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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2014, 06:21:34 PM »
Apple is doomed  :'(

$400 could have grabbed a limited edition Chrome Neil Young signature model with hand crafted leather case and pre-loaded with his two favorite albums.  That actually was a missed opportunity because those are the only ones that will be worth anything long term since he's behind this device.  The best investment bet now is to wait for the artist signature RED "Bono-Pono" to be announced, this name alone is priceless.
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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2014, 07:01:47 PM »
I look forward to the Bono Pono
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I think the fact that his kickstarter goal reached 200% within one day was why this was getting all it's press right now.

Do we think this could at least inspire people to strive for better quality, or get the conversation rolling?  Maybe it will get other folks to come up with something that is more well-conceived?
Without someone like him bringing it up, it just never even gets on the radar of the masses.

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2014, 07:45:43 PM »
Will Neil have to give the "pro-Bono Pono" model away for free?
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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2014, 08:16:29 PM »
Will Neil have to give the "pro-Bono Pono" model away for free?

Unfortunately, that model requires the purchase of a country in Africa.

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2014, 08:50:38 PM »
i do like the shitstorm that's erupted online about 24 bit audio.

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

then these guys: http://vimeo.com/88705147  who keep calling it "pono" as if it's something more than a hi-res flac player.

i am a 24 bit adherent based on my own anecdotal experience... but i'm probably/could be wrong. we hear what we want to hear...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ



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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2014, 09:26:00 PM »
OK, my two cents.
It's a portable player.
It plays WAV, Apple Lossless and FLAC
It takes external media
It uses high quality components
Ergonomics lost to audio engineering decisions
Digital out would be nice in version 2.0

Not sure it's a $400 device, but I'd like to try one.
Since Apple seems have left the pure player space, there's hopefully room for a new unit.
Will hype allow it to sell better than engineering specs? time will tell.
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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2014, 11:12:09 PM »
i do like the shitstorm that's erupted online about 24 bit audio.

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html


+T db  excellent, primary source of info on this subject

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2014, 12:15:34 AM »
> http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

A long, delicious take down, even as I think Blu-ray and higher-resolution audio is great and does sound better to me.

I appreciate Neil Young's dedication to craft and sound. His music is sensitive or angry, complex and inspiring. But it was jarring to see a decidedly un-hi-fi video promo featuring suck-up musicians whose ears are likely not that great promoting a product that promises nirvana. Marketing dud. From a fucking car? Bottom line: Invest in a high-end stereo. If you are running 16/44, the sound will be just fine. But you'll probably feel better -- if not hear better -- at a higher resolution.

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2014, 12:54:06 AM »
The mind plays wonderful tricks.

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2014, 01:03:25 AM »
If not Pono what?

Don't care about bit rate/sample rate but would like

High capacity, solid state storage
Apple Lossless, FLAC and WAV
Good UI
Product Support
Portable

Haven't heard good reviews of the FiiO, Apple doesn't do FLAC and aren't building dedicated players.
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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2014, 02:23:38 AM »
see if you can open this: http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/JAES/20140313/JAES_V55_9_PG775hirez.pdf

i can because of my aes membership. if not, pm me and i'll email the pdf.
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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2014, 09:35:48 AM »
Good read. 

The second to last paragraph is the point I was making earlier.  It says 'High resolution audio discs don't have the overwhelming majority of program material crammed into the top 20 (of even 10) db of available dynamic range, as so many CDs today do.'

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2014, 02:16:44 PM »
Don't nearly all portable recorders function as playback devices?  There is your Pono, and you already own it!

They do, and I use my M10 for this purpose but it fails on a couple of things.

1. Only WAV and MP3 playback. No FLAC or ALAC support
2. UI, I can organize by folder, display does not handle long file names well and it orders file by creation date. Not dealbreakers for me, but it keeps my wife tied to her iPod Classic.
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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2014, 03:58:58 PM »
Don't nearly all portable recorders function as playback devices?  There is your Pono, and you already own it!

half the point of the Pono is the ESS Sabre DAC and analog stage designed by Ayre

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Re: Neil Young's Pono music player hits kickstarter
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2014, 04:35:56 PM »
Don't nearly all portable recorders function as playback devices?  There is your Pono, and you already own it!

half the point of the Pono is the ESS Sabre DAC and analog stage designed by Ayre

that's a selling point for sure... also the simple fact that it plays flacs. but they don't really highlight the hq innards as much as they do the hi-res audio format argument. 

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