i was told by my distributor that this line wont be out til the first of the year.
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thanks so much guys, great read :)
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As far as the MKH actives, I might have to sell my 460 ck63 and my PMD 660. Have a pair of matched 414's that I will never sell too, because once I hear the Sennheisers I will never look back
Fixed that for you
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As far as the MKH actives, I might have to sell my 460 ck63 and my PMD 660. Have a pair of matched 414's that I will never sell too, because once I hear the Sennheisers I will never look back
Fixed that for you
You said for me what I could not bring myself to say out loud ;D
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You said for me what I could not bring myself to say out loud ;D
I will say out loud that you have the best avi EVER!
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and i can tell you that this new sennheiser line is the cream of the crop, for sure. no question they rank up there with the cmc6/41 or km140's (both of which i own(ed)). i was told by my distributor that this line wont be out til the first of the year.
I'm always curious how people can be so sure about the sound of gear without hearing it. Or maybe you've heard them pre-release, or are you referring to the new line of mics, and not necessarily the as-yet-unreleased actives? Inquiring minds want to know... :)
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and i can tell you that this new sennheiser line is the cream of the crop, for sure. no question they rank up there with the cmc6/41 or km140's (both of which i own(ed)). i was told by my distributor that this line wont be out til the first of the year.
I'm always curious how people can be so sure about the sound of gear without hearing it. Or maybe you've heard them pre-release, or are you referring to the new line of mics, and not necessarily the as-yet-unreleased actives? Inquiring minds want to know... :)
He heard them at AES.
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He heard them at AES.
Ahhhhh...cool!
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they really did sound nice from the 6 seconds i listened to myself say "check check" in them. :P
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and i can tell you that this new sennheiser line is the cream of the crop, for sure. no question they rank up there with the cmc6/41 or km140's (both of which i own(ed)). i was told by my distributor that this line wont be out til the first of the year.
I'm always curious how people can be so sure about the sound of gear without hearing it. Or maybe you've heard them pre-release, or are you referring to the new line of mics, and not necessarily the as-yet-unreleased actives? Inquiring minds want to know... :)
I have heard them....with my own two ears. not only are the remote cables unreleased, but so are the mics. look for them around xmas.
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they really did sound nice from the 6 seconds i listened to myself say "check check" in them. :P
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while maybe not the most scientific way to test mics, i know mics well enough from using them day in and day out in my line of work to know what sounds good to me, even in a pair of headphones just hearing my voice.
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this gear looks very similar in size and style to Neumann km140's, really similar
Nothing like them at all - totally different both inside and out.
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they are smaller than 140's.
infact, they look, to me, anyway, more like schoeps cmc5/6's than anything.
but who cares what they look like....it's all about how they sound.
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I believe Ian White on this board has a pair of the MKH800.
And so do I, as well as a pair each of MKH 20, 30 ad 40. 8)
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...i was told by my distributor that this line wont be out til the first of the year.
Wrong - they are out there now.
Sennheiser are delivering the MKH 8020, 8030 and 8040 in both mono and stereo kits now.
Some of the extension cables and extension tubes will be a few weeks later, but the mics are available now.
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I believe Ian White on this board has a pair of the MKH800.
And so do I, as well as a pair each of MKH 20, 30 ad 40. 8)
nice! i've got some vintage 441's, 421's, 431's, and 816 shotguns.
i also have some of the newer "e" series stuff, which isn't nearly as nice as the older mics.
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I have heard them....with my own two ears. not only are the remote cables unreleased, but so are the mics. look for them around xmas.
Remote cables, yes; but the mics are available now.
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Wrong - they are out there now.
Sennheiser are delivering the MKH 8020, 8030 and 8040 in both mono and stereo kits now.
Tell that to Full Discount and to The Music People. Both tell me 4-6 weeks for delivery from Sennheiser.
In any case, I can't afford a pair right now anyway, so I'll wait 'til one of you guys get a pair to hear them in action.
Who has them in stock, John?
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I believe Ian White on this board has a pair of the MKH800.
And so do I, as well as a pair each of MKH 20, 30 ad 40. 8)
nice! i've got some vintage 441's, 421's, 431's, and 816 shotguns.
i also have some of the newer "e" series stuff, which isn't nearly as nice as the older mics.
Yup, I have these too - 421, original 431 Mk.I and 441 and a very rare pair of 816F + a few Neumann, AKG and Calrecs floating around.
The e series are nice and very consistent - made automatically at about a quarter of the price you would pay if it was made in the traditional way.
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Who has them in stock, John?
Sennheiser USA should have them ex-stock - they are certainly available from Germany, unless they are selling out faster than they can make them.
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Who has them in stock, John?
Sennheiser USA should have them ex-stock - they are certainly available from Germany, unless they are selling out faster than they can make them.
Well, I'm tellin' ya, Sennheiser may be shipping these to dealers (perhaps), but major wholesalers don't have 'em in stock yet.
I just called two of them (Music People and Full Discount) less than a week ago inquiring about stock, and they both told me the same thing.
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Yup, I have these too - 421, original 431 Mk.I and 441 and a very rare pair of 816F + a few Neumann, AKG and Calrecs floating around.
whenever you decide you want to unload some Calrecs, I'm sure Dirk (TNJazz) or myself would love to pick up a pair ;)
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Well, I'm tellin' ya, Sennheiser may be shipping these to dealers (perhaps), but major wholesalers don't have 'em in stock yet.
I just called two of them (Music People and Full Discount) less than a week ago inquiring about stock, and they both told me the same thing.
Ring Sennheiser USA and ask, they should be able to tell you exactly what is available and when.
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whenever you decide you want to unload some Calrecs, I'm sure Dirk (TNJazz) or myself would love to pick up a pair ;)
I was thinking about it at one time, but decided to keep the trusty 2050s in the kit.
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Mainly posting just to track this thread, but I pulled this info out of Senn's literature in case anyone is curious about the symmetrical design and RF design that John W spoke about:
The Operating Principle of the Radio Frequency Condenser Microphone
RF condenser microphones constitute a unique, sophisticated class of condenser microphones. Unlike standard condenser microphones, which require a high polarization voltage for the capsule, RF condenser microphones use a comparatively low RF voltage generated by a low-noise oscillator. This voltage is modulated by the changes in capacitance produced by the sound waves that move the capsule diaphragm. Following the demodulation, a low-noise audio frequency signal with very low source impedance is available, and this can be used to directly drive bipolar transistors that produce less random noise than the field-effect transistors usually needed. As a result, RF condenser microphones have a wide dynamic range and an excellent low frequency response even with small capsules, which would normally only be possible using larger capsules. In addition, small capsules achieve a considerably better high frequency response than large capsules. A further benefit of RF condenser microphones is that, although the capsule is grounded, they possess a genuine fully floating, balanced output without the need to use a transformer.
Sennheiser’s Revolutionary Symmetrical Microphone Capsule
Sennheiser’s RF condenser microphones have a unique symmetrical push-pull transducer. Besides the normal back plate, this capsule is fitted with an additional front plate, with the diaphragm positioned between these acoustically transparent plates. The result of this balanced design is an unchanging acoustic impedance, extremely low distortion figures, a higher capsule output with much lower noise and thus a very clear signal.
Special symmetrical capsule: The MKH capsules incorporate a symmetrical design with the diaphragm located between the normal back plate and an additional, identical front plate. This design provides both acoustical and electrical symmetry and is the most powerful way to eliminate transducer non-linearity and accompanied harmonic and intermodulation distortion. Their unique symmetrical construction enables the MKH microphones to pick up subtleties in the music lost to other microphones – for instance, the subtle harmonics in unaccompanied choir, the complex sound patterns of a 12-string guitar and much more… Superb Sennheiser engineering has kept the diaphragm size the same as the original symmetrical capsule series, despite the much smaller size of the new series, ensuring that small size does not mean any reduction in quality.
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You may also find this Q&A on the RF principle useful:-
Question:
Can anybody give me a quick explanation of why RF modulated microphones are less susceptible to humidity problems than are AF microphones?
Answer:
Basically, AF capacitor microphones use the capsule as a capacitor to store charge. With one fixed plate and the other free to vibrate in sympathy with the sound, the capacitance varies, and the charge moves in or out of the capsule accordingly. This is measured by the head preamplifier and an audio signal results. All well and good, but the capsule is inherently in a high impedance circuit (over 1Giga) – it has to sit there with stored charge until the diaphragm moves and any changes in the charge are perceived as audio. In a humid atmosphere the stored charge finds it easier to escape on water molecules in the air rather than through the input of the preamplifier, hence noisy and reduced output, and misery all round. The high biasing voltage also attracts dust particles to the diaphragm, reducing its efficiency and linearity.
The RF system (as used in Sennheiser MKH microphones) uses the capsule (a low impedance capsule) in a completely different way: as a tuning capacitor for an RF oscillator – which inherently employs it in a low impedance circuit where a high frequency signal is being passed through the capacitor all the time. Changes in capacitance (caused by sound moving the diaphragm) alter the resonant frequency of the circuit (circa 8MHz) and so its frequency becomes proportional to the audio signal. A simple RF demodulator restores the output to a conventional audio signal. More complex and sophisticated (but still very rugged), this system is highly immune to the effects of humidity and is thus the preferred design to be used out of doors (or when moving from outside to inside on a cold day!).
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whenever you decide you want to unload some Calrecs, I'm sure Dirk (TNJazz) or myself would love to pick up a pair ;)
I was thinking about it at one time, but decided to keep the trusty 2050s in the kit.
I'm here if you ever change your mind! ;D
I have seen a few singles here and there on occasion, and Ashley Stiles has one at the moment as well. I guess I'm just a sucker for a nice pair though... >:D
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I'm here if you ever change your mind! ;D
I have seen a few singles here and there on occasion, and Ashley Stiles has one at the moment as well. I guess I'm just a sucker for a nice pair though... >:D
I'm a sucker for a nice pair too
/oh wait, you are talkin 'bout microphones
//nevermind
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http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,94564.0.html
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I am going to give the new Senn's a try...
These will be shipped in the DPA Case with all Accessories including the original DPA Frequency Matching Papers.
The Mics are approx 2yrs old and in mint condition. Only used in smoke free studio and smoke free SoCal locations.
New these run approx $3100
Shiped to your door 2-day = $2350 (if pay pal please add appropriately)
Pictures to follow. Contact via PM please...
CQBert
Hopefully this guy comes through with an upped show. I am anxious to hear them.
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I will find something to record and get it out.... They should arrive later this week...
I may need some help from someone to get it out there as I am traveling a good bit... happy to send a master if someone can help..
CQBert
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I will find something to record and get it out.... They should arrive later this week...
I may need some help from someone to get it out there as I am traveling a good bit... happy to send a master if someone can help..
CQBert
who has these in stock?!?
all the wholesalers i deal with aren't shipping them yet.
glad someone took the leap. can't wait to hear 'em.
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The extension cables appear to be MZL 8010 (10m) and MZL 8003 (3m). other accessories (http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/500966?Open&print=#)
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here you go....
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=511532
If you are listening to get a sense of these new sennheiser mics - I might suggest track #6. The levels were perfect by that point in the performance and that particular piece uses a wide range of sounds.
Glenn Kotche
Lupo's
Providence, RI
11/29/2007
Sennheiser MKH8050~>Aerco~>Sony M1
*recording notes*
-opening act for Andrew Bird
-recorded from third row of balcony / dead center
-missing 1st 45 seconds
-one channel is a little louder due to Glenn's drum set not being centered on the stage
-file size: 201.71 MB
-performance length: 45min
-recorded by MKHstudios
cd1
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1. Mobile pt1
2. Mobile pt2
3. Mobile pt3
4. 'music for pieces of wood'
5. 'Brazilian song'
6. Monkey Chant
7. Projections of (what) Might
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thank you for taking the plunge. Do you think you will be uploading any of your recordings to the LMA?
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here you go....
nice! i'll download and listen tonight.
keep in mind that this recording is with the 8050 super-cardioid, not the regular cardioid (8040).
thanks for the taste!
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here you go....
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=511532
If you are listening to get a sense of these new sennheiser mics - I might suggest track #6. The levels were perfect by that point in the performance and that particular piece uses a wide range of sounds.
Glenn Kotche
Lupo's
Providence, RI
11/29/2007
Sennheiser MKH8050~>Aerco~>Sony M1
*recording notes*
-opening act for Andrew Bird
-recorded from third row of balcony / dead center
-missing 1st 45 seconds
-one channel is a little louder due to Glenn's drum set not being centered on the stage
-file size: 201.71 MB
-performance length: 45min
-recorded by MKHstudios
cd1
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1. Mobile pt1
2. Mobile pt2
3. Mobile pt3
4. 'music for pieces of wood'
5. 'Brazilian song'
6. Monkey Chant
7. Projections of (what) Might
+T
thanks!
I'm guessing no active cables since it's not listed in the lineage?
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here you go....
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=511532
If you are listening to get a sense of these new sennheiser mics - I might suggest track #6. The levels were perfect by that point in the performance and that particular piece uses a wide range of sounds.
Glenn Kotche
Lupo's
Providence, RI
11/29/2007
Sennheiser MKH8050~>Aerco~>Sony M1
*recording notes*
-opening act for Andrew Bird
-recorded from third row of balcony / dead center
-missing 1st 45 seconds
-one channel is a little louder due to Glenn's drum set not being centered on the stage
-file size: 201.71 MB
-performance length: 45min
-recorded by MKHstudios
cd1
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1. Mobile pt1
2. Mobile pt2
3. Mobile pt3
4. 'music for pieces of wood'
5. 'Brazilian song'
6. Monkey Chant
7. Projections of (what) Might
Thanks for sharing this recording (just finished downloading). In my opinion this recording sounds STELLAR!
These super-cardioid caps don't sound thin at all. Plenty of highs, mids and lows. I am also a big fan of the AERCO preamp, and it sounds like a great match with the 8050's.
Can't wait to hear more recordings. I am now curious to hear how these will sound at a rock concert, since this recording is mainly percussion. I may have to think about purchasing a pair of these real soon. >:D
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Thanks for sharing this recording (just finished downloading). In my opinion this recording sounds STELLAR!
These super-cardioid caps don't sound thin at all. Plenty of highs, mids and lows. I am also a big fan of the AERCO preamp, and it sounds like a great match with the 8050's.
Can't wait to hear more recordings. I am now curious to hear how these will sound at a rock concert, since this recording is mainly percussion. I may have to think about purchasing a pair of these real soon. >:D
Agree that they sound really nice.
My thoughts were exactly the same...I'd really enjoy hearing some guitar go through the scales...and especially some nice clear bass through these.
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Can't wait to hear more recordings. I am now curious to hear how these will sound at a rock concert, since this recording is mainly percussion.
*Actually this recording is entirely percussion - Glenn is the drummer from Wilco. His solo set is consists of him and his kit.
*I also recorded the Andrew Bird set (guitar, bass, drums, violin, etc...). I hope to post it in a couple days.
*These mics do not have 'active cables' because all the electronics of the mic are in the capsule - thus the cable does not have to be 'active'. Sennheiser is correctly calling them 'remote cables'. I did not use them because they have not arrived in this country yet.
*what is the LMA?
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http://www.archive.org/details/etree (http://www.archive.org/details/etree) is the main page. Here is a list of all the bands with recordings in the LMA
http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator (http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator)
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http://www.archive.org/details/etree (http://www.archive.org/details/etree) is the main page. Here is a list of all the bands with recordings in the LMA
http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator (http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator)
ah ... the archive. duh. ty.
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Can't wait to hear more recordings. I am now curious to hear how these will sound at a rock concert, since this recording is mainly percussion.
*These mics do not have 'active cables' because all the electronics of the mic are in the capsule - thus the cable does not have to be 'active'. Sennheiser is correctly calling them 'remote cables'. I did not use them because they have not arrived in this country yet.
gotcha
thanks :coolguy:
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*These mics do not have 'active cables' because all the electronics of the mic are in the capsule - thus the cable does not have to be 'active'. Sennheiser is correctly calling them 'remote cables'. I did not use them because they have not arrived in this country yet.
100% true.
I think people just call them "active cables" for lack of better term...although, Sennheiser is correct in calling them "remote cables".
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*These mics do not have 'active cables' because all the electronics of the mic are in the capsule - thus the cable does not have to be 'active'. Sennheiser is correctly calling them 'remote cables'. I did not use them because they have not arrived in this country yet.
100% true.
I think people just call them "active cables" for lack of better term...although, Sennheiser is correct in calling them "remote cables".
hmmm
so if you could order the part that connects to the mic cap and the part that connects to the mic body, in theory, you could make your own remote cables?
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MKHstudios
thanx for also replying to my other thread on these
again
I am curious as to where you got your set of these
since it seems most are not shipping them yet...
thanx
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so if you could order the part that connects to the mic cap and the part that connects to the mic body, in theory, you could make your own remote cables?
might be worth a call to sennheiser parts/service to see if the parts are available (yet).
i'd imagine, however, that they use a specialized tool to make these connections....just a hunch.
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I am curious as to where you got your set of these
since it seems most are not shipping them yet...
Sennheiser has been shipping the MKH8000 series for about 5 weeks. Although, not many accessories are available yet. The first few batches to land in the US went mostly into the broadcast industry (film sound, network TV, etc) for evaluation. I know for fact they were used on the film Spiderman 3 and by Fox during the World Series. I borrowed the pair I used last weekend.
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just for the record....
I came up with the name "MKHstudios" a little over two years ago after making a killer ambient sound recording with a pair of MKH800's.
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Sennheiser has been shipping the MKH8000 series for about 5 weeks. Although, not many accessories are available yet. The first few batches to land in the US went mostly into the broadcast industry (film sound, network TV, etc) for evaluation. I know for fact they were used on the film Spiderman 3 and by Fox during the World Series. I borrowed the pair I used last weekend.
As I have said before, according to two of my wholesalers, these are still not available in the US.
It makes sense that the pair you have are borrowed from someone in the broadcast industry, as they often get gear before it is released to the general public.
In another thread a retailer has them listed for sale, but when asked if he has them in stock and if they are ready to ship, he gives no answer, which leads me to believe that they aren't.
I'll make another call to my contacts later this week as I think I will pick up a pair of the 8040's.
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They are available, but most likely not in stock at your local dealer. Even Sennheiser USA is recieving these in in relatively small quantities every few weeks. Remember these mics are not being mass produced and there is a global demand in the broadcast industry. But I do know if you call a Sennheiser dealer and get in line by placing your order for the mics (not accessories yet) - they can place the order with Sennheiser and you should have a pair of MKH8000's in 4-6 weeks.
I am still trying to find out when you will be able to buy capsules w/o the mic body.
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did anyone see my earlier post in this thread regarding info from Sonic Sense?
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,94564.0.html
Sennheiser will increase prices by about 10% Jan. 1, 2008. We are still waiting to hear back from Sennheiser regarding price increase on Neumann and HHB products.
The MKH8000 series is shipping now.
For our specials on Sennheiser products please email us at sales@sonicsense.com
Parker
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They are available, but most likely not in stock at your local dealer. Even Sennheiser USA is recieving these in in relatively small quantities every few weeks. Remember these mics are not being mass produced and there is a global demand in the broadcast industry. But I do know if you call a Sennheiser dealer and get in line by placing your order for the mics (not accessories yet) - they can place the order with Sennheiser and you should have a pair of MKH8000's in 4-6 weeks.
I don't think anyone here is expecting to walk into their local Guitar Center and find these in stock, but even the major guys like Full Compass, B&H, and Sweetwater don't have these in stock and don't show them shipping until "the end of the year". It's understandable that some of these have made their way into the broadcast industry. I know for a fact that the accessories (and there are some really neat piano/podium/instrument mic'ing solutions for these mics) won't ship until after the new year. I'm excited for this line, but I guess I'll hold off until I can all the accessories that I want.
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Just saw them at Coffey Sound in Hollywood a week ago.
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They are available, but most likely not in stock at your local dealer. Even Sennheiser USA is recieving these in in relatively small quantities every few weeks. Remember these mics are not being mass produced and there is a global demand in the broadcast industry. But I do know if you call a Sennheiser dealer and get in line by placing your order for the mics (not accessories yet) - they can place the order with Sennheiser and you should have a pair of MKH8000's in 4-6 weeks.
I don't think anyone here is expecting to walk into their local Guitar Center and find these in stock, but even the major guys like Full Compass, B&H, and Sweetwater don't have these in stock and don't show them shipping until "the end of the year". It's understandable that some of these have made their way into the broadcast industry. I know for a fact that the accessories (and there are some really neat piano/podium/instrument mic'ing solutions for these mics) won't ship until after the new year. I'm excited for this line, but I guess I'll hold off until I can all the accessories that I want.
But theyre small enough that you could prolly run them almost like actives until they do come out tho, right? or are their pics that deceiving?
I have been HEAVILY thinking about this line, but I'll prolly wait til they pan out and hear some samples first. I have other things to focus on for now.....
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Just saw them at Coffey Sound in Hollywood a week ago.
did you actually see them? like could you have actually touched them?
or did you see they were in stock somehow?
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Just saw them at Coffey Sound in Hollywood a week ago.
no mention of them on their website.
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Yes, they had them on a desk hooked up to a SD MixPre with a pair of headphones. Really short mics. No need for active cables, just use regular XLRs. One was single in an aluminum box, the other was a pair in a box. The capsules do come off.... reallyreally short preamp.
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Yes, they had them on a desk hooked up to a SD MixPre with a pair of headphones. Really short mics. No need for active cables, just use regular XLRs. One was single in an aluminum box, the other was a pair in a box. The capsules do come off.... reallyreally short preamp.
if i am not mistaken, the "bottom half" of the mic isn't a preamp, it's simply the XLR connection.
the preamp lives in the capsule half of the mic....and that's why the cables that connect the two are "remote cables" and not "active cables".
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They're so small I see no need for even remote cables. Not made with lightweight materiel.. had a heft to them.
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yeah but using the
Mini clip MZQ 8001 502329
Miniature clamp, ideal if the microphone is used with a remote cable; 3/8” standard thread (microphone not included).
(http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/f974ebcfa5574a06c1256e380000337d/86aeedfcd30216adc125739400581bdd/Acc_Description_11/0.8A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif)
and the remote cables
Remote cable 3 m MZL 8003 502326
Connects between the microphone head and the XLR module to make the microphone extremely unobtrusive (ideal for almost invisible use hanging from the ceiling); length: 3 m
(http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/f974ebcfa5574a06c1256e380000337d/86aeedfcd30216adc125739400581bdd/Acc_Description_14/0.8A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif)
one could make a sweet 110° ORTF Kwon Bar, fairly easy and it would be very slick!
:)
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Too bad there's no fig-8, no MS then? Or did I miss that capsule?
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Too bad there's no fig-8, no MS then? Or did I miss that capsule?
there is no rule that the figure 8 capsule in a MS configuration has to be the same make/model.
it would be nice if sennheiser would release a 8 capsule down the road, and who knows...maybe they will....until then, use a different brands figure 8 mic.
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In the brochure they state that more mic patterns and caps will be available soon...
Hoping for Fig 8 and Sub-Card...
CQBert
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Very interesting that the body is empty with just an xlr connection.. I was looking at the freq response curve and it is a little hard to read (and does not start at 0db?).
A local taper has some multi-pattern side address Sennheisers. He had some noise problems with them and had to send them to Senn TWICE. I think they had them for quite a while both times. Obviously those are very different mics but it gives me pause.
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my MKHC 8040 stereo set just arrived
I'll snap some pics when I get home :)
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here some pics and size comparisons to schoeps
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3271/p1000444st7.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000444st7.jpg)
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1127/p1000446sl4.th.jpg) (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000446sl4.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/640/p1000449ov4.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000449ov4.jpg)
(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4062/p1000450fu5.th.jpg) (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000450fu5.jpg)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7884/p1000452tb3.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000452tb3.jpg)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1852/p1000454dv2.th.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000454dv2.jpg)
(http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/34/p1000456cx5.th.jpg) (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000456cx5.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2171/p1000458zx6.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000458zx6.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/300/p1000460cn9.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000460cn9.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2962/p1000463qg5.th.jpg) (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000463qg5.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7937/p1000470rh9.th.jpg) (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000470rh9.jpg)
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Very nice man. Very interested in hearing these. So they appear to be about the same overall length of a 140?
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awesome pics!
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Crumbo
awesome pics!
thanx so much, they really are shipping in stock!
how long did you have to wait?
where'd you get your set?
[Mark I am glad to see you post on this thread...
they are only 3.5" long which I beleive is shorter than the KM140's or KM183]
I totally want a pair of these...
;)
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Nice shot of the box... has space for shock mounts and other pieces parts... mine should arrive soon...
I cannot wait!!
+T
CQBert
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Crumbo
awesome pics!
thanx so much, they really are shipping in stock!
how long did you have to wait?
where'd you get your set?
[Mark I am glad to see you post on this thread...
they are only 3.5" long which I beleive is shorter than the KM140's or KM183]
I totally want a pair of these...
;)
got them from sonic sense
ordered yesterday and got them today :)
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got them from sonic sense
ordered yesterday and got them today :)
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wow
only one day
super sweet!
and sonic sense had them!
awesome
any word on the remote cable availabilty? or after the newyear?
thanx again!
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I ordered from the same...
?? Are these a matched set and if so did it come with the paperwork?? curiosity gets me every time..
From what I understand the 3m and 10m cables are available - custom lengths are slower coming and no definite date on them.
CQBert
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3m is fairly standard length, no?
I'm almost positive that my neumann lc3's are that length
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I agree - 3m is pretty std but I think most of us run 16-20 Ft Xlr's just to be safe so 5m is very desirable..
My u89 set came with 10m and they were monsters...
I will sit tight until they can turn around custom lengths...
CQBert
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Parker from Sonic Sense told me today that Sennheiser USA has one pair of cards left in stock.
Also, I heard from a different source that the 8030 would be a wide-cardioid!
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Send me a Wide Card for my B-Day in April!!!! ;D ;D
And then Fig 8
CQBert
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I ordered from the same...
?? Are these a matched set and if so did it come with the paperwork?? curiosity gets me every time..
From what I understand the 3m and 10m cables are available - custom lengths are slower coming and no definite date on them.
CQBert
yep, matched and came with paperwork
I live about 20 miles where these were shipped from, so that worked out nicely
I've got 5m remote cables on order but no timetable for them, like you said
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were they drop shipped or do you live in CO??
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drop shipped
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Where did they ship from? I guess what I'm asking is, where is Senn USA?
and +T's to you guys for taking the plunge on these mics. I'm still on the fence.
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I believe Senn USA is in Mass... but not 100% sure.
CQBert
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I guess what I'm asking is, where is Senn USA?
Old Lyme, CT
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SennheiserUSA is in CT, but a lot of their products ship from Chicago.
I was told that the remote cables might not be available until mid-late Jan.
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Send me a Wide Card for my B-Day in April!!!! ;D ;D
Just got off the phone with Parker and put your order in. Expect a FedEx package on April 1.
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Now that's a FreeLunch!! :D
CQBert
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if i am not mistaken, the "bottom half" of the mic isn't a preamp, it's simply the XLR connection.
the preamp lives in the capsule half of the mic....and that's why the cables that connect the two are "remote cables" and not "active cables".
You are correct.
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Too bad there's no fig-8, no MS then? Or did I miss that capsule?
It's coming - it's in the plan I'm told - don't know the date, though.
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Hoping for Fig 8 and Sub-Card...
Yes to both - it takes a while to gear up a new series - they will come.
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any word on the remote cable availability? or after the new year?
New Year
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Also, I heard from a different source that the 8030 would be a wide-cardioid!
The 8030 will be fig.8 - the MKH 30 is fig.8 so the numbering will follow.
I guess the wide-cardioid will be 8090 as the only other wide-cardioid in the Sennheiser programme has a "9" designation (the ME 5009 wide-cardioid head for the SKM 5000 / 5200 radio system).
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Where is Senn USA?
Old Lyme, Connecticut.
See - www.sennheiserusa.com (http://www.sennheiserusa.com)
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John Willett
wow
thanx for all your responses
and your knowledge in the area
sounds like you are in the "know"
I am strongly toying with the idea of ordering some of these...
fig 8 's would be great
I can see a compact blumlein pair , which would be so cool!
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John Willett
wow
thanx for all your responses
and your knowledge in the area
sounds like you are in the "know"
Indeed! A friend made a call on these mics as a result of your input. Can't wait to run them!
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Crumbo, thanks for posting you pics. Looking forward to hearing a show with them.
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Crumbo, thanks for posting you pics. Looking forward to hearing a show with them.
Yeah Crumbo, congrats man... +T
You keeping the schoeps as well?
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those mics are super small, they look about the same length of the Neumann 40/50 cap alone
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those mics are super small, they look about the same length of the Neumann 40/50 cap alone
yeah, the remote cables only save you about an inch or so.
i'd just go with some right angles and call it a day.
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a pair of those stubbie dremeled XLR's filled w/ epoxy would be a VERY lo-pro setup. These look very promising. I sure hope they sound as nice as they look!
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yeah but using the
Mini clip MZQ 8001 502329
Miniature clamp, ideal if the microphone is used with a remote cable; 3/8” standard thread (microphone not included).
(http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/f974ebcfa5574a06c1256e380000337d/86aeedfcd30216adc125739400581bdd/Acc_Description_11/0.8A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif)
and the remote cables
Remote cable 3 m MZL 8003 502326
Connects between the microphone head and the XLR module to make the microphone extremely unobtrusive (ideal for almost invisible use hanging from the ceiling); length: 3 m
(http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/f974ebcfa5574a06c1256e380000337d/86aeedfcd30216adc125739400581bdd/Acc_Description_14/0.8A?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif)
one could make a sweet 110° ORTF Kwon Bar, fairly easy and it would be very slick!
:)
I've been soliciting quotes from a few different places
and I am still waiting for the accessories quotes from one (only asked 2 for the accessories quote)
here's what I got
from one
-ITEM- -LIST PRICE- -BSW DISCOUNT PRICE-
MZL8003 $169.00 $124.97
MZQ8001 $79.00 $66.65
MKH8040ST $2599.00 $2319.64
they did not mention if they were shipping yet or not
and I have been seriously thinking about this
since Sweetwater currently has a no interest for one year, if you use their sweetwater "credit card" before dec 24th ... merry xmas! they may not have the lowest price, but having no interest for a year could be great
Sound Pure appears to have the best pricing...
thanx
hopefully we'll get a listen soon to these mics
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Try Gotham Sound....
Not everything is shipping.. I got the last matched set of 8040's and they are in transit from East Coast to West..
The Shock mounts are already back ordered until mid Jan 08..
Make sure you ask for matched sets or you may get quotes on two mics...
CQBert
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cool thanx
the model designation
of
MKH8040ST
is the matched STereo pair hence the ST
and If you specify MKH8040ST you should be getting the pairs in the case with the clips and windscreens
but yes be sure to asked for the matched pair of MKH8040ST
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From what i hear, there is a SINGLE pair of 8040's in the US available through Sennheiser, as of last Friday.
Just what I was told by a major wholesaler. I passed on them until after New Years.
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I would check with Full Compass.
What they quoted me for a 8040ST was significantly cheaper than what you got from BSW.
:)
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Here is the rep that I dealt with from Full Compass:
Heather L. Paske
Sales Associate
Full Compass Systems, Ltd. 8001 Terrace Avenue
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 1-800-356-5844, Ext. 1138
Fax: 1-608-831-6330
E-Mail: paske@fullcompass.com
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Here is the rep that I dealt with from Full Compass:
Heather L. Paske
Sales Associate
Full Compass Systems, Ltd. 8001 Terrace Avenue
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 1-800-356-5844, Ext. 1138
Fax: 1-608-831-6330
E-Mail: paske@fullcompass.com
a woman selling high end audio gear, love it!!! I may have a lot of questions about this gear I need to discuss with her >:D
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Here is a more recent picture of Heather (formerly Howard) She wants to speak with you about your 'mic placement'.
(http://www.greyeyeglances.com/photos/press_photos/DWAYNE.jpg)
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those mics are super small, they look about the same length of the Neumann 40/50 cap alone
Actually they are quite close.
KM140 3.68" x 0.880"
MKH8040 3.50" x 0.748"
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those mics are super small, they look about the same length of the Neumann 40/50 cap alone
Actually they are quite close.
KM140 3.68" x 0.880"
MKH8040 3.50" x 0.748"
KM140 is not the AK40/50 as you quoted, but includes the km100 body as well. What Mark meant was that the 140 combo and the 8040 combo are almost the same size.
The kicker is that the km100 body has circuitry and the 8040's 'body' is just an XLR connector which really means when Sennheiser starts to sell parts folks can make these similar in size to the CCM series.
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Correction: I went by someone on this thread said it's 3 1/2" long. According to Senn. data on the site they are way smaller. Yet with the active cables the 8040 would infact be longer. I think...
ak40 1.20"
km100 2.48"
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total 3.68"
8040 cap 1.61"
xlr 1.30"
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total 2.91"
for reference km184 4.21"
another question. Couldn't you just buy caps and the actives and not buy the xlr portion...then mod the cables to terminate in xlr? Hmm..
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another question. Couldn't you just buy caps and the actives and not buy the xlr portion...then mod the cables to terminate in xlr? Hmm..
I'm hoping this can be done 8)
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Here is the rep that I dealt with from Full Compass:
Heather L. Paske
Sales Associate
Full Compass Systems, Ltd. 8001 Terrace Avenue
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 1-800-356-5844, Ext. 1138
Fax: 1-608-831-6330
E-Mail: paske@fullcompass.com
a woman selling high end audio gear, love it!!! I may have a lot of questions about this gear I need to discuss with her >:D
I bet you have a few diff kinds of gear you want to discuss :P
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another question. Couldn't you just buy caps and the actives and not buy the xlr portion...then mod the cables to terminate in xlr? Hmm..
I think that what you would need is the [proprietary] end housing of the extension cable (careful about calling an active cable)
Can someone that has a set say whether the XLR portion of the mic 'screws apart' into, say a XLR piece and a threaded piece that screws back on to the capsule?
i.e. is it [capsule]-[XLR] or [capsule]-[X]-[XLR] with the - being a threaded union.
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Correct. I wonder if both ends of the cables are the same? Then you could buy 2 caps and 1 cable. Cut that baby in half and wire em to xlr. That would be way to easy though. :)
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here's a pic of the cap and xlr module
don't have the remote cables
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7884/p1000452tb3.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000452tb3.jpg)
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Looks like the cables with be similar looking to the LC3's. Still would be sweet to wire the cables to XLR. After all doesn't that portion not have any electronics in it? Is the xlr portion really lightweight compared to the cap?
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Looks like the cables with be similar looking to the LC3's. Still would be sweet to wire the cables to XLR. After all doesn't that portion not have any electronics in it? Is the xlr portion really lightweight compared to the cap?
Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 25 g (55 g including XLR module
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damn, just over 2 ounces for the cap+xlr module? thats crazy light!
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damn, just over 2 ounces for the cap+xlr module? thats crazy light!
that's because it's not weighed down with mud, like schoeps.
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Couldn't you just buy caps and the actives and not buy the xlr portion...then mod the cables to terminate in xlr? Hmm..
In theory - yes.
The remote cables are, in fact, stereo and (no doubt) a Y-cable will be coming shortly, as well as a 5-pin XLR end to put two heads down the same cable (for a compact ORTF rig, for example).
The AES42 module will come in 2008 and that is also stereo.
I wonder if both ends of the cables are the same? Then you could buy 2 caps and 1 cable. Cut that baby in half and wire em to xlr. That would be way to easy though. :)
No, the screw connectors on the remote cable are different - male one end and female the other - one end mirrors the female thread of the capsule and the other mirroes the male thread of the XLR module.
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Robert Randolph & The Family Band
House Of Blues
Chicago, IL
December 21, 2007
Taper: Crumbo
Location: SDB Cage, ~35' from the stage, 6' ROC
Source: Source: Sennheiser MKH 8040 (ORTF, ~8')> SD 722 (24/96)
Conversion: SD 722 > Wavelab 5.01b (resample, dither w/MegaBitMax) > CDWav 1.94.4 > xACT 0.5.7 > foobar2000
here's a 16 bit flac sample: http://www.mediafire.com/?0fudwexgijx
Diane (Summertime)
uploading the whole show to the archive now :)
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Robert Randolph & The Family Band
House Of Blues
Chicago, IL
December 21, 2007
Taper: Crumbo
Location: SDB Cage, ~35' from the stage, 6' ROC
Source: Source: Sennheiser MKH 8040 (ORTF, ~8')> SD 722 (24/96)
Conversion: SD 722 > Wavelab 5.01b (resample, dither w/MegaBitMax) > CDWav 1.94.4 > xACT 0.5.7 > foobar2000
here's a 16 bit flac sample: http://www.mediafire.com/?0fudwexgijx
Diane (Summertime)
uploading the whole show to the archive now :)
oh yeah, thanks!
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http://www.archive.org/details/rrfb2007-12-21.mkh8040.flac16
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Sounds real nice.... clear highs.. smooth mid and not ovepowering bass...
Congrats!!
My first night out is in Jan with Grace Potter and the Nocturnals..
CQBert
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hmm...
need to hear more recordings
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crumbo,
I work in the cinema field. My main mikes are Schoeps (MK-41) for dialogue capture on a boom. A CUT1 low freq cut is also a must for my job.
How do you believe this new sennheisers will work in my ordinary tasks in comparison with Schoeps?
Thanks in advance.∫∫
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24 bit
http://www.archive.org/details/rrfb2007-12-21.mkh8040.flac24
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crumbo,
I work in the cinema field. My main mikes are Schoeps (MK-41) for dialogue capture on a boom. A CUT1 low freq cut is also a must for my job.
How do you believe this new sennheisers will work in my ordinary tasks in comparison with Schoeps?
Thanks in advance.∫∫
not really sure, I only tape bands
sorry
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so for those who have used these mics, or given recordings with them a critical listen on a good home system, are they worth the price and/or something to get excited about? they are in the price range of DPA and Schoeps, so they should be, anyone have any thoughts? if I could get DPA quality and uncolored clarity I would probably invest in them
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so for those who have used these mics, or given recordings with them a critical listen on a good home system, are they worth the price and/or something to get excited about? they are in the price range of DPA and Schoeps, so they should be, anyone have any thoughts? if I could get DPA quality and uncolored clarity I would probably invest in them
and i will provide JK labs setup with a happy home ;D
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For me the jury is still out...
I sold DPA 4022's to move to these for the Remote uses as well as different caps. While I like Schoeps I simply could not afford to go that route.
I like the aysemetrical aspect and they seem to reject rear originating noises pretty well but again, a little more time will be needed.
IMO I think they are a nice alternative to DPA and Schoeps at a nice price point. I like my samples so far but the proof will be in field work when I can compare a little better.
CQBert
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how about the colored or, the transparency, of the sound they produce? I too prefer the DPA transparency but but also the Schoeps switchable caps option, if the Senns are transparent they might be the ideal alternative many of us want
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At Gearslutz a member posted a comparison of the mkh-8040, the mkh-40 and the schoeps mk-4
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/141239-new-sennheiser-mkh8000-series-mics-2.html
To me they sound all three extremely close to one another, but it might be the problem of mp-3 compression ...
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Crumbo, thanks for posting your recordings. Are there any other new ones? Any other folks get a pair recently?
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Just ordered the mkh8040-st box ... will post shows ... will be running 3 rigs for compare soon
All on same stand
184's, 4021's, 8040's all into their own v3's into korg mr-1000's stay tuned..
Word is the output of the 8040's is really hot. They are reported to be a very sensitive mic. This test might not be perfect as each will like ther own spots. Will try to get FOB, at Board and 1st row balcony type compares.
Crumbo, I really liked the RRFB recoding a lot. Seems like they can use eq did you use any roll off on the pre?
I haven't been to the chicago house of blues how far from the stage were you? The recording was really warm with fequencys up and down. Happy happy joy joy!
Thanks again for the killer share!
A :)
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why not just clamp all 3 on a single stand?
a comp from 3 different locations isn't going to tell us a whole lot unfortunately.
+t for the effort
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Just ordered the mkh8040-st box ... will post shows ... will be running 3 rigs for compare soon
All on same stand
184's, 4021's, 8040's all into their own v3's into korg mr-1000's stay tuned..
Word is the output of the 8040's is really hot. They are reported to be a very sensitive mic. This test might not be perfect as each will like ther own spots. Will try to get FOB, at Board and 1st row balcony type compares.
Crumbo, I really liked the RRFB recoding a lot. Seems like they can use eq did you use any roll off on the pre?
I haven't been to the chicago house of blues how far from the stage were you? The recording was really warm with fequencys up and down. Happy happy joy joy!
Thanks again for the killer share!
A :)
thanks 8)
I was about 35' from the stage
I ran 80/12 roll-off on the 722.....was talking to Sean (RRFB's sound dude) while setting up and he said to expect a TON of low end
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why not just clamp all 3 on a single stand?
a comp from 3 different locations isn't going to tell us a whole lot unfortunately.
+t for the effort
YY Tim thats the plan all on one stand .,.. Thought I said that LOL.. My point was we were going to make 3 separate nights recordings from the 3 location with the same rigs... Probably going to wait until the ABB May run as the sound will be the same in the venue every night and we record every night of the run... I will look to see if there is another good run coming up sooner to test out with..
The negative point was that each of these will shine in different locations so I would guess the winner will come out out different each night.
When this is done I will distribute by mail no charge to the guys on this thread 24/96 sample dvd's of songs to really hear the diff. As I never like the mp3 stuff to much noise to here the subtleties of the mics.
This is my preferential listening res .. So everyone, please, lets not hijack the thread to have the 16bit vs. 24 bit debate... Live and Let live... ROFL
Peace
A :)
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here some pics and size comparisons to schoeps
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3271/p1000444st7.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000444st7.jpg)
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1127/p1000446sl4.th.jpg) (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000446sl4.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/640/p1000449ov4.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000449ov4.jpg)
(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4062/p1000450fu5.th.jpg) (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000450fu5.jpg)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7884/p1000452tb3.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000452tb3.jpg)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1852/p1000454dv2.th.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000454dv2.jpg)
(http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/34/p1000456cx5.th.jpg) (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000456cx5.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2171/p1000458zx6.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000458zx6.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/300/p1000460cn9.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000460cn9.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2962/p1000463qg5.th.jpg) (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000463qg5.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7937/p1000470rh9.th.jpg) (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000470rh9.jpg)
Crumbo Thanks fopr these pics
What are you using inside the a53m to attach the clips to the shock mount?
Oh just got the 8040-st's from Dan Ross at Dale Pro Audio. He says he has a few sets both Omni and Cards in stock I paid $2,074 for the kit.. The kill price! No tax shipped out of state!
Call dan at 212-475-1124 you all might know him he is one of us and taped the boys and Phish for 10 yrs.. He is THE MAN!
A;)
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based on those last two pics, it appears that there *really is* no need for the active cables for this gear, just some smallish XLR's like Hyperconductors would do fine
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here some pics and size comparisons to schoeps
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3271/p1000444st7.th.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000444st7.jpg)
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/1127/p1000446sl4.th.jpg) (http://img451.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000446sl4.jpg)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/640/p1000449ov4.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000449ov4.jpg)
(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4062/p1000450fu5.th.jpg) (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000450fu5.jpg)
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7884/p1000452tb3.th.jpg) (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000452tb3.jpg)
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1852/p1000454dv2.th.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000454dv2.jpg)
(http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/34/p1000456cx5.th.jpg) (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000456cx5.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2171/p1000458zx6.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000458zx6.jpg)
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/300/p1000460cn9.th.jpg) (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000460cn9.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2962/p1000463qg5.th.jpg) (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000463qg5.jpg)
(http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7937/p1000470rh9.th.jpg) (http://img47.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000470rh9.jpg)
Crumbo Thanks fopr these pics
What are you using inside the a53m to attach the clips to the shock mount?
Oh just got the 8040-st's from Dan Ross at Dale Pro Audio. He says he has a few sets both Omni and Cards in stock I pade $2,074 for the kit.. The kill price! No tax shipped out of state!
Call dan at 212-475-1124 you all might know him he is one of us and taped the boys and Phish for 10 yrs.. He is THE MAN!
A;)
it's an Atlas Sound AD7B 3" tube 5/8" thread at each end that I got from full compass
put some gaffers tape around it so it would fit nicely in the shure donut
I've since gotten a Vark bar which is much easier to manage
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Crumbo
I thought so.. I actually bought the same thing to use gaffers tape after I posted LOL....
You said it was unwieldy Why? was it not a tight fit? I was going to use rubber spacers with the tape should be firm I thought?
As for the Vark Bar.. Cool how are you going to get rid of vibrations? did you by the suspension clips from sen?. the shure dampens the static clips some?...
Thanks again for the reply!
A :D
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Crumbo
I thought so.. I actually bought the same thing to use gaffers tape after I posted LOL....
You said it was unwieldy Why? was it not a tight fit? I was going to use rubber spacers with the tape should be firm I thought?
As for the Vark Bar.. Cool how are you going to get rid of vibrations? did you by the suspension clips from sen?. the shure dampens the static clips some?...
Thanks again for the reply!
A :D
The Vark Bar can be shockmounted ;D
http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html
I never thought of it, but the Vark Bar could be PERFECT for my MBHO M/S setup in the NEAR future ;D That would accomodate my side address fig8 capsule and the front address ka200 card/ka500 hyper ;D Thanks for the thought Crumbo!
One question tho, what diameter is the VB where it can be shockmounted ??? I fits in a Schoeps A20/A20S, so would that be 20mm, correct? I should be able to fit one in my Shure a53m donuts, right? I take it thats what youre using it with? I dont care if its tight going on there, because once the Vark Bar goes onto the shure donut, its never coming off. Thats my dedicated MS Actives shock ;D
TIA,
Bean
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that's exactly how I do it Bean
right into the shure donut
just need to put a small piece of gaffers tape over the middle so it doesn't spin.....I suppose I could wrap the circular part of the vark bar with some gaffers tape to make it a tad tighter
edit: I'll try and snap some pics tonight and post
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Crumbo
I thought so.. I actually bought the same thing to use gaffers tape after I posted LOL....
You said it was unwieldy Why? was it not a tight fit? I was going to use rubber spacers with the tape should be firm I thought?
As for the Vark Bar.. Cool how are you going to get rid of vibrations? did you by the suspension clips from sen?. the shure dampens the static clips some?...
Thanks again for the reply!
A :D
it wasn't very sturdy and even with the washer thingys it was tough to the mics balance properly and it's kinda heavy (the clips for the senns are heavier than you would think)
I prefer the shure donut and the vark bar over the schoeps a20 and vark bar......better support and suspension from the shure donut and the vark bar is super light
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pics of vark bar in the shure donut
hi-ho silver cables ;D
DIN
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5585/din2wm5.th.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=din2wm5.jpg)
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5043/din3ru8.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=din3ru8.jpg)
DINa
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4066/dina2yv7.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dina2yv7.jpg)
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4867/dina3zw5.th.jpg) (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dina3zw5.jpg)
ORTFish
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1834/ortf1bt4.th.jpg) (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ortf1bt4.jpg)
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2175/ortf2tc7.th.jpg) (http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ortf2tc7.jpg)
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Thanks! I cant wait to hear these raw(w/ out any HPF). I thought they sounded kind of weird on the lwoend. But the highs were SILKY!
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I'm planning on getting a single 8040 and 8050 for film work. It is interesting how excited people are about a Sennheiser mic. When was the last time that happened?
I got a hold of the dealer price list for these by the way, and I have to say the prices mentioned here are in the 5 to 7 % markup range. Not much for a dealer. The SRP on these is crazy.
Wayne
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Just ordered the mkh8040-st box ... will post shows ... will be running 3 rigs for compare soon
All on same stand
184's, 4021's, 8040's all into their own v3's into korg mr-1000's stay tuned..
A :)
Adam,
I can't wait to hear the comps
I am trying to figure out how I can actually budget these mics my self
look forward to tons of shows with these sweet mics
they may be the best new stealth mics around... ;D
:
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-- Ian
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Crumbo
So you are saying the vark bar is less weight? But you still use the clips into the donut it seems that you are adding more weight? I built up the donut and spacer with the tape and put on the mic clips. It seems ok.
Did you have spinning problems? I guess I have to get the rig in the air to see how long time on stand effects positioning...
Again thanks for all your input.
Edit:
I just saw the vark pictures rig looks beautiful. I think you need to get the horizontal part of the vark bar off the donut though. The support tube on the Vark should be held up by the donut or you will not see the -20db isolation you will probably get much less.
A :)
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Crumbo
So you are saying the vark bar is less weight? But you still use the clips into the donut it seems that you are adding more weight? I built up the donut and spacer with the tape and put on the mic clips. It seems ok.
Did you have spinning problems? I guess I have to get the rig in the air to see how long time on stand effects positioning...
Again thanks for all your input.
Edit:
I just saw the vark pictures rig looks beautiful. I think you need to get the horizontal part of the vark bar off the donut though. The support tube on the Vark should be held up by the donut or you will not see the -20db isolation you will probably get much less.
A :)
I see what you are saying....good idea!
thanks 8)
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Crumbo
Let me know if you can support the vark bar in the donut. If so I gotta spend the $70 TO BY THE VARK BAR ::)
Thanks again
A :D
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you can find a vark bar much cheaper than that
mine was $55 shipped new
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Crumbo
Let me know if you can support the vark bar in the donut. If so I gotta spend the $70 TO BY THE VARK BAR ::)
Thanks again
A :D
you can find a vark bar much cheaper than that
mine was $55 shipped new
Keep an eye on ebay as well, new ones were going for $10 and under for the last couple months from daleproaudio, I haven't seen any for a few weeks though.
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Just ordered one for $60.... ::)
NP
Thanks Again
A
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hey
I don't think this is a great way to compare
but I found this vid
upon my searches for the MKH 8040's
so check it out if you want
its not really a vid though more of an audio sample
comparing the 184's to the 8040's
in choppy youtube form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08XJDa-_jsY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08XJDa-_jsY&feature=related)
there you go...
or not
;)
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hey
I don't think this is a great way to compare
but I found this vid
upon my searches for the MKH 8040's
so check it out if you want
its not really a vid though more of an audio sample
comparing the 184's to the 8040's
in choppy youtube form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08XJDa-_jsY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08XJDa-_jsY&feature=related)
there you go...
or not
;)
THanks for that LOL but as you stated... You won't really hear it... ;-)
I don't have an account at youtube but if someone does they should ask for a high res sample of the audio ... there is a thread going on at gear sluts with samples right now. These are small piano recordings and the threard is pros' in the orchestral field ringing out the mics vs dpa's and schoeps....
These mics have a lot of gain and are far reaching so similar mic placement to the for mentioned mics coincident will yield different results. Interesting. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/141239-new-sennheiser-mkh8000-series-mics.html (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/141239-new-sennheiser-mkh8000-series-mics.html)
A :)
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Thanks for the links and info.
In the gearslutz thread there is a picture of the mic next to a K6 module?
I assume the new mic does not work with a K6 setup?
What would be the simplest/smallest way to power these mics for recording into a R-09 for 4+ hours?
I mean: the optional cable between the XLR-module and the mic, is it only two-wire?
If so: what voltage does the XLR-module provide?
Could we replace the XLR-module by something that runs off of somethign else than phantom?
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In the gearslutz thread there is a picture of the mic next to a K6 module?
No - it's the new MKH 8050 compared with the earlier MKH 50 and an AA size battery.
(http://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/remote-possibilities-acoustic-music-location-recording/46141d1196752487-new-sennheiser-mkh8000-series-mics-img_0195.jpg)
Could we replace the XLR-module by something that runs off of something else than phantom?
Yes - the AWS42 digital module will be coming shortly.
Or - you can use the remote cable to make it shorter - but you will still need the XLR module and phantom at the other end of the remote cable.
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Ok, thanks.
How does the size of the k6 relate to an MKH50?
What type of voltage does the MKH8040 XLR module give to the mic capsule part?
Where can i find more about AWS42?
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Ok, thanks.
How does the size of the k6 relate to an MKH50?
What type of voltage does the MKH8040 XLR module give to the mic capsule part?
Where can i find more about AWS42?
The xlr Module is just that... The mic is completely inside the body of the 8000 series portion of the combo... So the xlr portion it passes on the 48v. from the pre used or from the recorder supplying (same thing in most cases) it or from another inline product you use... As far as I have read the XLR portion is just an 'adapter.
A :D
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So who has stock and the best price on a set of these?
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So has stock and the best price on a set of these?
Dale Pro Audio! $1075 no tax out of state. In stock Call Dan Ross over there tell um Adam Egert sent you of MOTB.org
A
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So has stock and the best price on a set of these?
Dale Pro Audio! $1075 no tax out of state. In stock Call Dan Ross over there tell um Adam Egert sent you of MOTB.org
A
i've dealt with dan before and he's always given me great quotes. nice guy too!
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tell um Adam Egert sent you of MOTB.org
Adam, I just talked with your wife. She said you are not allowed to go to concerts anymore. So you can leave the mics at my house :)
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So has stock and the best price on a set of these?
Dale Pro Audio! $1075 no tax out of state. In stock Call Dan Ross over there tell um Adam Egert sent you of MOTB.org
A
Ok, I'm confused. That's per mic? I was looking for the stereo set but I understand it does not come with active cables. Does anyone have the cables? How much? I understand these are tiny, but the title of this thread is active setup.
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Ok, I'm confused. That's per mic?
I would assume so based on dealer pricing.
Wayne
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UK price is about £745 each and £1,395 a pair (+VAT) if that helps.
I have no idea what the US price is.
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So has stock and the best price on a set of these?
Dale Pro Audio! $1075 no tax out of state. In stock Call Dan Ross over there tell um Adam Egert sent you of MOTB.org
A
OOPPPSSSS! ::) $2075 THat is for the mkh8040-st stereo set so 2 mics. Tony if you are going to be in ny and want to patch out for a show int he next couple of weeks let me know and you can here them or yourself
A
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tell um Adam Egert sent you of MOTB.org
Adam, I just talked with your wife. She said you are not allowed to go to concerts anymore. So you can leave the mics at my house :)
Derek I know you haven't spoke to here because you don't even say hi to here when you call ROFL!
A
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are you sure you don't mean $2075 for a pair? ;)
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are you sure you don't mean $2075 for a pair? ;)
Read again ;-)
Yes as I clarified the $2075 was for the stereo pair of mics... mkh8040-st...
A
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Adam
or
anyone else...
any other recordings with the 8040's yet?
loking forward to hear more
and can't wait for the comparison
thanx
to all
-- Ian
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Adam
or
anyone else...
any other recordings with the 8040's yet?
loking forward to hear more
and can't wait for the comparison
thanx
to all
-- Ian
We missed John hammond. I will try to get out in the next few .. it is slim pickins 'for shows and timing over the past couple of weeks.
A
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I wonder if you can use the remote cables with the schoeps din and ortf bars???hhmmm.
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I wonder if you can use the remote cables with the schoeps din and ortf bars???hhmmm.
hopefully, I'll find that out in a couple of weeks :)
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I wonder if you can use the remote cables with the schoeps din and ortf bars???hhmmm.
hopefully, I'll find that out in a couple of weeks :)
I got a price of only $102 per remote cable. If I buy a set, I am definitely getting the remote cables.
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I wonder if you can use the remote cables with the schoeps din and ortf bars???hhmmm.
hopefully, I'll find that out in a couple of weeks :)
I got a price of only $102 per remote cable. If I buy a set, I am definitely getting the remote cables.
louie, mind if i ask where and when we should expect a stock of them to be available? i know somewhere i saw mid to end jan/early feb but i didn't know if you had a more specific time
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Adam
or
anyone else...
any other recordings with the 8040's yet?
loking forward to hear more
and can't wait for the comparison
thanx
to all
-- Ian
hopefully I'll be able to run them Feb 8 and March 1
it's peak trade show season for my business right now, so it's tough to get out
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I wonder if you can use the remote cables with the schoeps din and ortf bars???hhmmm.
hopefully, I'll find that out in a couple of weeks :)
I got a price of only $102 per remote cable. If I buy a set, I am definitely getting the remote cables.
louie, mind if i ask where and when we should expect a stock of them to be available? i know somewhere i saw mid to end jan/early feb but i didn't know if you had a more specific time
I've been told mine will ship late jan/early feb
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considering the prices for the bodies and caps, those remote cables are dirt cheap!
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I wonder if you can use the remote cables with the schoeps din and ortf bars???hhmmm.
hopefully, I'll find that out in a couple of weeks :)
I got a price of only $102 per remote cable. If I buy a set, I am definitely getting the remote cables.
What do the remote cables buy you? They are not active the profile of a small right angled xlr is similar... Just a thought...
Thanks A :)
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What do the remote cables buy you? They are not active the profile of a small right angled xlr is similar... Just a thought...
Thanks A :)
Not really - you remove the XLR module to use the remote cable - it will be much shorter than the complete mic. with a rt.angled XLR.
Also - the remote cables are stereo capable.. So when Sennheiser add the Y-cable later on, you will be able to run two heads down the same remote cable.
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What do the remote cables buy you? They are not active the profile of a small right angled xlr is similar... Just a thought...
Thanks A :)
Not really - you remove the XLR module to use the remote cable - it will be much shorter than the complete mic. with a rt.angled XLR.
Also - the remote cables are stereo capable.. So when Sennheiser add the Y-cable later on, you will be able to run two heads down the same remote cable.
Got it..... You know I don't stealth it... and build my own cables. I run a neat 2 channel snake with right angle neutrek's. All shrink wrapped and braided... So I probably would not be a candidate but for other purposes I see how it would be beneficial.. Thanks
A
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OK
Looks like 1/29 Highline Ballroom Trying to get the dpa's on the pole but for now will be running...
Senn MKH8040-st > v3 > Korg MR-1000 > 1bit 5.64mhz > 16/44.1 (strait dissemination)
Neumann 184's > v3 > Korg MR-1000 > 1bit 5.64mhz > 16/44.1 (strait dissemination)
Schoeps CMT44's > SD 722 > 24/88 > 16/44.1 Izotope SRC/MBIT
If we get the dpa's
DPA 4021's > v3 > sd722 >24/88 > 16/44.1 Izotope SRC/MBIT
I want to get these samples out in cd quality minimum so I will make sample cd's to send PM me if you want one... This is restricted to the guys in this thread... 24 bit will be available on DVD as samples as well.
I normally do 24/96 but in an effort to reduce mathematical error for the samples I will go with 88khz. I really don't think with Izotope's src you would hear the diff but who needs an argument ROFL
I would post mp3's but you will never hear the difference LOL
Please weigh in on weather or not I should do these as a strait pull or with a HP pad -15db/O at 50hz
A :-)
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I actually used these in anger for the first time last night.
So my money is going on the table and I will get a stereo set of both 8020s and 8040s.
But I will probably add a stand, extension tube and remote cable. But I really now also want the y-cable and XLR-5 so I can run spaced omnis or an ORTF pair down a single remote.
Very unobtrusive when recording a piano recital in front of an audience. :D
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A,
sounds awesome!
PM sent
can't wait to hear the comp
those are very nice rigs yuor running
thanx for all of the kind efforts!
peace thru (sharing)music
-- Ian
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Please weigh in on weather or not I should do these as a strait pull or with a HP pad -15db/O at 50hz
A :-)
oh,
I would run them flat no 50hz roll off
that's my 2¢
as they only go down to 30hz any way... they won't be thundering... but if you are very FOB? who knows...
I would still run no roll off
;)
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Hey
A
maybe soon you'll have had a chance to listen to some of the recordings from last nite?
any initial thoughts?
where did you run from
and how high on the stand were the mics?
I bet it was a great show...
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Hey
A
maybe soon you'll have had a chance to listen to some of the recordings from last nite?
any initial thoughts?
where did you run from
and how high on the stand were the mics?
I bet it was a great show...
i was there last night too and ran next to you guys clamped to the balcony at the highline. haven't had a chance to check out my recording, but it looks like you guys accomplished the comp you wanted. REALLY looking forward to hearing these cards. these mics are tiny!
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hEY
I don't think we got the compare we wanted... Little errors conspired but we will try again. But will be pulling together samples this week... TJ great to meet you!
The senns are sensitive boy!
They definitely need a roll off for sure. I will post a sample of both raw and where I rolled off the lows in wavelab at -6db/octive at 50hz a big difference!
My 11yr old daughter commented in the car yesterday that it felt like someone was hitting the door with a hammer to the beat! LOL now NMA is really muddy to begin with ROFL With the edit in Wavelab it sounds killer. The sub in the car was working over time!
The dpa's were put in XY not ORTF! Don't ask
The 184's were split and put in front of the balcony repeater stacks for the sound guys
the Schoeps got rolled off by accident at 80hz by 6db/octive... OOOOFFFAAAA !
The devil was out in force..
We will shoot to do this again for the Black Crows at teh Fillmore at Irving Plaza....
You just can't catch a break!
I will post sample of all soon
A :D
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I would imagine loading in/setting up/guarding/rolling four completely separate rigs is a little taxing, so we'll let it slide this time :P
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I would imagine loading in/setting up/guarding/rolling four completely separate rigs is a little taxing, so we'll let it slide this time :P
Thanks ROFL you have no Idea... We were going to use a v2 for the schoeps but ran into the 722 instead.. The settings were from a previous session Sucks... My fault.. But it was a lot on the table tj can attest LOL...
We had 3 bags 4 recorders 3 pre's 6 batteries, 4 sets of mics a Uher 240 cassette running off the dpa's as well LOL
Lots of beer scotch and vodka not to mention the nugs OOOFFFAAA
Next time we pre set up the rigs with a confermation checklist... LOL
;-P
Love A
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I would imagine loading in/setting up/guarding/rolling four completely separate rigs is a little taxing, so we'll let it slide this time :P
Thanks ROFL you have no Idea... We were going to use a v2 for the schoeps but ran into the 722 instead.. The settings were from a previous session Sucks... My fault.. But it was a lot on the table tj can attest LOL...
We had 3 bags 4 recorders 3 pre's 6 batteries, 4 sets of mics a Uher 240 cassette running off the dpa's as well LOL
Lots of beer scotch and vodka not to mention the nugs OOOFFFAAA
Next time we pre set up the rigs with a confermation checklist... LOL
;-P
Love A
yeah, you guys were definitely rolling deep. what did you run behind the senns?
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senn 8040-st > Grace Designs V3 > korg mr-1000 > 1bit 5.64Mhz DFF
A
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any more news on how the comp came out?
looking forward to another comp shot...
maybe you could enlist more help for set up and running decks n such....
if I were on the east coast I'd help
lookin forward to another chance for a comp...
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The comp did not turn out well... THe test had to many differing variables. We ddi do some post processing to bring things closer together...
Ala Roll off's with HP filters with gain recovery to match the schoeps settings...
These 2 mics were the only 2 that were good to compare at all as the DPA's ran xy coincident and the they were run DIN not ortf...
Stay tuned..
A
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You just need to send me all the mics, so I can assign them channels on the Deva. ;D
Of course that would mean I would actually have to go out and record a show. Something I haven't done in months. :-[
Wayne
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The comp did not turn out well... THe test had to many differing variables. We ddi do some post processing to bring things closer together...
Ala Roll off's with HP filters with gain recovery to match the schoeps settings...
These 2 mics were the only 2 that were good to compare at all as the DPA's ran xy coincident and the they were run DIN not ortf...
Stay tuned..
A
thanks for the effort regardless. i would still be very interested in hearing the recording using these mics, primarily b/c i was there and taping right next to you guys. even just a song or two would be greatly appreciated. i am seriously thinking about taking the plunge and every sample i have is useful.
+T for the efforts!
did anyone get the remote cables yet? also, i am interested if anyone has had a chance to fit these with schoeps kwon bars.
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tj
pm me your addy I will
send many samples to you on dvd
I spoke with senn today.. As it turns out there roll off after 40hz is much less than that of dpa's and schoeps so I will be using a -6db/octive hp at 50hz to bring them more into line form now on and run them in xy as well... after hearing the dps xy config fom that pole!
They might be great pointed at stacks as well for NMA as the subs were really kicking and off to the sides so in essence the mics were non coincident and pointing slightly outside the stacks who knows..ROFL!
I will say when I used a stereo mastering eq plugin in wavelab and roled off and did the gain reclamation the recording came way back into where i wanted it... Without it was way base heavy... to the point of driving the mid-highs way to low in the recording..
I love the mics character though no mid color like schoeps... more like dpa's but I think the set up choice of ortf was wrong for that location and it was ortf not din.. We were DFC but the balcony repeaters came into play
Live and learn!
If anyone has a ticket for black crowes march 4th I would love to try again there!
A
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My new Sennheiser MHK8040 should be here today according to the tracking information. I only ordered one because I plan on using it strictly for film. The shockmount for it is currently backordered until mid-April, so I'm going to use one of my PSC mounts until then.
Wayne
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My new Sennheiser MHK8040 should be here today according to the tracking information. I only ordered one because I plan on using it strictly for film. The shockmount for it is currently backordered until mid-April, so I'm going to use one of my PSC mounts until then.
I hate to have to say this - but, personally, I would use the new Rycote INV-3 shockmount for it, rather than the new Sennheiser one.
The Rycote will be available in March for $79, about half the price of the MZS 8000.
(http://www.rycote.com/assets/images/products/invision/INV03_MKH_MZX_8000_02.jpg)
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The Rycote will be available in March for $79, about half the price of the MZS 8000.
I'm amazed that Rycote could produce something cheaper than Sennheiser. I'm sure I'll end up adding the Rycote to my kit. FYI, I never pay full price for gear... I got the Sennheiser for about the price of the Rycote.
Wayne
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The Rycote will be available in March for $79, about half the price of the MZS 8000.
I'm amazed that Rycote could produce something cheaper than Sennheiser. I'm sure I'll end up adding the Rycote to my kit. FYI, I never pay full price for gear... I got the Sennheiser for about the price of the Rycote.
;D The Rycote windshields were always cheaper than the Sennheiser - in the UK, anyway.
But the Rycote In-vision mount is much better than the MZS 8000 - the mic. doesn't wobble about like it does on the MZS (unless they changed the design).
Having seen a lot of the MKH 8000 range and accessories - they are all great, except for that shockmount (and I did tell Sennheiser Germany about it).
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My new Sennheiser MHK8040 should be here today according to the tracking information. I only ordered one because I plan on using it strictly for film. The shockmount for it is currently backordered until mid-April, so I'm going to use one of my PSC mounts until then.
I hate to have to say this - but, personally, I would use the new Rycote INV-3 shockmount for it, rather than the new Sennheiser one.
The Rycote will be available in March for $79, about half the price of the MZS 8000.
(http://www.rycote.com/assets/images/products/invision/INV03_MKH_MZX_8000_02.jpg)
very slick looking shock mount!
thanx for the nice pic too!
-- Ian
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But the Rycote In-vision mount is much better than the MZS 8000 - the mic. doesn't wobble about like it does on the MZS (unless they changed the design).
Having seen a lot of the MKH 8000 range and accessories - they are all great, except for that shockmount (and I did tell Sennheiser Germany about it).
I was going to use my PSC mounts until the Sennheiser mount came in. However that isn't going to work. The mic is too small! ;)
I'll have to find another solution until either the Rycote or Sennheiser mount is available.
Wayne
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I was going to use my PSC mounts until the Sennheiser mount came in. However that isn't going to work. The mic is too small! ;)
I'll have to find another solution until either the Rycote or Sennheiser mount is available.
Something like an Ambient Mini Floater might work - but it's not a cheap solution for such a short time.
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chalk up another member of team sennheiser...just got my matched set of 8040s. purchased from bsw, great deal and very nice people there. they are so small! my first outing with them will be next friday, a local band called the constellations. bob.
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congratulations on your new mics. We are all anxious to hear more recordings with these.
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Just got off the phone with Sennheiser USA and they confirmed that a Fig8 & Shotgun capsule are in the works and that they hope to unveil them at the next AES convention in San Francisco 10/2008. Looks like I might have to sell my AKG 460's to fund a pair of cards & 1 fig 8 capsule at the end of the year.
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odd how this new line of mics suddenly opens up a whole new microphone option for us tapers, and it comes essentially out of the blue
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Fig 8 - just in time for the Holidays..... wish list started!
;D
CQBert
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come on people. anyone want to be generous and post some of their 8040 samples on www.megaupload.com (you can upload up to 500mb a day for free and don't have to sign up).
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come on people. anyone want to be generous and post some of their 8040 samples on www.megaupload.com (you can upload up to 500mb a day for free and don't have to sign up).
I owe you a PM
got some stuff to sort out first
look for one over the weekend :)
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come on people. anyone want to be generous and post some of their 8040 samples on www.megaupload.com (you can upload up to 500mb a day for free and don't have to sign up).
I owe you a PM
got some stuff to sort out first
look for one over the weekend :)
sweeeeeettttt. I will be looking for it.
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Ok Heres one....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49KWN8O0 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49KWN8O0)
This is the North Mississippi Allstars A the highline Ballroom In NYC 1/29/08 THere was a lot of bass in the room Very muddy to listen to. The mics were DFC on a boom 3 ft out from the floor of the balcony in ORTF (hind site would have been DIN) There is a 75hx 12db/Octave roll off on this and it needed it.. All the recordings did even my schoeps..
If I were doing this show again I would have done DIN as I said with the HP filter on...
Enjoy
A :-)
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Ok Heres one....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49KWN8O0 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=49KWN8O0)
This is the North Mississippi Allstars A the highline Ballroom In NYC 1/29/08 THere was a lot of bass in the room Very muddy to listen to. The mics were DFC on a boom 3 ft out from the floor of the balcony in ORTF (hind site would have been DIN) There is a 75hx 12db/Octave roll off on this and it needed it.. All the recordings did even my schoeps..
If I were doing this show again I would have done DIN as I said with the HP filter on...
Enjoy
A :-)
Thanks Adam +T.
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All the recordings did even my schoeps..
So which one do you like better >:D
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I must say The Senns will make you work for the right pull but they are so warm and luscious and accurate that I like them better than the Schoeps hands down...
I would say though that if I just had to plug mics in to a deck no HP filters available and I was not going to edit the files after I would record with the Schoeps for a band like the NMA.. Lots of mud in their sound and what you here is what you get with the sens... The Schoeps would be more colored to eliminate just a little of it
I recorded A friend on solo acoustic guitar and the senns just killed the Schoeps IMHO... There is such a forward warmth and presence to them as if your ear was on the bridge while the guitar is played...
I really love them...
A :D
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I recorded A friend on solo acoustic guitar and the senns just killed the Schoeps IMHO... There is such a forward warmth and presence to them as if your ear was on the bridge while the guitar is played...
I really love them...
I've been running some tests with the 8040 and vocals (film) and I have to say that I too think this mic is a wonderful mic for that application. There are a few disturbing things though... the windsock that comes with the unit needs some improvement. When working on a boom, you have to be careful not to "thrash" the mic around, or you'll hear that. I'm hoping that I get a chance to check out the Rycote option for this mic series at NAB in April because somebody has to have some better options.
Wayne
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I recorded A friend on solo acoustic guitar and the senns just killed the Schoeps IMHO... There is such a forward warmth and presence to them as if your ear was on the bridge while the guitar is played...
I really love them...
I've been running some tests with the 8040 and vocals (film) and I have to say that I too think this mic is a wonderful mic for that application. There are a few disturbing things though... the windsock that comes with the unit needs some improvement. When working on a boom, you have to be careful not to "thrash" the mic around, or you'll hear that. I'm hoping that I get a chance to check out the Rycote option for this mic series at NAB in April because somebody has to have some better options.
Wayne
Wayne I used the foam that came with it with a windteck dead rat and that was real tight no movement....
http://www.olsenaudio.com/Mic-Muff-Web-Info.pdf (http://www.olsenaudio.com/Mic-Muff-Web-Info.pdf)
It has a velcro cuff that tightened it down
A :D
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There are a few disturbing things though... the windsock that comes with the unit needs some improvement. When working on a boom, you have to be careful not to "thrash" the mic around, or you'll hear that. I'm hoping that I get a chance to check out the Rycote option for this mic series at NAB in April because somebody has to have some better options.
The MZW 8000 foam windshield is pretty hi-tech and is of a dual layer construction of different types of foam. It is extremely effective at what it is designed to do.
However, no foam windshield is really suitable for waving around on a pole - the solution is to put a Rycote mini windjammer over the foam to improve the wind protection.
You will fond the Rycote In-Vision shockmounts superb when you see them.
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Has anyone tried the baby ball gag with this?
A
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Has anyone tried the baby ball gag with this?
No, but Rycote certainly do the mounts for it in the ball gags.
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Aegert, are you saying that the mics are much more directional, in that you have to have your angles correct or else risk a nast pull?
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No I'm saying that the tend to have a slightly tighter pattern than a classic card...
Aside from that I felt that for the spread of the PA and my distance from the stage for that show and location DIN might have been better thats all....
A :D
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Hey
A
it's getting closer to March Fourth!
looking forward to the comp
and
a Happy Birthday!
my 2¢ is to run all the mics in the same pattern whetever you deem best
have fun at the Crows!
-- Ian
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Ian
I have been at home with the flu since Tuesday... Prey I am better...
I am looking forward to it as well
A :D
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here's a sample from last night
http://www.sendspace.com/file/q93mrx
TR3
Double Door
Chicago, IL
March 1, 2008
Taper: Crumbo
Location: Next to soundboard, ~35' from the stage, 6' LOC
Source: Sennheiser MKH 8040 (DIN, ~10') > SD 722 (24/96)
Conversion: SD 722 > Wavelab 5.01b (resample, dither w/MegaBitMax) > CDWav 1.95.1 > xACT 0.5.9
rest of the show should be up on the archive either later today or tomorrow, just getting some setlist help :)
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sample from the opener Van Ghost
DSOTM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/mcjioz
Van Ghost
Double Door
Chicago, IL
March 1, 2008
Taper: Crumbo
Location: Next to soundboard, ~35' from the stage, 6' LOC
Source: Sennheiser MKH 8040 (DIN, ~10') > SD 722 (24/96)
Conversion: SD 722 > Wavelab 5.01b (resample, dither w/MegaBitMax) > CDWav 1.95.1 > xACT 0.5.9
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one more sample for you...from my first night out with these mics.
http://live.logicind.com/constellations/22feb2008/ (http://live.logicind.com/constellations/22feb2008/)
I realized after taping that my DIN setup was not actually DIN. I didn't change my stand since my last set of mics and these 8040s were a little too far apart to really be DIN. I think it would have come out better had I payed a little more attention! for the purist, i did do a small bit of editing (damn you George Lucas!). i eq'ed the tracks slightly and added a little gain (1db). bob.
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http://www.archive.org/details/tr3_2008-03-01.mkh8040.flac16
24 bit tomorrow :)
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http://www.archive.org/details/tr3_2008-03-01.mkh8040.flac16
24 bit tomorrow :)
Thanks Crumbo! ;)
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24 bit :)
http://www.archive.org/details/tr3_2008-03-01.mkh8040.flac24
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http://www.archive.org/details/tr3_2008-03-01.mkh8040.flac16
24 bit tomorrow :)
nice sounding recording, pretty transparent and uncolored sounding mics these new Sennheisers are
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hey
A
how did the comp come out?
how was you B'day ! ?
both great I hope!
can't wait to hear about it, and hopefully hear it!
peace
-- Ian
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hey
A
how did the comp come out?
how was you B'day ! ?
both great I hope!
can't wait to hear about it, and hopefully hear it!
peace
-- Ian
Ian
As I posted.. I sold the tix as they said they were not allowing taping... F'them at the last minute changing policy after selling tapers tix...
Did not go did not record.. Birthday Sucked...
A :P
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hey
A
how did the comp come out?
how was you B'day ! ?
both great I hope!
can't wait to hear about it, and hopefully hear it!
peace
-- Ian
Ian
As I posted.. I sold the tix as they said they were not allowing taping... F'them at the last minute changing policy after selling tapers tix...
Did not go did not record.. Birthday Sucked...
A :P
Oh I did not realize they changed their policy...Damn them...
no taping?
weird!
and that you sold the tix ... my bad...
sorry you B'day sucked...
hope you are all well now..
and pick another day to celebrate!
have fun everyday!
peace
-- Ian
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I am working on my first real recording with my 8040's right now... I was able to get out to the Belly Up and see Shawn Mullins do a Solo Acoustic show on St Patty's day.
I am listening while it is normalized etc...
Sound is really good - I am very pleased with the mics and overall sound.
I will post some samples in a day or so.
CQBert
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I am working on my first real recording with my 8040's right now... I was able to get out to the Belly Up and see Shawn Mullins do a Solo Acoustic show on St Patty's day.
I am listening while it is normalized etc...
Sound is really good - I am very pleased with the mics and overall sound.
I will post some samples in a day or so.
CQBert
I'd love to hear that recording when you're finished in post...
Hey did anyone open for Mullins?
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Some chick... taped her ... not bad...
Do you want it... I will burn it for you if you choose..
CQBert
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I sent my Senns to Louie for him to use for a few weeks, so you guys should have some nice recordings to choose from :)
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Some chick... taped her ... not bad...
Do you want it... I will burn it for you if you choose..
CQBert
:P
Was it Pieta Brown?
It's Greg Brown's daughter...Worked with her a couple times a few years back.
Yeah I'd love to hear it!
PM sent
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It was her... pm coming back...
CQBert
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has anyone heard anything about the remote cables
ordered mine back in december, was told late jan/early feb at the latest
march is 2/3 done and I don't even have an answer on when they may even be in
kinda frustrating
???
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I sent my Senns to Louie for him to use for a few weeks, so you guys should have some nice recordings to choose from :)
Thanks Crumbo! I can't wait to run them. Will try to tape at least 4 times next week.
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I sent my Senns to Louie for him to use for a few weeks, so you guys should have some nice recordings to choose from :)
Thanks Crumbo! I can't wait to run them. Will try to tape at least 4 times next week.
hey thanx to both of you!
thats awesome!
can't wait to hear 'em
-- Ian
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Hey
Pulled a recording @ the lucky cat in Brooklyn NY on 3/15/08... Real small bar.. Great funk band I think you will be hearing from: The New York Funk Exchange...
Small small room.. Senn 8040st > V3 > Korg MR-1000 > DFF 1bit > Wav 24/96 > Wavelab > R8Brian Pro > TLH Flac
Mics on the pole 8ft up 15 ft from stage DFC... That was on the back wall ROFL
Very minimal edit on this. Just bump in levels
Check it out....
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rd5wdz (http://www.sendspace.com/file/rd5wdz)
A :D
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Groovesect
2008-3-21
Le Bon Temps
New Orleans, LA
MKH8040>V3>MTII 16/44.1
Stand at 7' ~ 10' from stage
Taped and transferred by: NOLAfishwater louie.liokis @ gmail.com
Tracking & Fades applied in Sony Sounforge 8.0
groovesect.com
Nick Krawitz (Keys)
Danny Abel (Guitar)
Eric Vogel (Bass)
Colin Davis (Drums)
Tim Sullivan (Saxophone)
Alfred "Uganda" Roberts (Percussion)
Here is one track: http://www.sendspace.com/file/v8j4ey
Vocals, Sax, & Percussion through the PA. The rest through their own amps. PA is pretty crappy in the room. It is extremely small with a concrete floor.
Will be upping the whole show as soon as the setlist is complete
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http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=514317
Groovesect
2008-3-21
Le Bon Temps
New Orleans, LA
Sennheiser MKH8040ST>V3>MTII 16/44.1
Stand at 7' ~ 10' from stage
Taped and transferred by: NOLAfishwater louie.liokis @ gmail.com
Tracking & Fades applied in Sony Sounforge 8.0
**Big Thanks to Crumbo for use of the Sennheiser MKH8040ST**
groovesect.com
Nick Krawitz (Keys)
Danny Abel (Guitar)
Eric Vogel (Bass)
Colin Davis (Drums)
Tim Sullivan (Saxophone)
Alfred "Uganda" Roberts (Percussion)
_1st SET_
Disc 1
1.Windjammer (Grant Green)
2.Froak Street
3.Covington
4.One Cup
5.On The Brim
6.Can't You Give Me Some More (Fred Wesley)
Disc 2
1.Tchoup It Up
2.Mr. Magic (Grover Washington)
3.Space Doc
4.Rootdown (Jimmy Smith)
5.Locked Out
_2nd SET_
Disc 3
1.Butter Sauce
2.Movin On
3.Cold Beef
4.Look A Py Py (Meters)
5.Chameleon (Herbie Hancock)
6.Make It Funky (James Brown)
7.Red Hot Mama (P-Funk)
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Thanks, interesting torrent!
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has anyone heard anything about the remote cables
ordered mine back in december, was told late jan/early feb at the latest
march is 2/3 done and I don't even have an answer on when they may even be in
kinda frustrating
???
my cables are in and ready to ship
BUT
they are the wrong length
special ordered a pair of 5 meter cables, was told it wouldn't be an issue, it just might take a little longer and now I'm being told it may not be able to be done at all :(
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special ordered a pair of 5 meter cables, was told it wouldn't be an issue, it just might take a little longer and now I'm being told it may not be able to be done at all :(
The brochure *does* clearly say "other lengths to special order" so it *is* possible.
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special ordered a pair of 5 meter cables, was told it wouldn't be an issue, it just might take a little longer and now I'm being told it may not be able to be done at all :(
The brochure *does* clearly say "other lengths to special order" so it *is* possible.
yep, which is why I ordered 5 meter cables....3 meters is too short for some of the shows I do and I'll never need 10 meter cables :lol:
almost 5 months to even get the cables and there aren't the correct ones >:(
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Well I've been on the hunt for DPAs recently, but these mics intrigue me. Can anyone point me to a show where these mics really shine? I'm listening to Crumbo's TR3 tape and it's nice. But wow me, people. Wow me!
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Crumbo - teach them a lesson.... call your CC company and dispute the charges...
I am still waiting for the mythical Shock Mount!
CQBert
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Crumbo - teach them a lesson.... call your CC company and dispute the charges...
I am still waiting for the mythical Shock Mount!
CQBert
the dealer is trying to work something out :-\
I was told the shockmounts are shipping now too (I didn't order any)
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I will inquire on mine...
I too want 5m cables... let me know how it turns out for you...
Cheers!!
CQBert
** if they did not sound so damm nice I would have sent them back!
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special ordered a pair of 5 meter cables, was told it wouldn't be an issue, it just might take a little longer and now I'm being told it may not be able to be done at all :(
The brochure *does* clearly say "other lengths to special order" so it *is* possible.
yep, which is why I ordered 5 meter cables....3 meters is too short for some of the shows I do and I'll never need 10 meter cables :lol:
almost 5 months to even get the cables and there aren't the correct ones >:(
I just gave my contact in the factory in Germany a ring about this.
There is no problem at all with special lengths - they just take a little longer than normal and there is a price to be calculated. They are made specially for you at the factory.
So - it looks as if either the error was:- your dealer not making it clear that this was a special - a mis-order from Sennheiser USA to the factory, or the factory mis-reading the order.
Unfortunate for you, I'm afraid.
But it definately *can* be done and should be easily sorted.
In fact, I think a 5m cable would be quite popular, myself.
I hope this helps.
(If you do have real problems with this, send me a PM with all the details - I know people at both Sennheiser USA and Sennheiser Germany and can bring it to the attention of the people who need to know).
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+T John
thanks a ton for the update!
I will be in touch if I can't get this resolved :)
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thanks a ton for the update! - I will be in touch if I can't get this resolved :)
No probs - in fact, after seeing CQBert's post, I sent a note to my contact in Germany and suggested it might be a good idea for them to make up a small batch of 5m cables as they will need 4 for you two anyway.
I hope it works out OK - I will place my own order for 8020s and 8040s soon and I will need remote cables as well (but I am also trying to get them to do the Y-cable so I can run two heads down the same remote cable as all cables and extension tubes are stereo enabled).
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i just got to hold these mics in my hands and they are tiny. actives would be overkill IMO. a set of stubby xlr's, kwon-type bar, 1 shockmount, and a windtech is seriously low-pro. they also sound great.
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So - no one has a show to recommend where these mics really smoke??? I'm getting quotes on a new set right now, but I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger yet.
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NOLAfishwater recorded moe. 3.31.08 from the pocket at the HoB in nola. he will probably have it up soon.
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http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=514317
Groovesect
2008-3-21
Le Bon Temps
New Orleans, LA
Sennheiser MKH8040ST>V3>MTII 16/44.1
Stand at 7' ~ 10' from stage
Taped and transferred by: NOLAfishwater louie.liokis @ gmail.com
Tracking & Fades applied in Sony Sounforge 8.0
**Big Thanks to Crumbo for use of the Sennheiser MKH8040ST**
groovesect.com
Nick Krawitz (Keys)
Danny Abel (Guitar)
Eric Vogel (Bass)
Colin Davis (Drums)
Tim Sullivan (Saxophone)
Alfred "Uganda" Roberts (Percussion)
_1st SET_
Disc 1
1.Windjammer (Grant Green)
2.Froak Street
3.Covington
4.One Cup
5.On The Brim
6.Can't You Give Me Some More (Fred Wesley)
Disc 2
1.Tchoup It Up
2.Mr. Magic (Grover Washington)
3.Space Doc
4.Rootdown (Jimmy Smith)
5.Locked Out
_2nd SET_
Disc 3
1.Butter Sauce
2.Movin On
3.Cold Beef
4.Look A Py Py (Meters)
5.Chameleon (Herbie Hancock)
6.Make It Funky (James Brown)
7.Red Hot Mama (P-Funk)
here is a show that sounded good. the torrent is still up and active.
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So - no one has a show to recommend where these mics really smoke??? I'm getting quotes on a new set right now, but I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger yet.
here is a sample from a TriFuncta show. The band has not yet given me the o.k. to post the show, so this is all I can up from this show.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/u0bvia
Trifuncta
Blue Nile
New Orleans, LA
2008-3-26
1st Set: AKG463>V3>MTII 16/44.1
2nd Set: Sennheiser MKH8040ST>V3>MTII 16/44.1
Stand at 9.5', 2' LOC, ~45 from stage
DISC 1
1st Set
1.Chank (John Scoefield)
2.Naturally Selective
3.Playin in the Yard (Sonny Rollins)
4.Cousin Miles
5.Around the Corner
6.Spritual (Charlie Hayden)
7.Hotentot (John Scoefield)
DISC 2
1.Friday Night at the Caddilac Club (Bob Berg)
2.Hangin on Frenchmen Street
2nd Set
3.What Was That?
4.Funk in G (Carl Burnett)
5.Jambone
6.Sticks (Cannonball Adderly)
7.Lower Nine Time
8.Where We Goin?
Wayne Maureau-Drums
Mike Lemmler-Keys
Mike Vila-Guitar
www.trifuncta.com
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Pulled moe. on 3/31 at HOB (Dre and My birthday show) and Dragon Smoke on 3/29 at Tipitinas
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Ordered a set yesterday. Should be here next week. First show will be the Family Trucksters (local blues rock band) next Saturday, followed by Mraz the week after. Can't wait! ;D
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Well I got 'em, and they're tiny little buggers! Anyone heard anything on their custom length remote cables? I'm getting a quote on a set (5m) now.
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I have asked anyone who will listen.... I want custom length of 5m...
What I am told is that nobody has a correct price ??? - is it a 10M price ???? nobody will give me a firm price... then nobody will place an order unless I commit to buying the longer cable with a promise that it will not be that much :o :o... then nobody has a commitment on when it can be made but under no circumstance will they order without payment in advance since it is a custom item :P :P..
I say F@#$ Sennheiser for being bastards... this is not that hard... they have had my money since last year for shock mounts and not even offered an explanation let alone an apology for not shipping them.. apparently they may ship on 4-28 :-\
I told my dealer... I will pay when they can commit to a firm price and a delivery date... :banging head: :banging head:
CQBert....
If you think I am frustrated you guessed correctly... :help:
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Ouch. Well I'll let you know how my experience goes - I'm told my dealer will have an answer from Germany in the morning.
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Please pass on the info as soon as you get it.. I am tired of a runaround that is approaching 6 months...
Thanks John!!
Enjoy the new toys!!
CQBert
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I have asked anyone who will listen.... I want custom length of 5m...
What I am told is that nobody has a correct price ??? - is it a 10M price ???? nobody will give me a firm price... then nobody will place an order unless I commit to buying the longer cable with a promise that it will not be that much :o :o... then nobody has a commitment on when it can be made but under no circumstance will they order without payment in advance since it is a custom item :P :P..
I say F@#$ Sennheiser for being bastards... this is not that hard... they have had my money since last year for shock mounts and not even offered an explanation let alone an apology for not shipping them.. apparently they may ship on 4-28 :-\
I told my dealer... I will pay when they can commit to a firm price and a delivery date... :banging head: :banging head:
CQBert....
If you think I am frustrated you guessed correctly... :help:
Hi CQBert,
If you are in the USA please drop me an email at mpappas (at) sennheiserusa (dot) com with all of the details (dealer information and what you ordered or need a quote on and the date) and I will look into it and get right back to you.
Best regards,
Mike Pappas
Senior Applications Engineer
Sennheiser USA
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I have asked anyone who will listen.... I want custom length of 5m...
What I am told is that nobody has a correct price ??? - is it a 10M price ???? nobody will give me a firm price... then nobody will place an order unless I commit to buying the longer cable with a promise that it will not be that much :o :o... then nobody has a commitment on when it can be made but under no circumstance will they order without payment in advance since it is a custom item :P :P..
I say F@#$ Sennheiser for being bastards... this is not that hard... they have had my money since last year for shock mounts and not even offered an explanation let alone an apology for not shipping them.. apparently they may ship on 4-28 :-\
I told my dealer... I will pay when they can commit to a firm price and a delivery date... :banging head: :banging head:
CQBert....
If you think I am frustrated you guessed correctly... :help:
Hi CQBert,
If you are in the USA please drop me an email at mpappas (at) sennheiserusa (dot) com with all of the details (dealer information and what you ordered or need a quote on and the date) and I will look into it and get right back to you.
Best regards,
Mike Pappas
Senior Applications Engineer
Sennheiser USA
do you mind if I do the same? :)
I haven't heard back from my dealer in a week :-\
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Hi CQBert,
If you are in the USA please drop me an email at mpappas (at) sennheiserusa (dot) com with all of the details (dealer information and what you ordered or need a quote on and the date) and I will look into it and get right back to you.
Best regards,
Mike Pappas
Senior Applications Engineer
Sennheiser USA
Mike, thanks so much for checking this board and helping us out!
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Hi CQBert,
If you are in the USA please drop me an email at mpappas (at) sennheiserusa (dot) com with all of the details (dealer information and what you ordered or need a quote on and the date) and I will look into it and get right back to you.
Best regards,
Mike Pappas
Senior Applications Engineer
Sennheiser USA
Talk about good service
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Hi CQBert,
If you are in the USA please drop me an email at mpappas (at) sennheiserusa (dot) com with all of the details (dealer information and what you ordered or need a quote on and the date) and I will look into it and get right back to you.
Best regards,
Mike Pappas
Senior Applications Engineer
Sennheiser USA
Talk about good service
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6 +T's
thanks a good percentage! I hope he can help.
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I hope he can help.
Of course he can - he's one of the good guys.
I let him know as soon as I saw CQBert's post, as I know he *can* do something.
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+T to all... Especially Mike Pappas..
Email headed to him...
I will keep the board posted.
Thanks to all for pushing this envelope to what appears to be a resolution...
CQBert
Email has been sent... asked him if we purchased 5pr of the 5m cables if we could get a deal... waiting to hear back..
Those in need... please keep a lookout!!
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glad to see that a sennheiser rep is helping out
I really want a pair of theses, had my taxes done today and just found out I owe the Feds about $1300 in tax dollars... $$ I barely (don't really ) have... and the state like $265...
so
If all goes well may be next year...
or if I'm lucky I can pick some up in the yard sale :) lol
I know a 3M remote cable seems like a good Idea and that's the lenght I'd want (aside from a 2meter cable)
they should just manufacture the things.
glad to hear we (you all) may get some action to what is needed
let us know how things transpire
-- Ian
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http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=514561
moe. 2008-3-31 HOB NOLA MKH8040ST
Thanks Crumbo
man they are warm sounding. The mics were positioned at about 7' so maybe that is why they picked up so much bass.
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nice!
I downloaded that last night but haven't listened to it yet
I've noticed these mics pick up wicked bass but, to me at least, it seems smoother than the schoeps in that aspect
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+T to all... Especially Mike Pappas..
Email headed to him...
I will keep the board posted.
Thanks to all for pushing this envelope to what appears to be a resolution...
CQBert
Email has been sent... asked him if we purchased 5pr of the 5m cables if we could get a deal... waiting to hear back..
Those in need... please keep a lookout!!
You had any updates? I'm supposed to have my quote by Friday, and I'm told that once I get it it will be a lot quicker to actually get the material...
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He has not responded to email or a voice message left.
My dealer is once again pushing Senn for answers and not getting anywhere..
I will call again when I have a free moment or two today..
CQBert
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Crumbo, Thanks again for the use of the Senns. I taped Son Volt last night, but don't think I am going to up it due to the fact that I thought it was a bad mix and a bit chatty. Gonna up Dragon Smoke today. Link to come.
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Here we go.... Update...
My dealer had lunch with one of the Senn National Guys and explained what has been happening.
I have been asked to provide a letter highlighting my issues to go back to Germany...
I will cover the points professionally while still communicating the frustrations of the purchase process surrounding the accessories that go with these new mics.
Progress is slow but steady...
Stay tuned.
CQBert
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You should demand 5 pairs of the 5m remote cables as compensation for your delays. >:D
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I have not gone that far but I am well aware that there are 5 people here ready to jump if I can strike a deal...
Will do what I can.
John - have you been out with them yet?
CQBErt
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Yeah, did a local gig last Saturday. The room was awful, the only place to set up was on the stack, but the band wasn't running everything through the PA. So I had one mic on the stack for vocals, the other pointed towards the stage for guitars, bass, and drums.
I was actually surprised at how not-bad it sounded, though. ;)
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Cool... hopefully next time you are out you will get a better opportunity to let them shine..
CQBert
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Yeah Saturday I have Mraz at the Norva, which has a kickass system. Should make for a good tape.
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Here we go.... Update...
My dealer had lunch with one of the Senn National Guys and explained what has been happening.
I have been asked to provide a letter highlighting my issues to go back to Germany...
I will cover the points professionally while still communicating the frustrations of the purchase process surrounding the accessories that go with these new mics.
Progress is slow but steady...
Stay tuned.
CQBert
thanks!
and thanks to John and Mike for offering to help also :)
now here comes my rant
I'm not really sure what Sennheiser actually needs from us. I ordered custom made cables (5 meters) back in December and paid for them at that time. I was told that custom made 5 meter cables wouldn't be an issue, I would just have to pay the cost of 10 meter cables and a $35 custom order fee and it would delay my order arriving to late Jan/early Feb.
I was told a couple of weeks ago that my cables arrived in the USA but they were 10 meter cables, not the 5 meter cables I ordered and have already paid for. At this point I can't even get a straight answer on when or if I'm even going to get my 5 meter cables that I ordered.
All I'm looking for at this point is a straight answer from someone :)
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I have just heard back from Mike Pappas...
They are all at NAB currently... I was promised an answer by Monday...
My Dealer is working with his bosses...
We will get this resolved!! :sick:
CQBert
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I cant wait to hear some damn Senn 8040>7xx recordings :) Are the Hypers and omnis even available yet or did they just produce the cards thus far so they could release them quicker? This new active system was def a good move by Senn to stay in the game while there are so many new and amazing technical products out there nowadays :)
I def think these have ALOT of potential. I havent heard but one or two recordings w/ these so far tho. I did just d/l NOLAfishwaters 3/31 moe recording. I am going to listen thru FB2K RIGHT NOW while Im thinking about it.
So, I know its not always wise to compare one mic's sound to another's, but Im VERY CURIOUS where you guys think these stand in comparison to the big dawgs we use on a regular basis? Do they have a Schoeps-like sound w/ out the same bottom end? Are they more detailed and natural sounding like MBHO's are? Or do they have their own bite like the AKG 480's do? Or are they just a damn fine and smooth mic ala the Neumann 18x/akxx w/ a warmer tone? Or are they very neutral and almost clinical sounding like teh DPA's are? I know, I know, listen for myself and make my own judgements, but Im just curious what yinz that have actually ahve used them think. Anyone can stream a recording from the LMA and get an idea of how they sound, but you guys are the ones that are at the shows and know how the room sounded that particular nite. Are they neutral and detailed and less forgiving in a shitty room, or are they warmer and smoother and more forgiving?
Thanks in advance guys. The one RRFB(I think thats what show it was), you know, the first one Crumbo did, I thought could have DEFINITELY sounded better, but there are so many variables on any given nite of live location recording like us tapers deal w/ from nite to nite, that I surely cant dismiss them after that one recording. Something just sounded unnatural about them that I couldnt pinpoint. Maybe he ran the HPF on ther v3 or something? I cant remember since its been awhile.
But I like their look and their size is a HUGE PLUS since 'actives' really arent needed since the capsule+body is so damn tiny. I am def not straying away from teh MBHO sound for a LONG TIME, but maybe one day I'll get bacvk into 4-chan recoreding and get a pair of these tiny suckers. Time will tell. Hell, Im still AMAZED that ALOT more of us tapers dont use MB/MBHO's. I mean, I just dont get it. Their capsule selection is maybe only second to Schoeps and they ahve a VERY smooth and detailed sound in such a small package. I have been doing ALOT of listening to my 481/3>722 recordings versus my MBHO Cards/Hypers>722 recordings, and while both sound AMAZING thru my 722, I def have to give the edge to the MBHO's. I never thought Id say that but damnit its the truth in my eyes. Not to mention the smaller size and convenience of running the MBHO's as 'actives' and its super sweet having all 3 KwonBars for teh Ho's(DINa/DIN/NOS) and having EVERYTHING pre-wired and ready to record. I just clamp my clamp to my stand, pop in the screw adapter for my windtech clamp, and hit record and Im done. Its SOOOOO nice having the KA500 caps attached to my DINa KwonBar at ALL TIMES. It makes recording setting up ALOT quicker and also makes transporting everything so easy since the screens are on teh caps, and the caps are attached to the Kwonbar, and the kwonbar is at all times in my Shure a53m donut shock, and my hi ho custom silver 'actives'(mini-xlr's) are always connected to my caps in the kwonbar so I just clamp and hit record. I'll snap pictures tonite actually of my newest bag setup. I got a Mountainsmith Cairn II for free, i just paid shipping. But the 722+MBHO setup fits sooo nicely in there now that I took out my plano bait box and put bubble wrap around my 603 A bodies to slim down on spacve and bulkiness. and since everything in my bag stays connected at ALL TIMES, i can get away w/ that w/ out damaging my 603a bodies.
Id LOVE to see pics of how you guys run the Senn 8040's and the 7xx recorders just to give me some visual pleasure :)
I also think that running 8040>7xx will yield GREAT results. I havent really heard ANY mic that I didnt like thru the 7xx series. Obviously some are better matches than others but overall, the 7xx preamps/ADC are TOP NOTCH IMO and running 3 or 4 diff external preamps before I realized I liked the 7xx preamps better is a sign right there. But enough fluffing the 7xx. I think its a very detailed yet warmish sounding preamp/ADC and should def be a good comparison to give you an idea of the 8040's characteristics and overall sound since alot of us have heard EVERY MIC>7xx. I also think that its pretty dope that at least 3 of yinz are already running 8040>7xx ;D Go team Sennheiser/Sound Devices ;D
Sorry for the super long post and slight thread highjack and overall fluffing he 7xx and my MBHO's. Id love to hear what yinz have to say about the 8040>7xx sound tho. Now get your asses out there and start recording so I can hear some samples damnit ;D 8)
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Are the Hypers and omnis even available yet or did they just produce the cards thus far so they could release them quicker? This new active system was def a good move by Senn to stay in the game while there are so many new and amazing technical products out there nowadays :)
Yes the hypers and omnis*are* available - they were released at the came time as the cardioids.
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I got my Sennheiser shock mount for my 8040 in finally. Now I have to have a job that requires it, so I can really test it out.
Wayne
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Bean -
Right now I'm running a "temp" setup until I can get my remote cables. Ideally I'd like to be running similarly to you - everything pretty much set up and ready to go in the bag. I really want to use the Kwon bars as well. Right now I have an AKG stereo bar with each mic in a Shure A53m. I've only run with them once and I'm not real fond of that stereo bar. I'll give you some pictures and a bit more detail come Sunday (have a show at a venue I know well on Saturday).
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Bean -
Right now I'm running a "temp" setup until I can get my remote cables. Ideally I'd like to be running similarly to you - everything pretty much set up and ready to go in the bag. I really want to use the Kwon bars as well. Right now I have an AKG stereo bar with each mic in a Shure A53m. I've only run with them once and I'm not real fond of that stereo bar. I'll give you some pictures and a bit more detail come Sunday (have a show at a venue I know well on Saturday).
+T, Thanks alot John! Well, both John's actually :)
Yeah, if you can get the KwonBars to work w/ them, your be all set. Youd just need (1) Shure A53M donut and the DINa and DIN KwonBars and youd be good to go. If it works w/ the KwonBars(which ones are you going to try? The Neumann or the Schoeps or the MBHO ones?) if I were you, I'd get all 3 of them(DINa/DIN/NOS) so you could try diff things and be ready for any situation. I never thought Id use teh NOS bar w/ hypers, but i was def impressed, and I will be doing that ALOT MORE when Im very close to the stage. Most folks would run Cards or Subcards in DIN or NOS, but being the hyper freak I am, I run hypers in those close FOB sweet spots, as long as im not too close :) Its funny, because alot of the time when I setup w/ other tapers, I often hear them talking to one another saying that youd have to be crazy to run hypers that close(RAQ NYE 2006 at the Visulite on the first drink rail comes to mind) and I must say, I wouldve have ratehr ran ny other capsules those 2 nites, and the recordings have been highly praised by RAQ fan since Jan 1st, 2007 :) So dont be arfrad to try diff things. If I listened to other tapers all of the time like alot of tapers do, I would have never discovered the beauty of running hypers/FOB, where everyone else runs cards or subcards :)
So, how much are pairs of the hypers and omnis? Are they realistic, or are they like $1,500.00/pair? Im still wondering what KwonBar youre going to try to use. I wish the Cascademedia.net was stilla round. Thats the only place to get them short of dealing directly w/ Robert, but you could at least get a visual for your idea. I think the Neumann ones would work because of the way they are slotted and how they sit back in the kwonbar, whereas the schoeps and MBHO ones, the capsules sit at the face of the kwonbar and sit flush w/ that, instead of sitting back into teh kwonbar like teh Neumann ones do! Good luck my friend. I saure hope you can get that to work. Dealing w/ just ONE (1) TINY shure a53m and (3) KwonBars is SOOOO much easier than anything I was used to w/ my 480's ;D I keep the caps on teh DINA bar and the DIN and NOS bars stash easil;y in my Mountainsmith Cairn II.
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Bean -
Right now I'm running a "temp" setup until I can get my remote cables. Ideally I'd like to be running similarly to you - everything pretty much set up and ready to go in the bag. I really want to use the Kwon bars as well. Right now I have an AKG stereo bar with each mic in a Shure A53m. I've only run with them once and I'm not real fond of that stereo bar. I'll give you some pictures and a bit more detail come Sunday (have a show at a venue I know well on Saturday).
+T, Thanks alot John! Well, both John's actually :)
Yeah, if you can get the KwonBars to work w/ them, your be all set. Youd just need (1) Shure A53M donut and the DINa and DIN KwonBars and youd be good to go. If it works w/ the KwonBars(which ones are you going to try? The Neumann or the Schoeps or the MBHO ones?) if I were you, I'd get all 3 of them(DINa/DIN/NOS) so you could try diff things and be ready for any situation. I never thought Id use teh NOS bar w/ hypers, but i was def impressed, and I will be doing that ALOT MORE when Im very close to the stage. Most folks would run Cards or Subcards in DIN or NOS, but being the hyper freak I am, I run hypers in those close FOB sweet spots, as long as im not too close :) Its funny, because alot of the time when I setup w/ other tapers, I often hear them talking to one another saying that youd have to be crazy to run hypers that close(RAQ NYE 2006 at the Visulite on the first drink rail comes to mind) and I must say, I wouldve have ratehr ran ny other capsules those 2 nites, and the recordings have been highly praised by RAQ fan since Jan 1st, 2007 :) So dont be arfrad to try diff things. If I listened to other tapers all of the time like alot of tapers do, I would have never discovered the beauty of running hypers/FOB, where everyone else runs cards or subcards :)
So, how much are pairs of the hypers and omnis? Are they realistic, or are they like $1,500.00/pair? Im still wondering what KwonBar youre going to try to use. I wish the Cascademedia.net was stilla round. Thats the only place to get them short of dealing directly w/ Robert, but you could at least get a visual for your idea. I think the Neumann ones would work because of the way they are slotted and how they sit back in the kwonbar, whereas the schoeps and MBHO ones, the capsules sit at the face of the kwonbar and sit flush w/ that, instead of sitting back into teh kwonbar like teh Neumann ones do! Good luck my friend. I saure hope you can get that to work. Dealing w/ just ONE (1) TINY shure a53m and (3) KwonBars is SOOOO much easier than anything I was used to w/ my 480's ;D I keep the caps on teh DINA bar and the DIN and NOS bars stash easil;y in my Mountainsmith Cairn II.
I haven't worked it out yet, mostly because I don't have the cables yet. I plan on working with Robert to see which ones they'll fit in, but I haven't talked to him about it yet. I was hoping I could either send him the cables or he could send me some samples of each kind to see which one(s) worked. If they do work I plan on getting all three.
And I'm not sure you can order just the "caps." But since the caps are really the entire mic anyway (minus an XLR adapter) I'm not sure there'd be much if any discount over ordering a new stereo set...
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And I'm not sure you can order just the "caps." But since the caps are really the entire mic anyway (minus an XLR adapter) I'm not sure there'd be much if any discount over ordering a new stereo set...
Yes - you *can* get the microphone heads on their own - MKHC 8020, MKHC 8040, MKHC 8050 - but they are singles only and not available as stereo sets.
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these are prime candidates for the vark bar
http://www.posthorn.com/Macvk_4.html
I snagged one used in YS and it is perfect and low pro for my AKG caps
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And I'm not sure you can order just the "caps." But since the caps are really the entire mic anyway (minus an XLR adapter) I'm not sure there'd be much if any discount over ordering a new stereo set...
Yes - you *can* get the microphone heads on their own - MKHC 8020, MKHC 8040, MKHC 8050 - but they are singles only and not available as stereo sets.
So without the XLR adapter then? How much of a savings are we talking?
I was only guessing with my post - it just makes sense to me that since the caps contain all of the circuitry that they also contain all of the price. ;)
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