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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2024, 10:20:14 AM »
Really like the sound from
Shows with the - Neumann KM184.

Sounds like that's your answer, if you want to follow your ears. That connection to a certain sound is the personal subjective part that's hard to quantify.  A new pair is right at your stated budget.  Can probably find a secondhand pair for less. 

Also IMO, the form factor of the 184s has practical benefits for audience taping as an end-address "pencil" condenser in comparison to side-address large-diaphragm microphones.  The 414's are great mics that are smaller than many other side-address LD's but will still be considerably more bulky and visually imposing up on on a stand than a pair of end-address mics.  It is nice to have the switchable pattern options of the 414s available to you though. 

There are also a number of other end-address small-diaphragm microphone options in your price range you might consider, such as the DPAs Jbell linked, but if its the Neumann sound that grabs your ear, that seems the obvious answer.
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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2024, 12:52:00 PM »
AKG C414 XLII

Or

AKG C414 XLS ST

i always thought that the XLII was more suited for vocals with a midrange bump and the XLS is flatter, which I assume means that the XLS might be a little better fit for our hobby?

curious if others feel the same way.
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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2024, 01:32:09 PM »
Since you are asking.  I will give you my opinion.  I have had the Neumann skm184 mics in the past.  They look great and the small form factor is a plus.  However, I prefer the sound of the DPA 2012 for the same price (and even smaller size).  That said, the Telefunken M60 pair is a no-brainer since they likely sound the best of the 3 pairs, and have interchangeable capsules (cardioid, hypercardioid, omni) so you can upgrade or mix & match. 

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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2024, 01:43:25 PM »
Further, I preferred the sound of my Neuman TLM102 mics over my SKM184 pair.  They are the same price and both fixed cardioid pattern.  The TLM 102 is a very small footprint LD mic.  If size is not a primary factor, I would look into the 102's over the 184's.

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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2024, 04:45:26 PM »
I got a set of XLSs from them last year. Unfortunately one was a dud and when I returned them they were out of stock, so had to get a refund. Found a set on Ebay a little later and love them. I have also had had a set of unmatched KM140s for almost 20 years and they are my go to mics. Personally, I do not care too much if mics are matched, or not. Although it is a little nicer.

I am considering a set of M60s, but I like the sound of the omni caps, split better, from what I have heard of the other caps.

In my opinion, the Neumanns are the most "colored" of the bunch. The C414s are the most versatile, having the vast variety of patterns, aside from the four, there are also in between patterns. I doubt you would be disappointed with any of the mics mentioned here.

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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2024, 11:27:38 PM »
Follow up. Buying first matched pair. Budget is $1500. Using a Zoom F8 Pro.

Really like the sound from
Shows with the - Neumann KM184.

Also looking at these. How about the following. Just a little over $1500 -

AKG C414 XLII
https://www.proaudiostar.com/akg-c414-xlii-matched-pair-used-customer-return.html?utm_source=Google_Shopping&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD6Dg9i6U9qvsa_IxJ-1Jp8WsB0V6&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8Oe42duXhwMVnYbCCB0XMQDHEAQYASABEgJR3vD_BwE

Or

AKG C414 XLS ST
https://www.proaudiostar.com/akg-c414-xls-st-akg-direct-b-stock.html?utm_source=Google_Shopping&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD6Dg9i6U9qvsa_IxJ-1Jp8WsB0V6&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8Oe42duXhwMVnYbCCB0XMQDHEAQYAyABEgIfg_D_BwE

Thank you!

I demo'd both the S and XLII and wound up buying a studio set of old 414 B-ULS's. You would have to pry these from my cold dead hands..Absolutely beautiful sounding mics and much flatter and warmer than either by a long shot. They RARELY see any use outdoors or sloppy bars. Mainly studio or intimate shows..a few bluegrass shows here and there.

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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2024, 09:55:47 AM »
Don't forget to budget for a mic bar, cables, clips, stand, wind screens, shocks, clamp(s), extension pole, batteries, gear bag, etc. A lot of mics come with clips and light screens, and some also include shocks. Even then there is still a lot of stuff to accumulate!

Also, if you have never open taped before, maybe someone in your vicinity can loan you a pair of mics to give it a try. It's not for everybody, as you have to schlep all of the gear, contact artists (sometimes), and deal with venue staff, plus all of the befuddled masses stumbling around while you have several thousand dollars worth of mics perched on your stand. A lot of people, myself included, enjoy it, but I know others that strongly prefer to stealth...

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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2024, 01:34:42 PM »

If you like the sound from the Neumann KM184 then my vote is to go with those. They are fixed pattern cardioids so you wouldn't have the option of multiple patterns but the cardioid pattern is the most versatile IMO.

The KM184 is one of the best mics for taping at a distance due to the slightly enhanced top end (not bright but clear) and rounded off low end response (full but not tubby or bloated).

I just picked up a pair of KM140s - the interchangeable capsule version of the same mic. I had a pair in the past and they always performed well in a variety of situations.
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Re: First mics - matched pair
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2024, 09:55:38 PM »
+1 to Good Cooker. 

Every mike has its own flavor and sound.  Those Neumann's are one of my favorites, and have a deadly accurate sound, as opposed to Schoeps which tend to be a bit bass heavy for some. 

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