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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2009, 04:04:26 PM »
Led Zeppelin security used to smash your gear and then beat the shit out of you...  There's a story about Peter Grant beating the crap out of some guy that had a microphone at a LedZep show.  Turns out the guy was a local cop with a Decibel Meter...  Oops!

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2009, 04:38:21 PM »
And Metallica hasn't been open taping for about 12 years.

They were open around '91-'92 and then I think the policy was changed for no good reason.  I had a taper ticket for them in '91.  Lars says that with their soundboard recordings people don't need to bring in gear and do their own recording. Appears he is a soundboard snob and hasn't heard a good audience pull. Then again, his ears must have damage because he thinks Death Magnetic isn't distorted.
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2009, 11:57:19 PM »
I was eventually banned from the [insert venue name#1 here] for making recordings without the permission of a band. It took me over a year before the manager of the club would even let me come to any show there, wouldn't even let me enter the building.

Now, fast forward about a decade. Ani DiFranco had guest listed me and given me permission to make a recording (audience only) of her show at another local venue [#2]. Everyone was very nice, I had Neumann KM54s and my DAT set up next to the soundboard. Well, I knew the guy who was running the lights and it turned out the lighting booth got a feed from the soundboard so they could keep track of the show and know when to do what, lighting wise. So he and I are in that room, with the door shut, setting up another DAT machine to get that feed (stealth). Getting some buzz in the signal, trying to figure out why and how to fix it. Well, in walks my buddy's boss. And his boss' boss. And his boss's boss' boss. Saying 'What the hell do you think you're doing?" (Cost my buddy his job, though he said he didn't care). So then the manager of the entire venue [#2] takes me outside the lighting booth and is chewing me out good "Ani was good enough to guest list you and give you permission to make an audience tape and this is how you act?" etc. Ten minutes solid he's chewing me out, and guess who walks up as he's doing so? Well it's the venue [#2] manager's friend, the former manager of The [insert venue name#1 here], the guy who banned me from The [insert venue name#1 here], to hear me get the lecturing. [insert venue name#1 here] manager tells his friend how he banned me. Yikes! For a year or two after that, whenever I'd go to that venue [#2], they would assign a person or two to follow me wherever I went and watch me like a hawk to make sure I wasn't doing anything I shouldn't. Thankfully, the venue [#2] was sold, new management now who don't recognize me, hehehe!

Another time, at this as yet unnamed venue [#2], I successfully made a stealth audience recording.  My main concern was not the ushers, who are mostly looking for pot smokers, but the other audience members, who in recent years seem to contain higher numbers of rat finks.  My buddy was a few seats away, stealthing with a virtually identical rig, and an audience member finked on him.  As he was leaving the hall, they stopped him and demanded the tape.  He said what are you talking about and demanded to be allowed to leave.  They followed him as he went to the parking lot and got in his car, still demanding the tape.  Then they stood around his car and wouldn't let him pull out of the parking lot.  This went on for awhile, with the addition of the (famous national artist's) road manager, until the sheriff showed up.  Says to my buddy, so do you want to give up the tape or spend the night in jail and then talk to the judge in the morning, even if he let's you off?  So my buddy, realizing what he should have done an hour ago, gives up the tape.

Fast forward a night or two.  Same artist playing another city an hour and a half away.  My friend gets inside the venue, is settling down into his seat (with his rig) and security comes up and tells him he is no longer welcome at shows by [the as yet unnamed famous national artist].  They had been on the lookout for him.  He says he really regrets not surrendering the tape at first request at the previous gig, as that would have allowed him to remain anonymous, as status he lost with that as yet unnamed famous national artist.

Myself, as soon as the show ends, I take out the tape, hide it, and put a decoy in the deck.

There was a period when I would do stealth soundboards!  Get my gear in and secretly connect to the board!  Successfully.  Repeatedly.  But once, at a long weekend festival, I returned to the board area and found my gear still there but unplugged.  I promptly gathered it up.  Nobody said a word but if looks could kill...  Kinda a rude thing of me to have done in those days, stealth soundboards, especially now that I'm on the other end, being paid to do multitracks on behalf of artists and record companies, etc., and knowing that the one time someone plugged into my gear at a festival, where I was recording for a radio station, without asking, I got very pissed - in fact I still hold a grudge against the band whose 'archivist' did that without asking.

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 01:14:48 AM »
Don't have nearly the story that Easy Ed has, but here it goes...

But got caught coming into a Boz concert in Chicago in the 70's.  We'd have decoys carry the stuff in with the tapers doing the blocking.  When caught, we played keep away with a Sony deck.  Seriously, a series of 10 foot forward passes down the arena. 

Mikes got through, and ultimately the rig was passed down to me in the aisle.  Security was frigging pumped up and scoured the place like a prison shake down. 

Once the music started, it took a small squad of goons to get to us, and the Sony unit was passed around (again).  Not a very good tape that night.  Did get the opening--Lowdown though.  Great version, I must admit.   

In my EC and ABB days, we just bribed the showco roadies with drugs.  An eighth of powder or some Thai sticks, and you were golden.  They were all cool, so long as you didn't (old expression) "front yourself off to the man."

With modern caps, digital bit boxes, lithium batteries, and 16g sd cards, you'd have to be pretty stoned to caught these days.  Set it and forget it as the Ronco commercial said. 
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 02:18:55 PM »
What happens if you get caught stealth taping if the band or venue dosen't allow taping?

By this time you have lots of stories.
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2009, 10:06:37 AM »
I was denied once....couldn't convince the security at the gate that my JB3 was a CD player.  "No electronic devices allowed".  Period.  Even with the story that I was dropped off at the venue and had no place to put it for the show, she said I could leave it at the front with all the other crap not allowed (long wallet chains, large key clips, studded arm bands, etc) or possibly ask an EMT to put it in their ambulance.  I just took the gear back to the car and went back to the show.  Irony was, my friend got the show but on the way out was approached by an usher outside the building.  The guy tried to get us to go back in, kept asking for the gear, etc.  He tried to give this long as spiel about it being illegal, etc.  My friend gave me his JB3 slyly and I walked off property and we met up later so I could return it. 
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2009, 10:26:27 AM »
Like Moke, I got busted in the early 80's at the Greek in Berkely before they allowed open taping. Second set, I get asked for the tape and batteries. I gve them up, smiled and made nice. After the show as I was leaving and saw Healy chatted a bit and gave me a SBD copy of the show. I asked him why he took mine in the first place,he said he wanted to hear what it sounded like from where I was.

The moral of ths story,you never know, be kind and have a back up plan.

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2009, 03:22:13 PM »
I asked him why he took mine in the first place,he said he wanted to hear what it sounded like from where I was.

The moral of ths story,you never know, be kind and have a back up plan.

Tim

Thats classic, good ol healy. Thanks for contributing to the good mix on that show  ;)

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2009, 04:52:11 PM »
Huh. I stand corrected re: Metallica.  I feel like I have a tape of them from 1997 or later - maybe even 1999 - recorded with an AKG414 rig that definitely could not be stealthed.

Anyway, my point is the same - I think it makes logical sense for bands to strongly oppose the sharing of their official releases.  But taping, especially in today's environment, is a promotional tool (unless your band is terrible live, I guess).

And Metallica hasn't been open taping for about 12 years.

They were open around '91-'92 and then I think the policy was changed for no good reason.  I had a taper ticket for them in '91.  Lars says that with their soundboard recordings people don't need to bring in gear and do their own recording. Appears he is a soundboard snob and hasn't heard a good audience pull. Then again, his ears must have damage because he thinks Death Magnetic isn't distorted.

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2009, 05:17:06 AM »
I personally never got caught since my 1st taping session in early 1987...back then I was using teh Sony Professional tape recorder :), but lots of guys around me got caught.
Done more than a 100 shows since then.
My advice:
Use the samllest but best gear you can get.
I use DPA4061 and SP-CMC-8 mics with my iriver H120 or any other small flash-card-based recording device.
In my area there are even clubs that don´t have any securities at all. At this places it would be easy to record with more professional gear like phantom powered DPA 402x or Schoeps mics.

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2009, 12:09:33 PM »
I personally never got caught since my 1st taping session in early 1987...back then I was using teh Sony Professional tape recorder :), but lots of guys around me got caught.
Done more than a 100 shows since then.
My advice:
Use the samllest but best gear you can get.
I use DPA4061 and SP-CMC-8 mics with my iriver H120 or any other small flash-card-based recording device.
In my area there are even clubs that don´t have any securities at all. At this places it would be easy to record with more professional gear like phantom powered DPA 402x or Schoeps mics.



Same thing here  ;).
The smaller the better.
Portable and stealthable are not the same thing IMHO.
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2009, 12:35:49 PM »
I am from Quebec (Canada) and here taping is really easy. In both small and big venues, I've never been caught. In fact, people juste doesn't care.
I can set up my rig in front of everyone without being interrupted or bothered. Maybe it's a cultural matter... Anyway, I have been able to do stealth at bars, clubs, concert halls, stadiums, festivals without being checked by security or asked to leave. One time, I was setting up my rig at a small bar gig and one of the musician spotted me. He came to me and asked what I was doing. I told him I was a fan of his music and that I liked the feeling of live gigs. I told him I wanted to capture his live energy and be able to listen to it after. I also told him that I wasn't going to sell any of my recordings. He then told me he was flattered and finally asked me if I could give him a copy of the tape (I said yes!).
The next week, the guy has put me on a guest list for a show where I was the only one allowed to tape. I gave him a copy of both recordings and this day my Open Taping Career started!

I do less and less stealth taping because I enjoy too much having the liberty to set up my rig where I really want. I don't get to be the human mic stand anymore!
Smaller venues are the best for open taping. Why is that? Simply because it's more easy to talk to the artists or to the manager. You simply explain what you want to do. Most of the bands are really flattered that you want to record them, and some other will just don't care but will let you tape anyway. What is the worst thing that could happen? They could say no. If so, there is always the possibility to do stealth. ;-)

Also, don't forget the power of Myspace.com. Every band has it's myspace. Send them a message where you ask them if you can tape at their next venue. You could be surprised how open minded are the bands.
Be nice and clear. Don't be an asshole and you'll probably end up open taping one of your favourite band. Maybe you'll tape some more of their shows too. Try it, you don't risk much!

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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
Led Zeppelin security used to smash your gear and then beat the shit out of you...  There's a story about Peter Grant beating the crap out of some guy that had a microphone at a LedZep show.  Turns out the guy was a local cop with a Decibel Meter...  Oops!

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I believe that was Vancouver between 69-71. I was really big into Zeppelin collecting for a while and I remember coming across the story.
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Re: What are usually the consequences of getting caught?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2009, 11:33:54 PM »
I've only stealthed a couple shows and they didn't involve security. Well, one did, but there was not problem.

I primarily tape openly around my hometown and I've never had a band, local or visiting, turn down a request to tape. In some cases, nobody even asks. It's like they don't notice the 8-foot stand with mics on the top. I do owe several people some discs, through. Behind on my mailing! :P ::)


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