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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2004, 04:11:31 PM »
so...

we have decided for a preamps:

Grace = "Bright"
Apegee  =  "Edgey"

so the answer is to match your pre with your mics??..

ie.  dont use a "bright mic" with a "bright pre"  ??

what do you guys think?

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2004, 04:18:51 PM »
we have decided for a preamps:

Grace = "Bright"
Apegee  =  "Edgey"

I don't think "we" have decided anything.  I posted my more detailed impressions of the different pieces of gear to try to draw out some discussion instead of limiting ourselves to one-word descriptions of the sound.  In doing so, some agreed, others disagreed.  That's all, nothing more.

so the answer is to match your pre with your mics??

ie.  dont use a "bright mic" with a "bright pre"  ??

Definitely.  But match them to YOUR ears.  Matching preamps and mics is definitely an important consideration when picking out gear.  But if the warm-mod-UA5 v. V3 comparisons performed previously are any indication, we ALL have different playback systems, ears/brains, and preferences.  I don't think there's a hard and fast rule.
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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2004, 09:58:43 PM »
we have decided for a preamps:

Grace = "Bright"
Apegee  =  "Edgey"

I don't think "we" have decided anything.  I posted my more detailed impressions of the different pieces of gear to try to draw out some discussion instead of limiting ourselves to one-word descriptions of the sound.  In doing so, some agreed, others disagreed.  That's all, nothing more.

so the answer is to match your pre with your mics??

ie.  dont use a "bright mic" with a "bright pre"  ??

Definitely.  But match them to YOUR ears.  Matching preamps and mics is definitely an important consideration when picking out gear.  But if the warm-mod-UA5 v. V3 comparisons performed previously are any indication, we ALL have different playback systems, ears/brains, and preferences.  I don't think there's a hard and fast rule.

a good example of this would be me.....i run 480's, said to be a "bright" mic, and i used to run a dmic-20, said to be a "bright" pre, w/ detail, but bright, and when i ran the v3, said to be "bright", it wasnt as bright as the dmic- but w/ TONS more detail, 2 pretty bright things, but w/ exceptional clarity, so what im saying is, there is no BEST decision, only one that fits you and your needs... 8)

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2004, 11:16:54 PM »
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I posted my more detailed impressions of the different pieces of gear to try to draw out some discussion instead of limiting ourselves to one-word descriptions of the sound.

I think you can give those descriptions because you have good playback gear and you can hear things like "extended highs, soft on attack but long on decay" as compared to "more pronounced highs, brings out the attack in the highs".....I know I can't really hear that much detailed info on my shitbag playback....hence the one word generalizations. I describe some of these pieces of gear from the feeling i get from the sound as compared to others, when comparing on the same system........But in heinsight (sp.) Generalizing probably leads to inaccurate misconceptions. But i know the feeling i get when listening to ak40 > v3 as opposed to ak40 > apogee for example....
one is *tight* and *detailed* (perhaps a better choice of words than accurate) and the other is *warm*
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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2004, 11:20:57 AM »
this thread is really funny :lol:

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2004, 04:22:35 PM »
this thread is really funny :lol:

Sure is.  Since HEARING is a matter of playback system, and ears.  After AGONIZING RESEARCH (with $$ being no object) I went with the TLM170's & V3 , because with the mikes phased correctly, the setup is ROOM ACCURATE.  My recordings sound EXACTLY like the room sounded (for better or worse).  The mikes and pre have almost ZERO coloration to them, and I've found the A/D to be crisp and accurate, adding no coloration of it's own.  If I want to change how my recording sounds, I can do it in POST PROCESSING, with a good set of headphones, and an FFT Scope.

As far as Doug & Jim go, I know both of them OVER 20 years (when most people here were playing with Mr. Microphones).  Dougs most telling comment, pertains to your EARS.  Some people have a "musical ear" and some don't.  It really comes down to INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCE.  I can replace some caps in a pre, and tell you it sounds "warmer with crisper soaring highs, like a Colorado Breeze after an early spring snow", and I'm trying to translate a perception into words.  Not saying that mods don't do what they're claimed to do, but some of the descriptions are, like, oh, wow man <wink>.

LISTEN to the combo of equipment you want to record thru.  I fell in love with the TLM170's from patching the Oades setup at many shows.  SWORE I'd NEVER SPEND $4K on a pair of microphones.  But when I came time to buy a new front end for myself, and $$ was no object, they were the ONLY CHOICE - NOTHING out there touches them for transparancy & versatility.  And I'm not playing "my mikes are better than your mikes", it's just a FACT.  The same goes for the LunaTech -  $$ being no object, for the SOUND, VERSATILITY & FEATURE SET (the level LED's are what sold me really <g>), combined with the 170's, NOTHING TOUCHES IT.

I understand most people here aren't going to spend $6K on a recording setup (ESPECIALLY to plug into a JB3 <BFG> only kidding, I have a D-10P also).  And I'm REALLY an asshole, cause I don't really tape that much anymore besides.  So, to take a UA5 and modify it in an attempt to make it sound closer to a "standard" in field recording, is an admirable (and cost effective) thing to do.

But the - FINAL JUDGE - is the OWNERS EARS!  A price tag can't be put on what YOU LIKE - be it plain old condensor mikes and a D8, or an insanely expensive setup like I run.  When I bring my camera stuff (Canon D10, 70-200mm/f:2.8L and 16-35/f:2.8L) into a show too - I'm hauling close to $13 GRAND worth of gear in - for JUST A HOBBY - NOW THAT'S JUST FUKKIN INSANE - but OH, the tapes and photo's I come away with <BFG>)

Flowery descriptions are nice.  Take the CONSUMER GRADE CRAP out of your pre-amps and replace what you can with the best QUALITY COMPONANTS you can, and you're bound to be happier.

The goal here is -ACCURACY-, NOT COLORATION...

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2004, 04:30:02 PM »
I've gone the oppossite route... u89s/m148/modsbm-1 because most of the taping I do is inside poor rooms, with mediocre pa systems... I don't really want an accuarte representation of crap. My playback is very clean so it all balances out.
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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2004, 04:30:55 PM »
As far as Doug & Jim go, I know both of them OVER 20 years (when most people here were playing with Mr. Microphones).  

Not sure what this has to do with the subject at hand.

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2004, 04:36:18 PM »
As far as Doug & Jim go, I know both of them OVER 20 years (when most people here were playing with Mr. Microphones).  

Not sure what this has to do with the subject at hand.

-JB

if you personally know Doug and/or Jim you are inherently more qualified to comment on gear.  :P
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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2004, 04:57:00 PM »
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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2004, 05:07:45 PM »
As far as Doug & Jim go, I know both of them OVER 20 years (when most people here were playing with Mr. Microphones).  

Not sure what this has to do with the subject at hand.

-JB

if you personally know Doug and/or Jim you are inherently more qualified to comment on gear.  :P

Not at all.  Doug is quoted here, as if he were Dan Healey or something (not to slight his technical knowlege for a second, he's the ONLY GUY that touches my decks - for better or worse).  

Just commenting that I've been taping with the Oade Brothers for many years before they became the "Famous Oade Brothers Audio".  They (as well as I) learned through the time honered tradition of going out there and MAKING TAPES.  My allusion, was to TRUST YOUR GUT and your EARS.  

The only person that has to be pleased with our tapes, IS OURSELVES (unless someone is PAYING us to make 'em).

Didn't mean to OFFEND anyone - apologies all around if I DID...

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2004, 05:10:52 PM »
i'm sure you didn't :)

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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2004, 09:34:26 PM »
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Didn't mean to OFFEND anyone - apologies all around if I DID...

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I don't think you offended anyone. It is a good discussion and your opinion is certainly welcome, IMO. Now post some tapes so we can give a listen :)
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Re:Warm Mod UA5=Grace Sound, Presence Mod UA5=Apogee
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2004, 10:36:57 PM »
we were just razzing you a bit...
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