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Gear / Technical Help => Post-Processing, Computer / Streaming / Internet Devices & Related Activity => Topic started by: acidjack on February 21, 2009, 10:09:29 AM
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I am trying to rip many of my masters, which were stored on CDR, to digital, but I am encountering a problem. Before the days when I thought about that I might primarily need to use them in a computer, I made paper disc-sized labels for many discs- a painstaking process I now regret. It seems my Dell Inspiron 1520's burner does not like the paper labels. These discs play fine - they even play fine in the computer, I think - but they won't rip. I've tried EAC, CDex, even iTunes. Nothing will rip the whole disc - it always snags and makes a loud clicking noise halfway through.
Since the discs play perfectly fine, my only thoughts are a) to try another computer or b) to get an audio CD duplicator and copy the discs to new CDRs, then rip those CDRs. Any other ideas? Any thoughts on cheap CD dupe devices? The cheapest I've seen is $120 at Amazon.
In some cases, I may be able to get the original DATs, but not likely - heck, the whole point of doing this was to not be using fragile, easily deteriorated DATs!
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Playback is a lot less critical an application than ripping. In playback interpolation is an option. It is not in ripping. First question: does the drive rip any other CD's alright? If not, you have a drive problem.
Cheers
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You could try ripping the discs at a slower speed (1x or 2x). Most ripping programs have that option.
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The drive will rip any CDR fine that does not have a paper label. Occasionally the paper label will work, but it causes more problems.
Do you have any idea whether a non-computer CD-ripper will be able to handle it, whereas a computer can't?
Playback is a lot less critical an application than ripping. In playback interpolation is an option. It is not in ripping. First question: does the drive rip any other CD's alright? If not, you have a drive problem.
Cheers
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I would definitely try a lower speed first, then try as many other computers as you can. The problem isn't the program you're using, it's the drive itself. I'd suggest using a desktop as I would have to think the ventilation on laptop drives is vastly subpar to desktop drives. Think about it, laptops are engineered to be as small and compact as possible, so they probably run a bit hotter because they're in such tight quarters - which in turn does a number on the adhesive between the disc and label, making it unstable and wobbly, therefore harder to read. I wouldn't drop the $120 on a duplicator unless you've exhausted all other free options...
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Thanks. That is my plan ... unfortunately I only have laptops available, but my older laptop is quite a bit sturdier/less crappy than my current one, sadly, so perhaps it will work. I've already tried running EAC at very low speeds, but even that doesn't seem to do the trick.
I would definitely try a lower speed first, then try as many other computers as you can. The problem isn't the program you're using, it's the drive itself. I'd suggest using a desktop as I would have to think the ventilation on laptop drives is vastly subpar to desktop drives. Think about it, laptops are engineered to be as small and compact as possible, so they probably run a bit hotter because they're in such tight quarters - which in turn does a number on the adhesive between the disc and label, making it unstable and wobbly, therefore harder to read. I wouldn't drop the $120 on a duplicator unless you've exhausted all other free options...
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Have you thought to contact the EAC support group? They would be the specialists. 8)
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Where do I locate that? I have not tried that.
Also, I made a few more attempts and made some interesting discoveries. First, discs from others, presumably burned on computer machines, seemed to not cause these problems, even with paper labels. The discs that give the biggest problems are ones that I burned using a professional but audio-based machine, a Marantz CDR630 - which of course burns in real time rather than at multiple speeds.
Second, I found that since I could usually get the first few tracks to work fine, I could rip those tracks, then pause, take the disc out, let the drive cool, and then do a few more. It's a pain, but at least one the disc I tried last night, it worked.
Have you thought to contact the EAC support group? They would be the specialists. 8)
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eac/?yguid=139779692
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The problem is the thickness of the laptop drive. Laptop drives are thinner than desktop drives, thus unable to compensate for your paper shrouded CDs.
Think desktop and Plextor. Plextor make the best the drives out there, and are priced accordingly.
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you might want to invest in an external drive :)
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Think desktop and Plextor. Plextor make the best the drives out there, and are priced accordingly.
That used to be true. But unfortunately, Plextor stopped making their own drives a few years ago. What they are selling right now are mostly rebranded drives by other manufacturers.
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I think EAC has options to extract audio at 1x, 2x, etc but might only go that low with a really old CDROM drive. You might put an old drive in a USB case and get something working that way. I seem to remember the older CDROM's being SCSI.
edit: I checked this out on an older system which has an Teac CDR-58S scsi drive. EAC has an options under File->Drive Options->Offset Speed (tab) (1x, 2x, 4x, 8x, 24x) .
Another option would be to a standalone CD recorder which has an SPDIF output. Patch that to a digital soundcard. (It looks like the Tascam CR-RW750 goes on ebay for about $180.) Pick up something like that, use it for your transfers and then sell it afterwards.
Years ago, one of my CDROM drives had a digital out. It was TTL level, but it would work with a DAT drive over a short cable.