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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2013, 11:06:39 PM »
With mics, through line-in--not internal mics--I find my left channel a little hotter, at least according to the meter. But whether that is the mics, the battery box or the PCM-M10 is completely unknown. It could be happening anywhere in the chain, and it has nothing to do with internal mics.

Meanwhile, in playback, I don't hear it. This is probably one of those things that instruments can detect but humans needn't bother themselves about.

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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2013, 05:00:21 AM »
It seems the recorder will not arrive before the show. If it does however, having a seat (third row centre) how should I hold/ place the recorder for best sound? In my hands or put it on my legs?

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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2013, 10:03:10 AM »
The microphones are on the upper corners--you'll see them. The higher up they are, the better, since there are fewer bodies blocking the sound. Put your ears at lap level sometime during a concert and you'll hear the difference.

But in your hands could mean handling noise, so better to keep it still somehow. It's made to lie on its back on a table; there are little rubber feet.

The PCM-M10 does have a place for a strap (lower right) and there's a strap in the package, so conceivably you could hang it (upside down) around your neck, or hang it from something. It also has a threaded hole on the back for a tripod mount.

The internal mics are omnis, which means that you have some flexibility about where you place them--they don't have to be pointed directly at the sound source. Wherever it sounds good to your ears is where it should be.  But you'd probably get a decent recording even from your lap.

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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2013, 03:19:52 PM »
Buy external mics and a battery box. you'll thank me later ;) Church Audio CA14[Cardioids/Omnis]>Battery Box>M10 is a killer rig for the price :) In fact, check this comp out I made a few weeks back ;) Schoeps mk41 vs. CA14 mics!!!!

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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2013, 04:10:33 PM »
So, recorded first gig with M10 and I'm disappointed!

Recording level 2
Manual record settings
No Low cut filter

Sitting on second row centre, cinema style seats, Bryan's speaker just in front of me and the person in front of me.

Recorder placed between my legs, lying on my seat with mics facing the back back of the seat which was in front of me.

Recording is "wolly" and bas heavy. Needs bas reduction and some mid and treble added.

Using Audacity, what stages should I go through to improve the sound?

Step by step guide appreciated.

http://www.ng-translations.dk/Bryan%20Adams%202013%20TS%20sample.mp3

Alos, the recording levels (meter) of the internals seemed a little uneven at times, however, still much better than my ECM 719 mic.

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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2013, 12:22:54 PM »
Recorder placed between my legs, lying on my seat with mics facing the back back of the seat which was in front of me.

I would think this is at least part of the reason you are disappointed.  It will sound a lot better if you get the mics up higher (with a clear line-of-sight to the sound source)...

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Re: Newbiw to get new gear- what to get for a max of 300 euros?
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2013, 01:58:42 PM »
Recorder placed between my legs, lying on my seat with mics facing the back back of the seat which was in front of me.

I would think this is at least part of the reason you are disappointed.  It will sound a lot better if you get the mics up higher (with a clear line-of-sight to the sound source)...


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Try to place the recorder somewhere around your ears' height (as if you wore the recorder mounted on a hat or something)... It will sound heaps better.
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