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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: caymanreview on March 10, 2003, 08:50:12 PM
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wondering if anyone has ran the akg blue line SE3000B and maybe the CK91 combo and could help me out with a decision on these...
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Ran them for a few years, whaddya need?
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would you reccommend them?
il be taping larger shows and also tape a local jamband where i can set up anywhere id like to tape
would i be better off with the ck91 or ck93 caps?
this will be my first venture into anything besides patching
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yes I do recommend them. However, it depends on how much they want for them and if they come with power supplies and/or what you plan on running them with. Give me more details and I'd be happy to expound...
As for hypers v. cards that's a tough one for me. I ran the cards with the bluelines and really liked them, now however I pretty much exclusively run hypers with the neumann's and really prefer them.
For larger shows where you are running from the section you'll want hypers about 90% of the time (maybe more). For smaller stuff it just depends on how the room sounds and is set up. Sorry I can't give you a more concrete answer but it is really a trust your ears thing. I'm sold on hypers most of the time but there are definitely spots were cards would be nice. Ultimatley though I would get hypers now and add cards later.
Either way you are getting your hands on a pair of decent mics and using them and learning from them. That's what really matters... practice, practice, practice...
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Score....
http://www.oade.com/cgi-bin/miva?Forum/used_gear/index.mv
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nice find, i had just checked oade a few minutes ago
im checkin out what the price is
what would you say for that package as a fair price?
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yeeeshhh that's tough. I sold mine to Nick a few months back for $400 with the b-18 power supplies. Check the archives on the Oade for sale board but I would say probably around $600 for both sets of caps plus those mic cables, maybe a little more since they are Audio Tragic's.
See if you can get them without the mic cables, it would be cheaper and you can put that cable money into a power supply or preamp.
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Also read the last 3 posts in this thread...
http://www.oade.com/cgi-bin/miva?Forum/used_gear/viewthread.mv+thread=2209&message=2209
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600 sounds fair
what kind of a pre you reccommend for these mics
would i get buy with like a ps-2 untill i can upgrade?
what would you think about the 391's > ps-2 > straight into my M1 for the time being?
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Definately get the hyper caps if you can. I personally have never heard a good 391 tape, but I am sure they are out there. And skip the cables and put money into a pre first! Also, I don't have an answer...but what other mics in thise price range have you been looking at? Also, since you seem to be on a mic search here, try listening before buying, only your ears can tell you what you like or dislike. That said, have fun...and always look for the best deal!
My 2 cents
Daryan
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i like the sound of tapes made with the 391's that ive heard
ive been on the lookout for mics for awhile now, but just havent made my mind up, i havent really been looking for any other mics basically the akg's with the 91 or 93 caps
was thinking of buying new and decided i dont ahve the funds for that
what other mics in this price range should i check out. say <600$ with hypers
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D - shoot me a line and I'll set you up with two good 391 tapes that I made. 6/30/01 El Buho with Gordon and 7/21/01 Trey with Medeski...
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The kicker would be the hyper requirement. Thus, I would say OKtava's would be the only other thing close. Or maybe AKG 3000's. Check it out and let us know what you find. Now if you didn't want hypers, I know a ton of good mics...adk's, mbho's etc.
For 400, I see akg 391's on ebay quite often, brand new!
Daryan
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i dont neccessarily need the hypers... but
probably 75-80% of my recording will be done very close to the stage here locally on a band i help out spreading the sound
i havent really gotten and super recordings of them so far with what ive tryed, i tryed running a behringer mixer > M1 but it really isnt that great IMO
so would the hypers be better for me
they play outside 90% of the time where i coule be 15-20 ft from the stage center
what would your guys reccomandations be for that kind of a taping setup
it is alsmost spring and i need to get something going before they start playing alot since im the only taper so far untill jkoso from phishhook gets his schoeps rig up here the first time they play
any help much appreciated
im looking to spend 4-500 on mics so i can have some cash leftover for a good pre
also, im allready own a M1
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well i know of a set of octava mc012's that are matched for 400....
any suggestions on these mics?
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im outta here for the night any help greatly appreciated
Dustin
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So I bought Tim's 391's and have made some really great tapes with them (including Toad at the HOB last Saturday night!) I also recently bought a set of Hyper Caps, the CK93's, from Nutter, mainly because I am taping Queens of the Stone Age here in Raleigh at a shitty venue that puts the taper section in the back on the balcony and I want to cut out as much of the noise in the middle as possible.
But yes, I agree with Tim, there are quality mic's for the money, and a great tool to allow you to learn techniques, etc.
If you want to hear some samples shoot me an email, I have a couple including the Toad show previously mentioned and a Pat McGee Show if you want to give it a listen...
Nick
ngregory@nc.rr.com
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I run 393 -> mp2 and love the sound. I prefer them to higher priced mics. The only other mics I'd rather have would be a nice pair of DPAs.....someday :P
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akg 391's for 300
i bought them
working on some 93 caps
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Good for you! And Nick I'm glad you're getting some good work out of those mics.
Nothing beats the experience you gain from running mics, you will learn a lot!
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quick question... I came across a pair of the 391's for a good price, i think 400. How do they run with an MP-2? I dont know if i want to go this route or the M300>PS-2>transformers route becuase i found these.
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I really like the 300's but they are fixed cards so you are limiting yourself there.
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I really like the 300's but they are fixed cards so you are limiting yourself there.
yes this is true, but if i got the 300b plus ck91 now i would only be able to run that as a cardsfor a while, and if i ran 391> MP2 would it be a better option than the M300>PS2>Transformers if both were run from the same spot?
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depends on which mics you like better. sounds like you truly like the 300s. i would tend to agree with you there. rule of thumb should always be to put the most money possible into the mics, given the choice. the mics are the single most important factor in determining your sound. everything else is icing. i ran 184s/ ps1s/ sbm for a couple years and made some phat recordings with that rig. never needed transformers even for quiet shows.
hope this helps. :)
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For what it's worth, I currently run 391s->B18s->AT CP8201->Mod SBM->D100...and have made some quality tapes. The AT transformers give me plenty of gain to work with, even for some of the quieter shows. I do intend to uprade to a MP-2 eventually, but right now, get pretty good tapes.
If you want to hear a sample, go to www.toadfans.com and click on recordings on the top. Go to the Myrtle Beach HOB show, and download one of the tracks....
Questions, let me know.
Nick
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i bought 391's
i was wondering what would get me the best results from a fairly smaller show, outside, 20 ft from the stage center
the 91's or the 93's?
should i get some 93 caps now since 90% of what i will be taping will be this scenario...
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I would say that with the scenario you are describing, the cards will give you quality results. The only reason I got a pair of the hypers was strictly because I tape in (1) bad sounding indoor venues, and (2) quite a ways back sometimes, thus want to remove as much of the room as possible.
But yes, in my opinion, the 391's will get you very good results outside, not that far from the stage. I would offer a recording, but I have not had any direct experience in the sheds yet, but I have heard DMB tapes made by Dave Baty using the 391's in a shed and it sounded great!
Nick
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If anyone would like a copy of Phish 2/26/03, audio or shn, I'll do B+Ps.
AKG 393 -> Mp2 -> D-7
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yah i did back in 95 a few times
ran teh ck98, did nto care for the ck91 though...
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I ran 391's for two years & liked them OK. If you can save up a little more (OK a lot) then get the 480's if you want true AKG sound. The 480's can handle the SPL's better than the 391's from my experience. I really don't think you can go wrong with them but if your going to end up buying extra caps (hypers) then just get some 483's. I use the hypers 95% of the time & couldn't imagine ever giving them up. Outdoors a set of CK62 omni's are king.
carl
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Good to see you on board here Carl! About your omni mics, do you record outside in the sheds with the omnis? By sheds, I mean places like Lakewood, Walnut Creek, and the like? Any suggestions?
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good to see ya over here carl.........i also run the 481's and you couldn't pry them from my hands......TRUE akg sound is right carl.......save up more cash and go with the 480's. better spl's, killer low-end, etc.... my $00.02
bean