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Title: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on November 26, 2010, 10:52:49 PM
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Catalog&category=231

preamp bodies with omni 4006, card 4011, wide card 4015 and shotgun 4017 removable capsules.  bodies can be full size or compact.  the "old" 402x, 405x, 401x and 400x are hopefully not being discontinued
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Dkrogh on November 26, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Catalog&category=231

preamp bodies with omni 4006, card 4011, wide card 4015 and shotgun 4017 removable capsules.  bodies can be full size or compact.  the "old" 402x, 405x, 401x and 400x are hopefully not being discontinued

Very interesting, and good find!  I wonder if they plan on expanding their microphones to capabilities similar to schoeps?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: it-goes-to-eleven on November 27, 2010, 12:46:54 PM
It's about time.   And if they have compact bodies with removable caps, that would be something Schoeps does not have.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: johnw on November 27, 2010, 12:56:30 PM
The new compact 4011 looks to be similar in size to the sennheiser mkh 8000 series when you combine the cap and preamp. Definitely not as compact as the 4021s etc.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: su6oxone on November 27, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
Looks interesting!  The small bodies do look fairly short, comparable to the CCM when combined with the capsule.  I wonder if there will be Lemo connections (preferable) or if they'll connect with XLRs. 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: OOK on November 27, 2010, 02:05:43 PM
Nobody tell JD.......... :P
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: JD on November 27, 2010, 02:24:58 PM
Nobody tell JD.......... :P

Too late!
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Fried Chicken Boy on December 01, 2010, 01:50:35 AM
Been wondering for years if DPA would ever make mic bodies with changeable caps.  My prayers have been answered.  ;D
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: John Willett on December 01, 2010, 04:17:08 AM
Interesting - I wonder if they will now also do an AES42 "pre-amp" and join the digital microphone club ???
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on December 01, 2010, 09:32:21 AM
Pricing will be interesting. Will it be trade cost for size or what? Second, if they are just doing caps that are already made, then it's down to purely cost. Last, while the attraction here is buying only 1 set of bodies and then caps separately (and in theory be cheaper), remember that not all cap/body system makers sell caps without bodies, it's likely they will, but no guarentee...  :-\
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: it-goes-to-eleven on December 01, 2010, 10:33:08 PM
One thing is certain, you'll need a wallet-ectomy :P

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on December 01, 2010, 10:53:04 PM
word is the 402x and 405x compacts will eventually be phased out...I hope they have a more compact solution than the bodies they've posted on the site so far.  maybe a 3rd solution that screws onto the cap and offers a FET preamp in the xlr connection like the current compacts... 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: SClassical on January 01, 2011, 01:40:32 AM
It's good that they have the changeable cap option...sad the size is still a bit big for stealthing.... I guess the old compacts will be extremely difficult to find in the future. I still prefer the old compact cuz it's not likely that you want to change capsules during a show in the field if size is the main concern...you usually bring what you need. I was planning on getting the wide card sometime...It's not really worth me getting the changeable option if I plan to get the wide card cuz I already have the omni and card stereo kits.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on January 01, 2011, 12:42:54 PM
A few more details on the DPA site since this thread first appeared (including that the compact pre is 1.6 inches long, so ~2.5 inches with capsule)...Also, they describe it as being "slightly more musical and slightly softer character than the other preamps in the DPA Reference Standard series".  Curious what that means, exactly...
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: ArchivalAudio on January 04, 2011, 03:57:55 PM
compact body:
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=232&item=24405#specifications (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=232&item=24405#specifications)
card with compact body:
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=234&item=24388#specifications (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=234&item=24388#specifications)

omni with compact body:
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=234&item=24386#specifications


caps selection:
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Catalog&category=233 (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Catalog&category=233)

pretty cool!
like the compact versions!
sweet
and choice of caps is great... wondering what these will hit the streets for?


--Ian
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: acidjack on January 04, 2011, 04:06:16 PM
Interesting, a little HF bump to the card.  This must be what makes them more "musical."

Looks a lot like the Senn 8040 size-wise, no?  Also a bit bigger than optimal for  >:D

Kind of curious how that gun will sound.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: H₂O on January 04, 2011, 04:47:28 PM
Kind of curious how that gun will sound.


Kind of expensive I think :)

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on January 04, 2011, 05:12:26 PM
Interesting, a little HF bump to the card.  This must be what makes them more "musical."

Looks a lot like the Senn 8040 size-wise, no?  Also a bit bigger than optimal for  >:D

Kind of curious how that gun will sound.

the small on axis HF bump is already in the 402x card series, atleast it looks that way. I think any change in "musicalness" might be due to a different componant in the signal chain is being used, like a different brand/model opamp or fet somewhere.

And yes, it does look like the 8040 sizewise.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 04, 2011, 06:53:45 PM
A few more details on the DPA site since this thread first appeared (including that the compact pre is 1.6 inches long, so ~2.5 inches with capsule)...Also, they describe it as being "slightly more musical and slightly softer character than the other preamps in the DPA Reference Standard series".  Curious what that means, exactly...

Bruce Meyers told a fellow taper to disregard those comments and that they'll all be the transparent sound we expect from dpa.  someone got a little happy with the copy..
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 04, 2011, 06:56:28 PM
like the compact versions!

still way too big compared to the 402x and 405x compacts
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: OFOTD on January 04, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
You can tell by these new mics as well as the 4099's that DPA is just expanding deeper into the theater performance niche.  They have mics for the performer, the instruments and the room.  Now they have a close to complete product line for theater sound.  I would bet that the vast majority of 402x mics are being used as instrument mics and their use as room mics like we use them for is probably pretty slim.

I do wonder if in the design of these new mics that they have left the door open for 'active' cables?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on January 07, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
A few more details on the DPA site since this thread first appeared (including that the compact pre is 1.6 inches long, so ~2.5 inches with capsule)...Also, they describe it as being "slightly more musical and slightly softer character than the other preamps in the DPA Reference Standard series".  Curious what that means, exactly...

Bruce Meyers told a fellow taper to disregard those comments and that they'll all be the transparent sound we expect from dpa.  someone got a little happy with the copy..

Cool; thanks!  I like that DPA sound...

Any word as to when they will phase out the compacts?  I would love to get some 4026s (they'd be mine by now without a few large, unanticipated expenditures), but I wouldn't mind having the changeable caps if DPA introduces something a bit smaller...
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: datbrad on January 07, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
A few more details on the DPA site since this thread first appeared (including that the compact pre is 1.6 inches long, so ~2.5 inches with capsule)...Also, they describe it as being "slightly more musical and slightly softer character than the other preamps in the DPA Reference Standard series".  Curious what that means, exactly...

Bruce Meyers told a fellow taper to disregard those comments and that they'll all be the transparent sound we expect from dpa.  someone got a little happy with the copy..

Cool; thanks!  I like that DPA sound...

Any word as to when they will phase out the compacts?  I would love to get some 4026s (they'd be mine by now without a few large, unanticipated expenditures), but I wouldn't mind having the changeable caps if DPA introduces something a bit smaller...


The compacts are not going away. Their application cannot be matched by this modular system, even with the short body.

Now, DPA could eliminate the 4011 and the other fixed cap full body versions since there is actual redundancy. The modular series could definately errode sales of the older full bodied versions, since you could have both subcard and card caps for a single body.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 07, 2011, 04:28:32 PM
The compacts are not going away. Their application cannot be matched by this modular system, even with the short body.

My friend was told by DPA that the compacts are in fact going away. 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: OFOTD on January 07, 2011, 04:45:04 PM
The compacts are not going away. Their application cannot be matched by this modular system, even with the short body.

My friend was told by DPA that the compacts are in fact going away.

Doesn't surprise me at all.  Their product line has changed quite a bit even over the last 12-18 months.   Lots of new products.  Lots of new microphone systems.    To be honest i'm surprised no one has tried using a 4099 in the field yet.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: datbrad on January 07, 2011, 04:48:44 PM
The compacts are not going away. Their application cannot be matched by this modular system, even with the short body.

My friend was told by DPA that the compacts are in fact going away.

Wow. That's a shame. Well, based on that thinking, I see no reason to keep making the 4011s either.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: it-goes-to-eleven on January 07, 2011, 05:04:16 PM
Yeah but the older mics were assembled with genuine lead.   It is now illegal.  So it must sound better!
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on January 07, 2011, 05:28:32 PM
To be honest i'm surprised no one has tried using a 4099 in the field yet.

Wifi Jeff does, close paired with 4060 or 4063 to extend their bass response.

I've considered giving them a try as well.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 10, 2011, 03:22:40 AM
I have always wanted them to make a hyper-cardioid. I know they have their super-card shotgun, but its just too frickin big for most tapers applications even tho its the smallest gun out there
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 14, 2011, 10:11:16 AM
the 4021/22/23, 4026/27/28 and 4051/52/53 compacts aren't even on the dpa site anymore
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 14, 2011, 11:24:13 AM
reposted from gearslutz:

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Went to the DPA booth at NAMM yesterday and was really impressed at what is going on with the new line.

First of all 3 bodies. A short, a long (standard length) and one with high lift and low cut. The last is geared towards the shotgun which is one of the new capsules.

They have cardiod, omni and subcard capsules (as well as the shotgun) for these that are the same capsules that have always been used. A new line of accessories is coming for it- the big thing being that this new line allows for balanced connections from mic to preamp whereas the old compact line was unbalanced between mic and XLR. This should especially help with shielding for RF interference.

There is also a new line of capsules that are less expensive- the new 2000-series stuff. Based off of the compact capsules developed for the lavs, 4099 and others, these capsules are those mics essentially in a "proper" mic housing with the full quality electronics of the 4000 mics we all know an use. You'll now be able to do things like put a 4099 in a compact housing on a real mic stand in a way that doesn't look like a clip-on. The best part about these new capsules is the full microphone will be under $1000. when you want to upgrade to a 4006 capsule, then you are just purchasing a capsule- not a full mic and you can save some cash.

The threads for these capsules are amazing. I've never felt a mic that screws together so cleanly. I love my Schoeps line, but the construction here is truly second to none.

Just another thing to sink my money into...

--Ben
__________________
Benjamin Maas
Fifth Circle Audio
Long Beach, CA
http://www.fifthcircle.com
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: orechall on January 14, 2011, 12:00:46 PM
it sure is looking like the compact line is going to be discontinued at some point.  to me though one of the best part about the compact line is the fact that there are no bodies in the chain or other points of failure.  I have a hard time believing though that the line was not successful enough to have them continue to be made. 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: bhadella on January 14, 2011, 12:10:36 PM
While I love the fact that my 4022s are without bodies, I could deal with bodies seperated from the caps.   If they choose to not make an "extension cable" they have lost me as a future customer for subs/omnis. 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 14, 2011, 12:11:05 PM
it sure is looking like the compact line is going to be discontinued at some point.

they already are discontinued.  they're no longer on the site
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Todd R on January 14, 2011, 04:52:02 PM
it sure is looking like the compact line is going to be discontinued at some point.  to me though one of the best part about the compact line is the fact that there are no bodies in the chain or other points of failure.  I have a hard time believing though that the line was not successful enough to have them continue to be made.

To be nitpicky, the compact line had electronics in the XLR housing.  So really, you could think of them like other active cable solutions, its just that the active cable did not plug into a typical mic body, but rather a mic "body" in the form of an XLR connector housing.

At any rate, I don't think their "success" had anything to do with it.  I think this is the relevant quote from the gearslutz message Scott posted:

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the big thing being that this new line allows for balanced connections from mic to preamp whereas the old compact line was unbalanced between mic and XLR. This should especially help with shielding for RF interference.

My guess is that DPA sees the 406x micro line as the mics that will be used to be nearly unseen for theater/live performance applications.  The compact 402x line was for unobtrusive applications, where it was not desirable to have the mic have a large visual footprint (but not to the point of "unseen" like for performers wearing them at a theater performance like the 406x).

I think the quote above is the issue -- the 402x line was unbalanced between the mic capsule and the XLR, and therefore more prone to interference.  With the growing amount of interference sources (including cell phones), DPA which strives for perfection, did not want to have a product that is subject to as much interference (and resulting poor performance) as the unbalanced compact 402x line.

I'm sure they think that for most applications, either a miniature mic like the 406x will suffice, or for less unseen applications, the new "short body" solution provides as much unobtrusiveness as is necessary.  Obviously our little niche prefers the compact line, but I'd bet they simply were not happy enough with the performance in re: interference that the compact line provided.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: OFOTD on January 14, 2011, 04:55:45 PM
So who is going to negotiate a group buy from DPA on their remaining stock?  I could use some 4053's at a nice price.   >:D
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 14, 2011, 05:07:58 PM
What Todd said may be correct, but I was also told it was a service issue.  The compacts were easy to damage when servicing and they ended up breaking way too many and having to give free replacements, losing money...

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on January 15, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
^^^ Maybe that means they have left the door open for a more compact option?  Repairing/replacing some sort of active cable or super-compact body would be cheaper with the caps removed from the equation...I can hope, anyway!

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on January 15, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
the electronics in the old compacts are already separate.  As Todd said, the electronics are at the XLR end
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: datbrad on January 15, 2011, 05:38:15 PM
On the DPA product manual download page, the compacts are shown in "Discontinued" status.

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/download/manuals.aspx
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: SClassical on January 16, 2011, 02:04:15 AM
I hope they will make something like the Schoeps KC5 cable in the future..
It will look big if you plug a XLR connector on it..so its quite visible during a live session..It's sort of bad they removed the compact range. Schoeps kept their compact mics while selling the switchable caps. They even have the KC5 option. So DPA should learn something from them.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 16, 2011, 10:55:28 PM
I hope they will make something like the Schoeps KC5 cable in the future..
It will look big if you plug a XLR connector on it..so its quite visible during a live session..It's sort of bad they removed the compact range. Schoeps kept their compact mics while selling the switchable caps. They even have the KC5 option. So DPA should learn something from them.

Yeah great points. Hell even MBHO learned a few things from Schoeps, now they have more capsule options than any other company, besides Schoeps :)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Fried Chicken Boy on February 01, 2011, 07:43:21 PM
On the DPA product manual download page, the compacts are shown in "Discontinued" status.

http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/download/manuals.aspx

Indeed, the manual is shown under "Discontinued" status, but the 402x series is still very much on the DPA website > http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=187&item=24026 (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=187&item=24026)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: SClassical on February 09, 2011, 11:53:05 PM
Look at the XLR connector!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogd9lcj-aoE
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: ArchivalAudio on February 10, 2011, 01:37:56 AM
Look at the XLR connector!  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogd9lcj-aoE

hot damn!
very nice
like the mini - ultra chopped XLR for the  small body
now we're talkin!
--Ian
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: bhadella on February 10, 2011, 08:15:31 AM
That is a cool xlr!   I'd still prefer "remote" or "active" cables so that I could use kwonbars with the mics. 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: johnw on February 10, 2011, 11:24:58 AM
So how do you get the XLR back out? I wonder if it locks in? Seems like pulling on the cable would be bad and it would be hard to wedge something between the xlr and the body.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: su6oxone on February 10, 2011, 11:40:35 AM
So how do you get the XLR back out? I wonder if it locks in? Seems like pulling on the cable would be bad and it would be hard to wedge something between the xlr and the body.

Looks like you'd have to insert your fingernail between the body and the connector and pull it out.  Probably the connector doesn't attach completely flush with the body -- seems there might be a bit of curvature/roundness on the connector that would allow insertion of said fingernail.

Anyway, these mics look great.  They're a bit long and don't have the proper connector for a kwon/nola type bar, unfortunately, and a bit long to stealth very easily, but they do look nice and they are modular.  I'm sure some folks here will pick up a set as soon as they come out so we won't have to wait too long for some user reports.  8)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on February 10, 2011, 12:06:13 PM
yeah, I bet they don't snap in, that it's just a friction hold. If you were hanging them, I'd expect to see something else also connecting the cable and body (to adjust angle/direction) which would reduce strain on the xlr connection.

They remind me of the Sennheiser 80xx line, rather short mics, but bigger than what we think of with remotes.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: StuStu on February 11, 2011, 04:43:55 PM
I just ordered a 4023 pair and asked the retailer if, in fact, they're being discontinued. She said DPA told her they were being changed, but not discontinued. It looks to me like they're being phased out. They are back ordered and are coming from Germany because DPA USA don't have them in stock. I hate waiting! :P 
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: sunjan on April 08, 2011, 05:32:42 AM
Just saw that this series was officially launched at Musikmesse/Prolight + Sound.
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/News/Archive/Press%20Releases/DPA-launches-new-groundbreaking-modular-mic-series-at-Prolight-Sound-2011.aspx

The combinations with the MMP-C (Compact Preamp) look quite stealthable!  ;D
The reference PDF is very structured and useful. I'm sure all this gear will cost a bomb though.  ::)

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4000 Series
The Reference Standard 4000 Series builds and improves on DPA’s Compact and Standard 4006, 4011, 4015 and 4017 mics, making a wide selection of capsules available at different price points and performance demands. Three brand new preamplifiers improve on previous designs: the MMP-A ultra transparent transformerless preamp with active drive for impedance balancing, the MMP-B preamp with low cut and high boost filters and the 45mm compact MMP-C preamp with a softer character. The range’s modular design allows any mic within the series to be transformed into a new variant. Additionally, owning several capsules will be more cost effective than the expense of purchasing complete mics. As with all DPA products, the entire manufacturing process takes place at the company’s purpose-built factory in Denmark.
 
2000 Series
Also new to the range are the pioneering new Twin Diaphragm Capsules which form the 2000 Series, bringing down the cost of owning a DPA microphone to between €600­–700. The MMC2006 omni and MMC2011 cardioid capsules are rooted in the design technology of DPA’s classic miniature capsules. The 2006 encapsulates two opposite-facing 4060 omnidirectional miniature diaphragms to form a one-capsule, dual-diaphragm design, reducing noise and enhancing sensitivity. The 2011 also benefits from DPAs interference tube design experience. These mics are designed to bring the sound qualities of DPA’s classic 4006 omni and 4011 cardioid to a larger market.
 
Innovative accessories increase versatility and allow for future upgrades or new applications. For example, a ground-breaking new DPA cable accessory features a super slim XLR connector that adds extremely little length and forms an elegant spot microphone for suspension on a TV set or a live stage. A modular, carbon fibre stereo mounting bar is equipped with Rycote® Lyres™ to position mics stably at the desired angle for any stereo recording. This mounting device can also be screwed into a gooseneck for mounting inside a piano, or connected directly to a camera stand. Adjustable and modular, this innovative new mounting device is as flexible as the mic range itself.

“We never thought it would be possible to obtain such quality at this price, but with the 2000 Series we have managed to create a range with the exceptional sound quality people associate with DPA,” says company co-founder Morten Stove. “Our miniatures have been used for years for instruments and concert recordings, and we have taken them a step further, refining them and building them into regular microphones. A big advantage is the fact that you can start out with the capsules from the 2000 series and then later upgrade to the 4000 series, as the preamps are the same. Once again our development team has done a great job.”

Major features of the new range:

    * Cardioid and wide cardioid capsules can now handle 139 dB(A) before reaching 1% THD; the max SPL handling is increased to 159 dB (A) when using the MMP-A preamp and 152 dB for the MMP-C compact preamp respectively.
    * The 4006 omni now handles 4 dB more SPL before reaching 1% THD; max SPL handling is increased to 147 dB for the MMP-A preamp and 140 dB for the MMP-C preamp. The dynamic range is an impressive 121 dB – ready for 24 bit HD resolution.
    * CMRR (RF rejection) has been improved to >60 dB, >50 dB and >40 dB for amplifiers MMP-A, MMP-B and MMP-C respectively. Adding a transformer to the circuit could have increased this further, but for sound quality reasons it was decided to choose Impedance Balancing with Active Drive technology.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: bluntforcetrauma on April 25, 2011, 04:24:24 AM
So could anyone please suggest a good retailer that would have the compact DPA 4022 or other DPA 40xx for sal, I am thinking of gathering a couple extra pairs for future use.

please advise

thanks
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: sunjan on April 25, 2011, 04:09:39 PM
http://www.google.com/search?q=DPA+4022&tbm=shop

$1765 seems to be the rack rate for all retailers listed, but maybe there are others?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: OFOTD on April 25, 2011, 04:19:32 PM
http://www.google.com/search?q=DPA+4022&tbm=shop

$1765 seems to be the rack rate for all retailers listed, but maybe there are others?

btw, that 'rack rate' is for a single mic NOT a pair.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Əkoostikal on April 25, 2011, 06:07:16 PM
I just got quoted $3,048 for a matched pair of the new 4011c mics from sweetwater.

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Hi Kiel,

Thanks for the inquiry! Our price for a matched pair of DPA 4011C microphones is $3,048 + Free ground shipping.

Please let me know if you have any questions, or if there is anything else I can help you with!

Thank you,

Lauren Krieger
Sales Manager
Sweetwave Audio Inc.
lauren@sweetwaveaudio.com      
303.258.0563


Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on April 25, 2011, 07:58:24 PM
$1765 seems to be the rack rate for all retailers listed, but maybe there are others?

My understanding is that DPA is pretty strict about the lowest price their distributors are allowed to advertise.  To get a better deal, you need to call/mail a couple of distributors directly...
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: OOK on April 25, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
I just got quoted $3,048 for a matched pair of the new 4011c mics from sweetwater.

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Hi Kiel,

Thanks for the inquiry! Our price for a matched pair of DPA 4011C microphones is $3,048 + Free ground shipping.

Please let me know if you have any questions, or if there is anything else I can help you with!

Thank you,

Lauren Krieger
Sales Manager
Sweetwave Audio Inc.
lauren@sweetwaveaudio.com      
303.258.0563



Fullcompass ussually beats sweetwater from my experience....
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Əkoostikal on April 25, 2011, 10:31:50 PM

Fullcompass ussually beats sweetwater from my experience....
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I didn't try there, I just googled these mics to try to find a price and sweetwater was the first to come up. The "request a lower quote" option was right on the page so I though I would just for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: John Willett on April 26, 2011, 08:22:13 AM
So could anyone please suggest a good retailer that would have the compact DPA 4022 or other DPA 40xx for sal, I am thinking of gathering a couple extra pairs for future use.


KMR in North London are the best bet.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: andromedanwarmachine on April 26, 2011, 08:48:41 AM
A bit off-topic, I know; but whilst everyone has their DPA hats on...

which from the choice of 4060, 4061 and 4062 mics, best suits an environmental recording (rather than into-a-transmitter-live-sound) type application...?

thanks

JimP
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on April 26, 2011, 10:08:39 AM
4060 is most sensitive with the lowest self-noise, so is probably the one you want for environmental recording unless the environment you're recording is industrial machinery, rocket launches or motorsports with especially high SPLs.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Church-Audio on April 26, 2011, 11:16:51 AM
A bit off-topic, I know; but whilst everyone has their DPA hats on...

which from the choice of 4060, 4061 and 4062 mics, best suits an environmental recording (rather than into-a-transmitter-live-sound) type application...?

thanks

JimP

I would get the DPA 4090.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on April 26, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
A bit off-topic, I know; but whilst everyone has their DPA hats on...

which from the choice of 4060, 4061 and 4062 mics, best suits an environmental recording (rather than into-a-transmitter-live-sound) type application...?

thanks

JimP

I would get the DPA 4090.

FYI- The mic element is the same, but the 4090 has a special grid (which may be permanentlly mounted) that provides a flat response.  It's a full bodied mic with XLR output, vs the 406x minis with microdot connectors (and optional XLR adaptors).
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Church-Audio on April 26, 2011, 12:53:09 PM
A bit off-topic, I know; but whilst everyone has their DPA hats on...

which from the choice of 4060, 4061 and 4062 mics, best suits an environmental recording (rather than into-a-transmitter-live-sound) type application...?

thanks

JimP

I would get the DPA 4090.

FYI- The mic element is the same, but the 4090 has a special grid (which may be permanentlly mounted) that provides a flat response.  It's a full bodied mic with XLR output, vs the 406x minis with microdot connectors (and optional XLR adaptors).

I know I own one. I have used it for recording the 4007 smokes it for noise floor but its still a great mic.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on April 26, 2011, 04:06:45 PM
Just trying to clairfy for good Mr. andromedawarmachine.  Chris, you were the one that measured the length of the grid on your 4090 for me as I've not used one myself.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Church-Audio on April 26, 2011, 06:26:07 PM
Just trying to clairfy for good Mr. andromedawarmachine.  Chris, you were the one that measured the length of the grid on your 4090 for me as I've not used one myself.

Cheers.

I think its a great mic its funny how they shock mounted the capsule inside.. The use a regular 4060 capsule with some surgical tubing on the inside to "force" the capsule into the opening. Quite effective. I found the sound to be smooth and very quiet but the 4007 just smashes it to pieces for realism. the 4007 is so real that when you have headphones and you listen to a playback of that mic you are always looking around when you hear a noise on the recording.. a creek of a door a foot step behind you on playback sounds exactly the same. I suspect if you were talented with a lathe you could build the body quite easily. Its made from aluminum. I think DPA should sell that as a kit to owners of 4060 that want to change over to an XLR mic.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on April 26, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
Interesting about the surgical tubing thing.  There was a pair or 4060s that re-sold in the yard sale here last year which I understand were custom built originally for a DPA customer that asked for a 4060 which could be used like a regular mic, and became sort of a prototype for the 4090.  Each had a 4060 capsule at the end of a thin drinking straw sized tube with the XLR adaptor at the other end.  Basically a 4090 without the normal diameter tapered body.

Intersting to hear your take on the 4007.  Never seen one myself but would love to try a pair someday.. all it takes is money.  Finest sounding DPAs I've been exposed to were the high voltage supply subcards (don't know the number), transistor based and transformerless but required special DPA power supplies.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: andromedanwarmachine on April 27, 2011, 02:14:02 AM
that is great-

thankyou all for that!!

JimP
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: bluntforcetrauma on April 30, 2011, 02:44:22 AM
I just ordered a 4023 pair and asked the retailer if, in fact, they're being discontinued. She said DPA told her they were being changed, but not discontinued. It looks to me like they're being phased out. They are back ordered and are coming from Germany because DPA USA don't have them in stock. I hate waiting! :P

I talked to DPA and the person who takes care of my DPA's and he told me that you can still get the compact cardoid series, but they are going to be phased out. But they will still service them.  And in fact the " special order" of DPA 40xx series are coming from denmark, at least that i what i was told today.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: phil_er_up on May 01, 2011, 10:24:05 AM
I just ordered a 4023 pair and asked the retailer if, in fact, they're being discontinued. She said DPA told her they were being changed, but not discontinued. It looks to me like they're being phased out. They are back ordered and are coming from Germany because DPA USA don't have them in stock. I hate waiting! :P

I talked to DPA and the person who takes care of my DPA's and he told me that you can still get the compact cardoid series, but they are going to be phased out. But they will still service them.  And in fact the " special order" of DPA 40xx series are coming from denmark, at least that i what i was told today.
I ordered 2 new sets of 40XX DPA mics in the last couple of months and they came from DPA in Longmont co and I had one of  them in a week and other order in 2 days...

Ordered mine from sweetwave audio in louisville CO!
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: bluntforcetrauma on May 16, 2011, 10:36:40 PM
I just ordered a 4023 pair and asked the retailer if, in fact, they're being discontinued. She said DPA told her they were being changed, but not discontinued. It looks to me like they're being phased out. They are back ordered and are coming from Germany because DPA USA don't have them in stock. I hate waiting! :P

I talked to DPA and the person who takes care of my DPA's and he told me that you can still get the compact cardoid series, but they are going to be phased out. But they will still service them.  And in fact the " special order" of DPA 40xx series are coming from denmark, at least that i what i was told today.
I ordered 2 new sets of 40XX DPA mics in the last couple of months and they came from DPA in Longmont co and I had one of  them in a week and other order in 2 days...

Ordered mine from sweetwave audio in louisville CO!

I just got my new DPA 4023 mics. a couple custom cables.  Now on to the field testing.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on December 10, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
I just got a pair of the new modulars...I think they are about a half inch longer than the CCM4s (maybe a little less; it's been a while since I had one of the Schoeps in hand).  A matched pair can be purchased from DPA in a Pelican box with wind screens and holders.  Attached are a few photos.  Unfortunately, I am traveling right now, so I haven't had a chance to try them out yet...

P.S. Apologies for the crappy iPod photos!
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on December 10, 2011, 12:11:24 AM
:drool:

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: illconditioned on December 10, 2011, 12:25:22 AM
Just trying to clairfy for good Mr. andromedawarmachine.  Chris, you were the one that measured the length of the grid on your 4090 for me as I've not used one myself.

Cheers.

I think its a great mic its funny how they shock mounted the capsule inside.. The use a regular 4060 capsule with some surgical tubing on the inside to "force" the capsule into the opening. Quite effective. I found the sound to be smooth and very quiet but the 4007 just smashes it to pieces for realism. the 4007 is so real that when you have headphones and you listen to a playback of that mic you are always looking around when you hear a noise on the recording.. a creek of a door a foot step behind you on playback sounds exactly the same. I suspect if you were talented with a lathe you could build the body quite easily. Its made from aluminum. I think DPA should sell that as a kit to owners of 4060 that want to change over to an XLR mic.

DPA 4007 is the metal (Nickel?) diaphragm, right?  Closest I've got is Nevaton and/or Countryman B3.  Both use stainless steel.

  Richard
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: su6oxone on December 10, 2011, 01:59:12 AM
I just got a pair of the new modulars...I think they are about a half inch longer than the CCM4s

They look fairly long, probably closer to an inch longer than the CCMs.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on December 10, 2011, 02:50:22 AM
I just got a pair of the new modulars...I think they are about a half inch longer than the CCM4s

They look fairly long, probably closer to an inch longer than the CCMs.

the CCM4s are 20x58 (mm) and the DPAs w/ caps other than the 2011/4017 are at the largest 19x64 (mm), so a 1/4 inch difference in length.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 10, 2011, 10:38:56 AM
Just omnis or cards/hypers/subs as well ???
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: StuStu on December 10, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
Just omnis or cards/hypers/subs as well ???


The available caps are card, wide card, omni and shotgun.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 10, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
Just omnis or cards/hypers/subs as well ???


The available caps are card, wide card, omni and shotgun.

Nice. Just wish they had hypers :(
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: StuStu on December 10, 2011, 02:24:04 PM
Just omnis or cards/hypers/subs as well ???


The available caps are card, wide card, omni and shotgun.

Nice. Just wish they had hypers :(


I do too.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on December 10, 2011, 02:44:42 PM
I'll bite, other than using the longer gun caps (which looking at the polar pattern are just ultra-hypers), why? Just the size of the capsule?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: datbrad on December 10, 2011, 03:09:17 PM
My buddy Jeff has this short body set with a range of capsules, including the 4017s and confirmed to me they are basically hypers as far as performance results, not strict shotguns as typically seen by other brands.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: StuStu on December 10, 2011, 03:30:41 PM
I'll bite, other than using the longer gun caps (which looking at the polar pattern are just ultra-hypers), why? Just the size of the capsule?


I've always wondered what a DPA hyper would sound like.


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My buddy Jeff has this short body set with a range of capsules, including the 4017s and confirmed to me they are basically hypers as far as performance results, not strict shotguns as typically seen by other brands.

Interesting. Does he have any shows torrented or on the Archive with the shotguns?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 10, 2011, 03:44:21 PM
I'll bite, other than using the longer gun caps (which looking at the polar pattern are just ultra-hypers), why? Just the size of the capsule?


I've always wondered what a DPA hyper would sound like.


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My buddy Jeff has this short body set with a range of capsules, including the 4017s and confirmed to me they are basically hypers as far as performance results, not strict shotguns as typically seen by other brands.

Interesting. Does he have any shows torrented or on the Archive with the shotguns?

I, too, would LOVE to hear a set myself :)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on December 10, 2011, 03:56:25 PM
Those look really nice, & not as large as I was worried they might be.
I'd really like to hear the 4017 on music too.  Please post a link if anyone finds one.

Different line of course, but there is the 4098 miniature supercardioid choir mic, too.  I've heard some very nice and clear sounding music samples, but it's response is a bit light down low.
[edit- here's the polar plot for the 4099, which is the same mic with less sensitivity for close instrument mic'ing]-
(http://www.gotham.ch/images/content/gotham_audio/de/dpa/4099/4099g1.jpg)


DPA 4007 is the metal (Nickel?) diaphragm, right?  Closest I've got is Nevaton and/or Countryman B3.  Both use stainless steel.

The only all metal foil diaphram mics (ie: not gold sputtered) I have other than the B3s are Gefell M94 cardioid caps with nickel diaphrams which I just got back from Germany a couple weeks ago, repaired re-skinned and matched.  Wooo.

The all metal DPA omni diaphrams are nickel I think. Many measurement omnis besides B&K/DPA use pure stainless steel or titanium foil as well, as opposed to some sort of plastic coated with a very thin layer of metal (usually aluminum or gold). As I understand it the primary reasoning behind doing so in a modern microphone is for less potential for slight measurement variations with age and/or change in environmental conditions such as temperature.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on December 10, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
Searching around I came across the DPA Mic University page on microphone stability (mentioning diaphram material choice)-
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/Mic-University/Technology-Guide/Microphone%20Stability.aspx (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/Mic-University/Technology-Guide/Microphone%20Stability.aspx)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: StuStu on December 10, 2011, 06:51:05 PM
Searching around I came across the DPA Mic University page on microphone stability (mentioning diaphram material choice)-
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/Mic-University/Technology-Guide/Microphone%20Stability.aspx (http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/Mic-University/Technology-Guide/Microphone%20Stability.aspx)


I'll take their word that it's okay to dunk a DPA in water. :P
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: stober on December 10, 2011, 07:21:43 PM
My buddy Jeff has this short body set with a range of capsules, including the 4017s and confirmed to me they are basically hypers as far as performance results, not strict shotguns as typically seen by other brands.
correct
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: justink on December 10, 2011, 10:46:44 PM
The compacts are not going away. Their application cannot be matched by this modular system, even with the short body.

My friend was told by DPA that the compacts are in fact going away.

Doesn't surprise me at all.  Their product line has changed quite a bit even over the last 12-18 months.   Lots of new products.  Lots of new microphone systems.    To be honest i'm surprised no one has tried using a 4099 in the field yet.

trust me, i've thought about it.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on December 10, 2011, 10:53:34 PM
my thoughts on hypers has always been this:

if you need a hypercard, move closer
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: mfrench on December 10, 2011, 10:55:25 PM
My thoughts on hypers,...
Do you like listening to the sound of paper towel toilet paper tubes held to your ears?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 10, 2011, 11:32:03 PM
my thoughts on hypers has always been this:

if you need a hypercard, move closer


I routinely use my mk41s FOB/DFC/20' from stage. I love their sound, period. I just bought some Busman mics, and will be doing alot of subcard work as well, but trust me, the mk41 aint like any other hyper. Their sound is AMAZING IMO ;)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on December 11, 2011, 01:56:04 AM
my thoughts on hypers has always been this:

if you need a hypercard, move closer

I've heard that from others, and I totally agree with the underlying theory that proper placement is king. That said, there are just some times when I'm faced with the following choices, and only these choices:

A) Use a hyper or tight pattern cap in a less than optimum area.
B) Be a human mic stand in a dense and/or moving/moshing area.
C) Don't record

Many times, the difference between optimum placement and realistically allowed placement is only 15' but due to other factors, it sounds bad in those rooms. I can even think of one venue in town (that I don't really like) where the optimum placement still sort of sounds like ass due to it being a giant reflective cavern without acoustic treatment. So while I don't particularly look forward to using hyper caps (since, I agree, I don't prefer the sound compared to more open patterns), I also don't particularly like the experience because it means I'm selecting a tool due to a bunch of factors which in reality I have little control over.  :-\

Sitting in the balcony about 15 rows back at the symphony tonight, the natural reflections of the room were pleasant and warm. I think there is zero reason to use a tight pattern anywhere in that room for that material. The old theater a block over used for rock shows? Not even close... It's a battle of lesser evils.

My buddy Jeff has this short body set with a range of capsules, including the 4017s and confirmed to me they are basically hypers as far as performance results, not strict shotguns as typically seen by other brands.

I forgot Jeff had a set of the new DPAs, he had them at Donna the Buffalo in the spring didn't he. Do you know if he pairs the 4017s with the tiny bodies? I'd think that would require a stiff(er) shock-mount or something else to counterbalance it. Maybe not.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: acidjack on December 11, 2011, 12:40:12 PM
my thoughts on hypers has always been this:

if you need a hypercard, move closer

I understand what you're saying, and if you run a mobile rig that's true.  If you have assigned seats, or are usually forced to set up in the back of a room (often the case for me), perhaps less so.

...and of the ones I've heard, Bean's pulls with the upfront hypers are, indeed, great  ;D  Of course, MK41s don't sound as "hyper-like" as some other manufacturers IMHO.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: phil_er_up on December 11, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
Who runs the new DPA series?
Are there examples recordings?

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 11, 2011, 11:58:20 PM
my thoughts on hypers has always been this:

if you need a hypercard, move closer

I understand what you're saying, and if you run a mobile rig that's true.  If you have assigned seats, or are usually forced to set up in the back of a room (often the case for me), perhaps less so.

...and of the ones I've heard, Bean's pulls with the upfront hypers are, indeed, great  ;D  Of course, MK41s don't sound as "hyper-like" as some other manufacturers IMHO.

Jack, thanks for explaining that because I couldnt say it that way ;D 8) Hell, Ive even used hypers on stage/stage lip w/ killer results :)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on December 12, 2011, 10:26:40 AM
Another scenario where (good sounding) hypers are useful is X/Y, where I like hypers better than cards- moves closer to the sweet & open Blumlein sound but with more forward sensitivity.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 12, 2011, 02:09:54 PM
My thoughts on hypers,...
Do you like listening to the sound of paper towel toilet paper tubes held to your ears?

We all dont record in nice venues tho M0k3. So running cards every show is the same as me running hypers every show :P :)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on December 13, 2011, 03:29:37 PM
Those look really nice, & not as large as I was worried they might be.

No, they're quite small.  I was kind of worried too, but only 58 - 64 mm for all of the caps with the compact bodies (except for the 2011 and 4017).  Very well made, too.  Nice solid feel and the the threads are super smooth...
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on December 16, 2011, 07:54:15 AM
now we just need to get them to make the low profile xlrs in lengths shorter than 10 meters
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on December 16, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
^^ They do!  It says on their website, "Custom lengths can be ordered."  I am in the process right now...
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: scb on December 16, 2011, 12:03:47 PM
guess i can't read.  interesting.  you mind posting pricing info? (or PMing if you don't want to post publicly?)
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: page on December 16, 2011, 12:16:18 PM
guess i can't read.  interesting.  you mind posting pricing info? (or PMing if you don't want to post publicly?)

and if you don't post it, can you PM me too?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: StuStu on December 16, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
^^ They do!  It says on their website, "Custom lengths can be ordered."  I am in the process right now...


I had them make my 4023's a custom length. I don't remember how much they charged for it, but I don't think it was too bad.
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on December 17, 2011, 04:08:08 PM
scb and page:  I got a mail from a woman at DPA yesterday asking me to request a quote from one of their dealers.  I asked her to directly forward the price to my DPA vendor and also sent them (the vendor) a mail about the same.  DPA said they have to contact the factory and I should expect more information on Monday...I'll let you guys know what they say...
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on January 18, 2012, 11:39:10 AM
So I got a pair of the "slim XLR" cables (in a custom length, which was no problem).  They are pretty cool; when plugged in they only add about 1 mm to the length of the microphone.  A Neutrik on the other end.  The cable is about the same diameter as a typical Church mic cable.

I would say, though, that they might have machined them a bit too precisely!  They are quite difficult to unplug, since they are exactly the same diameter as the mics and the gap between cable and mic body is very thin.  You can squeeze a nail in there, but it's not easy...Basically, nothing to grab (except for the cable)...I guess they really have these in mind for (semi-)permanent installations.

Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: Gutbucket on January 18, 2012, 11:42:36 AM
Do they actually lock or simply interference fit?
Title: Re: Looks like DPA is making a series with removable caps
Post by: aaronji on January 20, 2012, 10:01:29 AM
Yes, they lock.  A small piece of some type of hardened metal, I think.  Attached is a photo (sorry for the poor quality).  You can see the tab you push to unlock it right above the cable...