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Title: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justme on July 03, 2020, 05:06:45 AM
Previous thread:

https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=191640.0
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: morst on July 03, 2020, 01:26:18 PM
Quote
Preroll:
Menu > second page (middle dot) > Record > second screen (right dot) > Pre-Roll Time
Use the up and down arrows that appear at the top to adjust
Will ya look at that? I guess they added it with firmware v3.00, but I never really noticed it.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 03, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
I asked in the last thread but I should have been more clear. Powering the MP10? (USB-C isn’t an option).

I have a hirose cable that should fit a talent cell. Is that really the best option?  Any particular talent cell I should look at?  The on/off switches make me nervous, but then again, so does recording on a MixPre10 that doesn’t have a hold switch....  :shrug

So far, I’m really digging this thing.



If we are making a “want” list for firmware:

It would be nice to have a hold function and maybe the ability to see levels horizontally (if only using two or four channels).
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 04, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
MixPre10 II

8 AA Eneloop Pro Battery Test.  Ignore if you're not interested.



I just did a test with 8 AA Eneloop Pro batteries and four DPA mics.  Got 2 hours and 27 minutes.  So that makes me confident I can get two channels on 8 AA’s alone.  But I need an external pack for more channels.

So, I guess my question is, do I go with the Sony L-mount option, or the Hirose (some external option)? 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: darby on July 04, 2020, 02:20:25 PM
MixPre10 II

8 AA Eneloop Pro Battery Test.  Ignore if you're not interested.



I just did a test with 8 AA Eneloop Pro batteries and four DPA mics.  Got 2 hours and 27 minutes.  So that makes me confident I can get two channels on 8 AA’s alone.  But I need an external pack for more channels.

So, I guess my question is, do I go with the Sony L-mount option, or the Hirose (some external option)? 

Thoughts?

Hirose with external of your choice
use the 8 "AA" for backup and hot swapping the externals
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 04, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
MixPre10 II

8 AA Eneloop Pro Battery Test.  Ignore if you're not interested.



I just did a test with 8 AA Eneloop Pro batteries and four DPA mics.  Got 2 hours and 27 minutes.  So that makes me confident I can get two channels on 8 AA’s alone.  But I need an external pack for more channels.

So, I guess my question is, do I go with the Sony L-mount option, or the Hirose (some external option)? 

Thoughts?

Hirose with external of your choice
use the 8 "AA" for backup and hot swapping the externals

What's the most popular external people are using?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on July 05, 2020, 10:02:40 AM
I like the L mount batteries!  Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice.  With this you could use the Hirose as a backup.  I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 05, 2020, 09:19:19 PM
I like the L mount batteries!  Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice.  With this you could use the Hirose as a backup.  I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html

that looks sweet but boy is it pricey.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on July 05, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
I know, I got a deal on a used setup with high capacity batteries and 2 chargers. It's my favorite battery setup and I still have a external usbc battery for a backup.

I like the L mount batteries!  Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice.  With this you could use the Hirose as a backup.  I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html

that looks sweet but boy is it pricey.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: IronFilm on July 10, 2020, 05:10:02 AM
I see this is a new thread, so I guess I have to ask, how long now until the MixPre III-series comes along? ;-)
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 11, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
How do I NOT record the mix track? 

I just want the ISO tracks on the card.

Is that possible?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on July 11, 2020, 06:32:51 PM
in advanced mode
Rec L,R > off

you will see the L and R output busses no longer armed in red
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: darby on July 11, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
How do I NOT record the mix track? 

I just want the ISO tracks on the card.

Is that possible?

I suggest using Custom Mode

Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced

that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front

in advanced mode
Rec L,R > off

you will see the L and R output busses no longer armed in red

this will then eliminate the Mix Tracks which you do not want
which you can do from Custom Mode as well
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 11, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
How do I NOT record the mix track? 

I just want the ISO tracks on the card.

Is that possible?

I suggest using Custom Mode

Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced


that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front

i think i am in that but i can't figure out how to back out to see if i am or not.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on July 11, 2020, 09:39:12 PM
How do I NOT record the mix track? 

I just want the ISO tracks on the card.

Is that possible?

I suggest using Custom Mode

Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced


that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front

i think i am in that but i can't figure out how to back out to see if i am or not.

Menu 3rd page > System > Mode should say custom
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 11, 2020, 09:53:54 PM
How do I NOT record the mix track? 

I just want the ISO tracks on the card.

Is that possible?

I suggest using Custom Mode

Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced


that will give full control over your ISOs from the gain knobs on the front

i think i am in that but i can't figure out how to back out to see if i am or not.

Menu 3rd page > System > Mode should say custom

it does say custom. 

Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced

got the mix grey'd out/off.  thanks for that.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 12, 2020, 09:37:24 PM
Here's another question.

If I decided not to do 32bit float and wanted to go down to 24 bit again... 

How would I control the analog gain before the A/D?  Is there a certain system setting to make that happen?  or could I use the

Quote
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced

and just drop the bit rate down to 24?  i don't think that would work though...  seems the knobs are always post A/D in that setting.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 15, 2020, 11:51:46 PM
Back in the day, people were making racks for UA-5's out of dish racks from walmart.  i still have my UA-5 in the one I made.

has anyone figured out a DIY rack build to zip tie a battery to the MixPre10 while lifting the deck off the bottom of the back to keep the Hirose from crimping? 

I have a temp setup in my bag using velcro dividers that keeps the deck off the ground and the hirose from getting crimped.  but i'd like to attach the Talent Cell to it somehow.  I thought velcro but didn't want to sticky up the deck. 

Anyone have their own solutions?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 22, 2020, 04:44:05 PM
Another question...

MixPre10 II:

Say I’m running two mics. Can I route those two mics to other open channels with a HPF engaged?

So....

Channel 1: Mic1 flat eq
Channel 2: Mic2 flat eq
Channel 3: Mic1 HPF
Channel 4: Mic2 HPF

Is that possible?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Paul Isaacs on July 22, 2020, 09:31:11 PM
Another question...

MixPre10 II:

Say I’m running two mics. Can I route those two mics to other open channels with a HPF engaged?

So....

Channel 1: Mic1 flat eq
Channel 2: Mic2 flat eq
Channel 3: Mic1 HPF
Channel 4: Mic2 HPF

Is that possible?

No. You'd have to use external Y-leads. Only the 8-series can do that internally where you can route the same mic to as many channels as you like all with different processing and gain settings.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Paul Isaacs on July 22, 2020, 09:33:18 PM
Here's another question.

If I decided not to do 32bit float and wanted to go down to 24 bit again... 

How would I control the analog gain before the A/D?  Is there a certain system setting to make that happen?  or could I use the

Quote
Rec = Advanced
Gain = Basic
Channel = Advanced

and just drop the bit rate down to 24?  i don't think that would work though...  seems the knobs are always post A/D in that setting.

Just select 24-bit - the unit will then auto reconfigure the architecture to 24-bit.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 23, 2020, 09:30:34 AM
Thanks for always checking in with solid answers, Paul.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Paul Isaacs on July 25, 2020, 04:23:13 PM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: morst on July 25, 2020, 05:35:21 PM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>


PLEASE BE "HOLD" MODE!!!
(runner up, level control on wingman in certain modes)
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justme on July 26, 2020, 05:08:34 AM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>

Or a low cost power module with a wide range voltage input and 1 minute backup power allowing battery hot swap?

Or possibility to configure the power on/off to star button and HP rotator function to a channel rotator. :)
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Gordon on July 26, 2020, 10:15:35 PM


Or a low cost power module with a wide range voltage input and 1 minute backup power allowing battery hot swap?


with AA in the sled as "backup" I can hot swap USB batteries.....
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: morst on July 26, 2020, 11:33:45 PM
with AA in the sled as "backup" I can hot swap USB batteries.....
And with USB power, I can hot swap AA's!

Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 27, 2020, 08:45:13 AM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>

HOLD on a second!
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on July 27, 2020, 09:21:25 AM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>

Will this update be applicable to the legacy MP6?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Paul Isaacs on July 27, 2020, 04:41:17 PM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>

Will this update be applicable to the legacy MP6?



Yes!
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: noahbickart on July 27, 2020, 05:03:03 PM
Of course!
<Tease mode on.>
BTW, expect something that Tapers would very much like....Coming to the MixPre shortly!
<Tease mode off.>

Will this update be applicable to the legacy MP6?



Yes!

Perhaps adding support for 32-bit Float files in Wave Agent?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on July 27, 2020, 08:32:45 PM
I wonder if we'll see a new version of Wave Agent with macOS Catalina and beyond support.  Desktop iMac in my signature is running High Sierra but I picked up a new MacBook a couple months back that came with Catalina.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Paul Isaacs on July 27, 2020, 10:28:00 PM
I wonder if we'll see a new version of Wave Agent with macOS Catalina and beyond support.  Desktop iMac in my signature is running High Sierra but I picked up a new MacBook a couple months back that came with Catalina.

Wave Agent already works with Catalina .... it's all here in black and white ....
https://www.sounddevices.com/installing-wave-agent-on-mac-os-catalina/
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on July 27, 2020, 10:38:24 PM
I wonder if we'll see a new version of Wave Agent with macOS Catalina and beyond support.  Desktop iMac in my signature is running High Sierra but I picked up a new MacBook a couple months back that came with Catalina.

Wave Agent already works with Catalina .... it's all here in black and white ....
https://www.sounddevices.com/installing-wave-agent-on-mac-os-catalina/

Thank you Paul!  That worked like a charm I must have missed something before.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justme on July 28, 2020, 12:30:24 PM

MixPre Firmware 7.10

Released: July 28, 2020

https://www.sounddevices.com/download/

Introducing front panel locks. Press channel knobs 1, 2, and 3 to enter the new Front Panel menu. Lock transport controls, touchscreen, channel knobs, and/or the headphone knob to avoid accidental changes or when you are leaving your MixPre unattended.
Additional USB keyboard shortcuts:
Ctrl + M = Add cue marker
Ctrl + F = File transfer mode
9, 0 = Channel screens 9 and 10 on MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II
Ctrl + 1-0 =  Toggle arm status of channels 1-10
Option + 1-0 = Solo channels 1-10
Ctrl + Option +  1-0: Mute channels 1-10
1 + 2 + 3 = Enters Front Panel menu
Change

Holding down a key on a USB keyboard for >0.5s now repeats the command. This improves usability of keyboards for setting gain and other functions.
Fixed

Elapsed time display is no longer missing from the home screen status bar of the MixPre-3, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, and MixPre-6 II.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on July 28, 2020, 07:30:32 PM

MixPre Firmware 7.10

Released: July 28, 2020

https://www.sounddevices.com/download/

Introducing front panel locks. Press channel knobs 1, 2, and 3 to enter the new Front Panel menu. Lock transport controls, touchscreen, channel knobs, and/or the headphone knob to avoid accidental changes or when you are leaving your MixPre unattended.
Additional USB keyboard shortcuts:
Ctrl + M = Add cue marker
Ctrl + F = File transfer mode
9, 0 = Channel screens 9 and 10 on MixPre-10T and MixPre-10 II
Ctrl + 1-0 =  Toggle arm status of channels 1-10
Option + 1-0 = Solo channels 1-10
Ctrl + Option +  1-0: Mute channels 1-10
1 + 2 + 3 = Enters Front Panel menu
Change

Holding down a key on a USB keyboard for >0.5s now repeats the command. This improves usability of keyboards for setting gain and other functions.
Fixed

Elapsed time display is no longer missing from the home screen status bar of the MixPre-3, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, and MixPre-6 II.

SWEET!  Anyone try it out yet?  Throw a video on imgur.

BTW, THANKS PAUL!  I feel like you had a hand in this much desired feature.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on July 28, 2020, 09:16:26 PM
Updating from v7.0 only took a single reboot, performed the update but haven't had time to use after updating.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on July 29, 2020, 12:45:36 PM
Updated to v7.10 and the lock controls are great!  Haven't tested everything else out. 
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Gordon on July 29, 2020, 03:21:42 PM
I've tested a few things and so far so good.  haven't tested live recording ;)  the issues I had on v6 with using mics with mp as a usb interface (for zoom etc) is gone.  that likely could have been user error but it worked as intended on 4 and 7.10.  I restored to factory and reconfigured for good measure....
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: stober on September 14, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
I like the L mount batteries!  Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice.  With this you could use the Hirose as a backup.  I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1382309-REG/hawk_woods_sd_2_mixpwr_sound_devices_mix_pre.html
What's the difference in these two? I ordered the Hawk Woods one not seeing the other one but both are listed here at B&H.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on September 15, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
Same sled one is just rebranded as a Sound devices model!  The only difference is price.

I like the L mount batteries!  Sound devices is selling a rebranded Hawks-wood sled that is really nice.  With this you could use the Hirose as a backup.  I had the double sled initally, but prefer the MX-LM1 better for form factor. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1552857-REG/sound_devices_mx_lm1_l_mount_battery_sled_f_mizpre.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1382309-REG/hawk_woods_sd_2_mixpwr_sound_devices_mix_pre.html
What's the difference in these two? I ordered the Hawk Woods one not seeing the other one but both are listed here at B&H.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: mountaintaper on September 17, 2020, 01:17:21 AM
I've run a few shows now on my MixPre-10 II with 7.10 installed.  Loving it. My biggest grip with the mixpre was lack of a transport lock function.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on September 17, 2020, 07:15:12 PM
I've run a few shows now on my MixPre-10 II with 7.10 installed.  Loving it. My biggest grip with the mixpre was lack of a transport lock function.

I just did my first run with it an hour ago for a soundcheck.  loving the lock options on everything.

hopefully all goes well tonight too!
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on September 27, 2020, 05:48:20 AM
im back on team mixpre. got a first-gen 6 again, and am attempting to break SD cards at max bitrate with 7.10 ;)

refresh me if im wrong, the first thread on the gen IIs was long... apart from the adjustable limiters, the analog input path is identical in both units, correct?

there was a comparison file offered from Sound Devices that compared low-level sounds on the II series in both 24-bit and 32-bit modes (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=191640.msg2310463#msg2310463)

if you scroll down that page you will see the comp was criticized for not implementing dither on the 24-bit file

i wonder how the non-32-bit series I handles 24-bit. I would imagine dither would be implemented by default, but as Paul mentioned in the subsequent discussion, it was a design/implementation decision, decided to be of no consequence to the average user

that said, if dither is implemented correctly, could the series I at low level equal the performance of the series II at 32-bit (or perhaps be superior for those who choose to use series II in 24-bit?)
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on September 27, 2020, 10:45:29 PM
im back on team mixpre. got a first-gen 6 again, and am attempting to break SD cards at max bitrate with 7.10 ;)

refresh me if im wrong, the first thread on the gen IIs was long... apart from the adjustable limiters, the analog input path is identical in both units, correct?

there was a comparison file offered from Sound Devices that compared low-level sounds on the II series in both 24-bit and 32-bit modes (https://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=191640.msg2310463#msg2310463)

if you scroll down that page you will see the comp was criticized for not implementing dither on the 24-bit file

i wonder how the non-32-bit series I handles 24-bit. I would imagine dither would be implemented by default, but as Paul mentioned in the subsequent discussion, it was a design/implementation decision, decided to be of no consequence to the average user

that said, if dither is implemented correctly, could the series I at low level equal the performance of the series II at 32-bit (or perhaps be superior for those who choose to use series II in 24-bit?)

dude, first time out with the II series... never looking back.  32bit is a game changer.  i don't foresee me ever needing another recorder ever again, unless i buy another mixpreX II just to have a second deck for multi stage festivals. 

32bit is magic and completely relieves all my show anxiety around setting levels.

now i can focus my show anxiety toward location and setup (it's never going away.  lol )
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on September 27, 2020, 11:04:26 PM
im not really sold on 32-bit yet personally, though i ran my zoom that way in the few shows i had it before the world went to poop

i do appreciate the handiness of the modern multichannels like the zooms and mixpres, but the bit depth doesnt seem to be the limiting factor in the all-in ones, where the analog input stage is more of a compromise - in our typical situation you could fix your levels to a conservative level and not worry about it to the same effect

even the best dedicated pre and AD combo (which beats the all-in-ones by up to 20 dB or more in THD+N) cant really take advantage of the resolution that 32-bit float offers.

i did get through a full 7.5 hours at 8x24/192 with the mixpre6-I on FW 7.10 with a sandisk 128GB extreme without a hiccup, but thats just rolling file without real inputs.

I havent used that card in any other tests (and this is a different mixpre than the first one i did all the tests on) - so theres some variables to sort out. It could very well be they stopped the error reporting/file crash behavior and samples indeed are being dropped

ideally id like to see 'stable' operation (100 hrs at max bitrate with sinewaves that can demonstrate no dropped samples)
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Gutbucket on September 28, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
[snip..] if dither is implemented correctly, could the series I at low level equal the performance of the series II at 32-bit (or perhaps be superior for those who choose to use series II in 24-bit?)

[snip..] the bit depth doesnt seem to be the limiting factor in the all-in ones, where the analog input stage is more of a compromise - in our typical situation you could fix your levels to a conservative level and not worry about it to the same effect

even the best dedicated pre and AD combo (which beats the all-in-ones by up to 20 dB or more in THD+N) cant really take advantage of the resolution that 32-bit float offers.

To my mind, this is the primary question which remains outstanding concerning 32-bit recording:  Is the only real practical difference for tapers that for any given pair of microphones, one must first determine the optimal input level setting when recording in 24 bit?   After which one is able to "forget about levels" when recording in either mode?  24-bit being "set-once-then-forget" as long as the microphones used do not change, while 32-bit allows one to skip that initial set-once part? 

[edited to emphasize the "taping" constraint on the dynamic range requirements]
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on September 28, 2020, 07:33:46 PM
I don't have any actual evidence, but I suspect a V3 at 24bit/48 that is absolutely dialed in running as hot as possible without clipping *might sound better than a MixPre II in 32bf/48, exported to 24/48.

But would the end result be THAT much better?  idk. 

What I do know is that hitting record on the 32bf/48 is much easier and less worry and sounds fantastic.

that would be a fun experiment.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on September 28, 2020, 08:02:03 PM
I don't have any actual evidence, but I suspect a V3 at 24bit/48 that is absolutely dialed in running as hot as possible without clipping *might sound better than a MixPre II in 32bf/48, exported to 24/48.

But would the end result be THAT much better?  idk. 

'better' in out application? probably 'different'. but if you looking at a preamp as what comes in goes out, on a distortion basis

mixpre: 0.005% max (@1 kHz, 22-22 kHz BW, gain=20 dB, -10 dBu in)
that translates to about -86dB of harmonic distortion, with a relatively hot -10dBu input bumped to +10dBu

we dont really have a spec on mixpre in a high gain situation

V3 is 0.0011% (-99dB of harmonic distortion) gaining 40dB from -20dBU to +20 dBU
V3 is 0.0046% (-87dB) at an impressive 60dB gain from -40 to +20

some of the top-of-the-line preamps like a benchmark MPA1, are 0.0002 to 0.0004% (-108 to -112dB) in THD+N

but some people prefer distortion in their sound (transformer pres. etc)
and thats not to say the mixpre AD stage isnt optimized for a lower input level.

for the separate component preamp the goal is to try to get the signal as hot as possible to maximize the capabilities of the ADC

remember that the EIN of all these components are pretty fixed around -130dB. low level signals will always be at a disadvantage which can be overcome to an extent by putting a sensitive cap on a mic with high output (like a 4006 on an MMP-A)

in our application (micing PA in a room with a dynamic range of like 60 dB at best), all of this is relatively academic, and features win. As far as simplicity im pretty sur ei could go into any venue and set the V3 at 25dB of gain and walk out with a good recording (indistinguishable from a 32-bit recording) with levels peaking between -25 and -8 dBFS.

Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justink on September 28, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
I wish i had a local venue that I could go in with my entire locker of gear and just play "Radiohead - The National Anthem" on repeat and switch out pres, mics, A/D's, locations....  Maybe throw in some Pink Floyd.  That would be fun.

Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series - part 2
Post by: morst on January 07, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
SD has a guide for using the II series as an interface on mobile devices. They tease that it might work with the older machines as well.
https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre-ii-series-as-audio-interfaces-for-tablets-and-phones/
MixPre II Series as Audio Interfaces for Tablets and Phones
Posted on December 22, 2020
The following set-ups have been verified with the MixPre II Series, but may also work for the first generation MixPre Series.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on March 03, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Just ordered a Mixpre 6 ii... it'll be here Friday. I can't wait to focus on the show and not watching levels.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on March 07, 2021, 03:57:02 PM
Anyone using a Mixpre-10 with a two shelf Sonicase?  I would love to see a pic if anyone is running this setup.  I'm sure it would fit, but wondering how much extra space would be available.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on March 07, 2021, 04:04:29 PM
I wish i had a local venue that I could go in with my entire locker of gear and just play "Radiohead - The National Anthem" on repeat and switch out pres, mics, A/D's, locations....  Maybe throw in some Pink Floyd.  That would be fun.
buddy up to some local sound guys, im sure its possible. maybe in some way you could make it worth their while and help them dial their mixes in?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: aaronji on March 15, 2021, 01:38:59 PM
A new MixPre firmware update (v7.11) was released today.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on March 15, 2021, 02:10:13 PM
A new MixPre firmware update (v7.11) was released today.

This one doesn't seem to have much use to us, unless I'm missing something
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on March 15, 2021, 08:05:34 PM
Latest Firmware: MixPre Firmware 7.11

Released: March 15, 2021


Change
Default isolated track names in Audio projects are now “Ch1”, “Ch2”, “Ch3”, etc.

Fixed
MixPre no longer becomes unresponsive following Low Cut Filter changes when a channel is off.
Pressing a channel knob no longer incorrectly accesses the Channel screen while in a Music project and connected to a fader control surface with the channel knobs locked.
MixPre M models no longer have to be power cycled before recording or playing back if factory defaults are loaded while connected as a computer audio interface.
MixAssist now functions properly following a power cycle on MixPre II models.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on March 15, 2021, 08:42:53 PM
A new MixPre firmware update (v7.11) was released today.

This one doesn't seem to have much use to us, unless I'm missing something

seems like a few UI bug fixes are relevant. Remember that mfrs dont always publish *all* the fixes in a firmware upgrade

im also leery to fix-it-if-it-aint broke, as it takes days to properly test the SD cards for buffer errors on these units
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 19, 2021, 06:15:40 PM
I am upgrading to a Mixpre 10 and wanted to see what external batteries folks are using these days??  I have the Hawks-wood battery sled and L mount batteries, but would also like to have external power.  TIA
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on April 20, 2021, 12:04:00 PM
I’m probably an exception but have never looked back after moving out of dual output Tekkeon’s to Lithium Ion NP1 style batteries and a Remote Audio Battery Distribution System.  I use the Sound Devices MX-Hirose battery adapter on my MixPre 6.  If you are only planning to power a MixPre 10 you wouldn’t need a BDS and could just use an NP battery cup to Hirose 4 pin. 
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 21, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
^ Think I might try the Talentcell battery!  They seem to be popular.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jerryfreak on April 22, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
they now make talentcells with USB-C (which is required to run MPs at full power)

https://www.amazon.com/TalentCell-NB7102-Rechargeable-17500mAh-Smartphone/dp/B07RDFM55J

they are considerably more expensive than the Anker USB-C batts that run $20-$30 and are known to work well
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: aaronji on April 22, 2021, 09:53:59 AM
I don't think you can power a MixPre-10 via the USB-C port. At least, you couldn't with the first generation.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justme on April 22, 2021, 10:39:17 AM
I don't think you can power a MixPre-10 via the USB-C port. At least, you couldn't with the first generation.

Correct.
Not possible with second generation either.

MixPre 10 II
AA Batteries: 8x AA sled (included); Energizer Ultimate Lithium recommended
L-Mount: Optional sled for 2x (hot-swappable) Li-ion batteries
AC Adapter: XL-WPH3 (included): Universal, 45 W in-line AC-to-DC power supply Hirose 4-pin DC plug, with detachable IEC power cord; 100-240, 50/60Hz
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 22, 2021, 12:19:04 PM
The 10 doesn't use usbc batteries.  It has a hirose battery input.

they now make talentcells with USB-C (which is required to run MPs at full power)

https://www.amazon.com/TalentCell-NB7102-Rechargeable-17500mAh-Smartphone/dp/B07RDFM55J

they are considerably more expensive than the Anker USB-C batts that run $20-$30 and are known to work well
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on April 22, 2021, 01:14:54 PM
If you didn't want to go with NP1 style of battery with 4-pin Hirose cable then another viable option is Remote Audio Hi-Q battery with 4-pin Hirose adapter.  Either will also work with Battery Distribution System using appropriate battery to BDS adapter if you wanted to expand options down the line. 

NP1 Style and Hi-Q options are pro powering solutions and yes they do cost more, especially if adding a BDS but it's a lasting investment for rig power.  To me the "TalentCell" battery is on par with the Tekkeon's which I am so glad to have moved away from, they were also popular.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 27, 2021, 05:34:13 PM
So I'm getting my Mixpre 10 II setup and noticed every time I start it a message of timecode generator reset pops up.  Is there a way to stop this?  I have timecode turned off and I'm on the most current firmware.  TIA
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: aaronji on April 27, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
There was a new firmware release today (7.12); is that what you have installed? One of the updates relates to timecode, so, if not, maybe that helps?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 28, 2021, 05:43:20 AM
I am on the 7.12 firmware and it still happens.

There was a new firmware release today (7.12); is that what you have installed? One of the updates relates to timecode, so, if not, maybe that helps?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: aaronji on April 28, 2021, 02:51:15 PM
^ That's too bad. I figured it was kind of a long shot, but worth mentioning. Maybe try a factory reset? Otherwise, you might consider contacting SD's support unit. They are really responsive and helpful. I had a problem and they patiently walked me through quite a bit of trouble-shooting. In my case, they ended up deciding it was likely hardware and arranged all aspects of the return for me.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: GLouie on April 28, 2021, 04:14:29 PM
My MP10II (7.12) does this sometimes, too. It may be a feature, not a bug! No harm, no foul, you can dismiss it or it goes away after a few seconds.

I also just tried turning TC on, power cycling, then turning TC off - and now it doesn't do it.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 28, 2021, 05:25:57 PM
Thanks!  This seemed to work.

My MP10II (7.12) does this sometimes, too. It may be a feature, not a bug! No harm, no foul, you can dismiss it or it goes away after a few seconds.

I also just tried turning TC on, power cycling, then turning TC off - and now it doesn't do it.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Gordon on April 30, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
SD addressed this on the facebook group.  Basically there is a small internal battery for the time code.  When you see the warning it means it's not charged.  Leaving the unit on for a while will charge it and you won't see the warning.  Of course when the unit is powered off for a while it'll come back.  So nothing to worry about!
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on April 30, 2021, 10:26:12 AM
Okay, that makes since.  It hasn't been used in a while.

SD addressed this on the facebook group.  Basically there is a small internal battery for the time code.  When you see the warning it means it's not charged.  Leaving the unit on for a while will charge it and you won't see the warning.  Of course when the unit is powered off for a while it'll come back.  So nothing to worry about!
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: justme on May 11, 2021, 11:15:03 AM
MixPre Firmware 7.13
Released: May 11, 2021

Fixed



https://www.sounddevices.com/download/ (https://www.sounddevices.com/download/)
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on May 11, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
Thanks, got the e-mail from SD. 

But wow, first v7.11 on 3/15/21, then v7.12 on 4/27/21, followed by v7.13 on 5/11/21.  Hope they got it right this time!!!  Appreciate the updates but the releases feel careless and untested by manufacturer when they are so close together.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: GLouie on May 11, 2021, 01:27:16 PM
I'm not really concerned about the frequency of updates, it does mean they are addressing bugs quickly instead of waiting to gather them. I assume they considered the gain bug serious enough to warrant an immediate fix. The extra USB current looks like something they've already considered. My general concern is that any new update could be worse then the previous one - do I wait?

I never noticed the gain bug, but see that it came up on the unofficial SD Users Facebook page about May 2.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: morst on May 11, 2021, 03:16:02 PM

Hahaha I was just eyeballing that USB-A and wondering how well it would work as a charging port!?!!!

MixPre no longer enters a state where there are level discrepancies between channels.MixPre-3, MixPre-3M, MixPre-3 II, MixPre-6, MixPre-6M, and MixPre-6 II now provide a higher current on USB-A when the unit is powered via USB-C. USB-A provides up to 500 mA. Use a powered hub if your peripherals require more than 500 mA.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Gordon on May 24, 2021, 03:48:14 PM
anyone used 7.13 in the field?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on May 24, 2021, 03:56:22 PM
That is what I'm running currently!  Have only done some light home testing. 

anyone used 7.13 in the field?
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jsfrank on May 26, 2021, 05:55:35 PM
Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on May 26, 2021, 06:06:36 PM
Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.

Get the 20100 mah usb-c Anker battery from Amazon. AAs are only good for backup in these.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: morst on May 27, 2021, 12:18:00 AM
Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.

Get the 20100 mah usb-c Anker battery from Amazon. AAs are only good for backup in these.
that's the one. I should probably pick up a spare. Takes ten hours to charge via USB-C or about 24 hours to charge via USB-A but runs 4 kashmir preamps for about ten hours on my Mixpre6 (original version)
Helpfully, it has ten power level indicator dots so it's about one dot per hour up or down via USB-C with the thirsty preamps
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on May 27, 2021, 09:32:56 AM
It looks like they may have discontinued it in favor of a smaller product, which is not surprising since it's a brick.

This looks to be the replacement: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Portable-PowerCore-Essential-Compatible-dp-B08LG2X98F/dp/B08LG2X98F/ref=dp_ob_title_wld

Here's the bigger version of the one we have: https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charger-PowerCore-Portable-Delivery/dp/B07XRJZXKY/ref=sr_1_19?dchild=1&keywords=anker+20100&qid=1622122329&s=electronics&sr=1-19
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: Gordon on May 27, 2021, 09:42:58 AM
I like small and light!  More than enough time for a normal show mics + sbd

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XXP1SF9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: jbell on May 28, 2021, 07:21:11 AM
I have a nice L mount sled and batteries I can sell.  LMK if you are interested.

Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: dallman on May 28, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
Just got a 6 II. Struggling getting it up and running. Ordered AA lithiums as they suggested and still not enough power. Also with external. Next will buy the Sony L series.
SD is pretty clear that AA batteries are not going to cut it and at best are there if a mid switch of external batteries are required. I have had luck with just about any USB C external battery at 10,000 mah or higher, so that should not be a problem and if it is there could be a problem with the deck.

That said, I have grown fond of using the Sony L batteries. They do work well and last a long while.

While recording using external batteries with the MPII, I have the AA's as a backup using the 8 battery tray, and when I record using the Sony L batteries, I use a USB C external battery as a backup, so this way in case of any weird emergency which of course would only happen in a very important recording, I am protected.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DigiGal on May 30, 2021, 02:18:08 PM
NP-1 style Lithium-Ion batteries with assorted BDS’s and stand alone battery cups allow flexibility in power options with great run times for multiple devices in an audio bag or as stand alone.  It’s nice that the MixPre-D and MixPre-10 come equipped with Hirose 4-pin power ports. Too bad SD didn’t include them with MixPre-6 or MixPre-3 but at least there are Hirose adapters for these recorders.

I may be in the minority here but after dealing with Tekkeon issues I decided to make the jump and have never looked back. The USB-C battery options that appear to be popular are on par with Tekkeon.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: aaronji on June 01, 2021, 03:19:51 PM
SD is pretty clear that AA batteries are not going to cut it and at best are there if a mid switch of external batteries are required.

I don't know about that. I have recorded many shows using Eneloop Pros in the 8 AA sled. I think the longest was about four hours, with two channels of phantom, two of soundboard, and the mix (plus some playback on the train home). Since getting a USB-C battery, I mostly use that, with the 8 AA sled for redundancy, but I still sometimes rely solely on the AA's for shorter shows with no worries.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: dogmusic on June 01, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
SD is pretty clear that AA batteries are not going to cut it and at best are there if a mid switch of external batteries are required.

I don't know about that. I have recorded many shows using Eneloop Pros in the 8 AA sled. I think the longest was about four hours, with two channels of phantom, two of soundboard, and the mix (plus some playback on the train home). Since getting a USB-C battery, I mostly use that, with the 8 AA sled for redundancy, but I still sometimes rely solely on the AA's for shorter shows with no worries.

I've also run Eneloop Pros in the 8 AA sled, but with only two channels of phantom, at 24/192, and got just over 5 hours recording time.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: DavidPuddy on June 03, 2021, 12:16:33 PM
I saw a post by Sound Devices yesterday saying that they were halting production of the Mixpre 3 ii due to parts shortages. No estimate on restart date, so if you want one, now could be a good time.
Title: Re: New Sound Devices MixPre II-series coming? part 2
Post by: stancourtney on June 23, 2021, 09:24:02 PM
Ordered my MixPre-3 today, 23rd of June, from B & H