Topic: Mac or Windows?

[Depechemode1993]

ok I know this is not for recording purposes but I have to know. I am going to college next year and I need a laptop. I have been looking at both iBook G4 and a Sony Viaos. can anyone tell me which one you think is better? I will also when I am at school be taping somewhat when I have the time.  So my laptop has to be able to transfer pretty good too. But more importantly they have to be able to do schoolwork. since I am not a Mac guy and my whole family has Windows, can apple computers use microsoft word, excel etc.? I mean if they can do that then the hell with windows. another question is that I have herd apple is more user friendly and interface friendly? Thanks for the input people!

[RRobar]

Ryan, Microsoft makes a version of office 2004 for the mac. Very similar in features (many of which have found their way into the newest version of office for the PC). You know I'm a mac guy and will recomend the iBook. But there will be alot of other input from both sides. I've used both for years and I simply prefer using my mac way more than a windows machine.

[wbrisette]

I am not with bias either (I worked for Apple for 10 years), but with Microsoft Office for Mac, there really isn't a whole lot you do need the PC for EXCEPT specialized software. At the University of Texas the School of Business requires a Windows PC (actually they want you to buy a Dell from them), and part of it you can get by with the iBook for, but there are a few specific titles you must use that they provide that only work on the PC (I forget the specific titles at the moment), which was a big deal to the Apple Reps who worked at U.T.

Mac OS X is based on BSD Unix, and that has helped bring some much needed software to the Mac in the world of academia. However, you really should check with the university you are going to attend and verify with them that if you choose to use an iBook that they don't use software not available for that platform. Some universities are better than others when it comes to accomodating both major desktop platforms (linux is making a dent in the server world, but having used it, I would never run it as a desktop platform. It's great for a server environment though).

Hope this helps.

Wayne

BTW, the rest of my family is Windows based too. The best part is when my dad calls me for tech support I get to tell him to buzz off (actually I usually tell him to call my other brother who helped run a windows IT department for a while), because even if I do know the answer I don't feel like trying to walk him through the hell of windows troubleshooting.

[Depechemode1993]

Thanks guys for the input. I know that where I am going (Wayne State) that they use Mac and they are moving towards it. they only do the discount for the mac computers. so instead of $1200 for the ibook its like $860. which is nice. I probably should ask the admissions counselors about the computer they prefer at the university. I am thinking its mac. 

so with the mac you do not see any difference in the office features? is there any difference in them? thanks again guys.

how about transfering music?  mac?

Ryan
+T

[scb]

there are a ton of mac users here.  we wouldn't be using the macs if they sucked with audio

[Patrick]

With that kind of discount you'd be crazy NOT to get an ibook.  I've had mine for a few months and love it.

[macdaddy]

With that kind of discount you'd be crazy NOT to get an ibook.  I've had mine for a few months and love it.

qft

and it sounds like they are going in the mac direction...

i still havent figured out to track with a mac (like cdwav), but i can do everything else related to audio, no problem....

[Patrick]

i still havent figured out to track with a mac (like cdwav), but i can do everything else related to audio, no problem....

CD Wav is the only program that I really miss when I made the switch over to Apple.  For the time being, I use Audacity, but it is a royal PITA for tracking compared to CD Wav.

[bluegrass_brad]

I actually installed virtual PC  on my apple for just this reason.  I use it to run CDWav to chop up audio files.  Works great for that. 

[macdaddy]

is virtual pc a free program..?

do you have a link..?

+t for oferring a solution. (and a +t for patrick for trying to use audacity for tracking - that is a royal pta, and i wouldnt wish the experience on anyone)...

_____


for ryan's purposes, i think he should go with the mac, and pay through his school.

[bluegrass_brad]

No it's a pay for program.  We initally bought it for my wife to use on her mac to run a couple of research statistic programs.  But since we had it I figured I would give it a shot for CDWav on my G4.  It works just fine.  Its a little slow, but much better than tracking on any mac program (mostly cause Im too lazy to try to learn ).  I also use it to run SMAARTlive sometimes when im doing FOH work. 

[Patrick]

No it's a pay for program.  We initally bought it for my wife to use on her mac to run a couple of research statistic programs.  But since we had it I figured I would give it a shot for CDWav on my G4.  It works just fine.  Its a little slow, but much better than tracking on any mac program (mostly cause Im too lazy to try to learn ).  I also use it to run SMAARTlive sometimes when im doing FOH work. 

I looked into Virtual PC and it didn't seem worth buying it, especially to run one or two programs on it.  Audacity is tough, but you get used to it.  You basically highlight the section that you want to split, and save that selection as a separate wav file, and then delete that highlighted section after saving. 

If anyone has Virtual PC that they would like to share  let me know.  Just to see how it works...

[Depechemode1993]

Yeah when I saw the discount price I really wanted to jump on it. it sucks that CD wav will not work on the mac though... thats how I transfer and track my shows. I use adobe audiiton to edit.

I recently just yesterday discovered iTunes... I should have picked up that program along time ago. what a nice layout. it so much better than Limewire and I can rip all of my CD's to my computer. I feel like I am a caveman of technology...

[macdaddy]

i would use scott brown's program rather than itunes to rip CDs...

how you play them is up to you...

the pspware works nicely with a mac, too (if you have a psp)...

[Depechemode1993]

i would use scott brown's program rather than itunes to rip CDs...

whats that?

[Patrick]

xACT! Encode/Decode flacs, shns, wavs, ogg, ape, and more file formats from/to each other.  Fix SBE's, batch renames, cd extraction, create ffps and shn checksums, designate flac tags for your files and so much more.  It's such a great program and easy to use.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952

Check out the small, but I guess growing section of the archive for more info...http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=51063.0

[Will_S]

Audacity is tough, but you get used to it.  You basically highlight the section that you want to split, and save that selection as a separate wav file, and then delete that highlighted section after saving. 

Sound Studio from felttip.com will let you place multiple markers in a file and then split into tracks in one fell swoop at the end.

You can configure it to avoid SBE's, too.  From etree.org:

For the Mac, there is no direct equivalent of CD Wave. Dave Mallick notes, "[SoundEdit 16] is quite capable of splitting a transferred DAT into tracks. Just set ruler units to frames, set 1 second = 75 frames, and have at it. As long as you enter a whole frame value into your selection box, you get perfect sector boundary cuts every time." This is also the case for [Felt Tip Sound Studio].

[macdaddy]

Audacity is tough, but you get used to it.  You basically highlight the section that you want to split, and save that selection as a separate wav file, and then delete that highlighted section after saving. 

Sound Studio from felttip.com will let you place multiple markers in a file and then split into tracks in one fell swoop at the end.

You can configure it to avoid SBE's, too.  From etree.org:

For the Mac, there is no direct equivalent of CD Wave. Dave Mallick notes, "[SoundEdit 16] is quite capable of splitting a transferred DAT into tracks. Just set ruler units to frames, set 1 second = 75 frames, and have at it. As long as you enter a whole frame value into your selection box, you get perfect sector boundary cuts every time." This is also the case for [Felt Tip Sound Studio].

thank you very much - that is quite useful...

welcome to ts.com... and +T

[Patrick]

Audacity is tough, but you get used to it.  You basically highlight the section that you want to split, and save that selection as a separate wav file, and then delete that highlighted section after saving. 

Sound Studio from felttip.com will let you place multiple markers in a file and then split into tracks in one fell swoop at the end.

You can configure it to avoid SBE's, too.  From etree.org:

For the Mac, there is no direct equivalent of CD Wave. Dave Mallick notes, "[SoundEdit 16] is quite capable of splitting a transferred DAT into tracks. Just set ruler units to frames, set 1 second = 75 frames, and have at it. As long as you enter a whole frame value into your selection box, you get perfect sector boundary cuts every time." This is also the case for [Felt Tip Sound Studio].

Yes, good info.  Thanks!

Now I just need to find that program...

[cpatch]

Others have answered your MS office question, here's my take on the interface question. I've used the Mac for 22 years (since it first came out), Windows for 14 years. I use Windows because I have to (at work). I use the Mac because I want to.

Craig

[Brian Skalinder]

Now I just need to find that program...

Other apps likely allow you to set 1 sec = 75 frames.  I know both Audition and Wavelab do on the PC side, so I bet other apps on the Mac side do, too.

[macdaddy]

Now I just need to find that program...

Other apps likely allow you to set 1 sec = 75 frames.  I know both Audition and Wavelab do on the PC side, so I bet other apps on the Mac side do, too.

is that all there is to it..?

[greenone]

With Sound Studio, go to View>Edit Grid and enter grid lines every 588 samples. Then use the 'snap to grid' feature and every marker you drop should be on a sector boundary.

However, it's just as easy to cut wherever you want and then use the 'fix SBE' tab of xACT to encode to FLAC and align on sector boundaries at the same time - that's what I do. Then use the 'shntool' tab to do a 'show len for fileset' or 'show len by disc' to create the track listing and timing for your info file.

[Patrick]

Now I just need to find that program...

Other apps likely allow you to set 1 sec = 75 frames.  I know both Audition and Wavelab do on the PC side, so I bet other apps on the Mac side do, too.

I know, I am just sick of cutting my wav's with Audacity.  I need some markers that I can drop on the waveform!

[RRobar]

Sound STudio is not that much money. I like the program alot. As others have said, very easy to mark tracks and split. If you don't feel like setting teh preference to cut properly to avoid SBE's, then run them through xACT really quick. It's not that hard at all. I tried audacity and found it to be lacking.

[Krispy D]

Sound STudio is not that much money. I like the program alot. As others have said, very easy to mark tracks and split. If you don't feel like setting teh preference to cut properly to avoid SBE's, then run them through xACT really quick. It's not that hard at all. I tried audacity and found it to be lacking.

amen. 

sound studio is where it's at for a user friendly inexpensive app

[Zaphod]

Sound STudio is not that much money. I like the program alot. As others have said, very easy to mark tracks and split. If you don't feel like setting teh preference to cut properly to avoid SBE's, then run them through xACT really quick. It's not that hard at all. I tried audacity and found it to be lacking.

amen. 

sound studio is where it's at for a user friendly inexpensive app

Anyone have any links to buy Sound Studio? Or is it available at most software stores?

[Will_S]

Anyone have any links to buy Sound Studio? Or is it available at most software stores?

http://www.felttip.com/

You can download it here and try it out as a demo before buying a license.

It also used to come as bundled software on some Macs, maybe it still does come with certain models?  I'm pretty sure it came with my G4/466 a few years ago.  I'm not sure about the transferabilty of licenses on bundled software but you might know someone with a copy they aren't using.