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Acoustic Research The Table
« on: November 29, 2015, 12:45:22 AM »
I just received my new toy the other day and have been busy cleaning it up and bringing it back to its glory. I've done a few mods to it, however, it came to me already a bit hot rodded with a Vinyl Nirvana motor, spikes and RCA plugs installed. I had to do a bit of work cleaning up the plinth, relubing, polishing the subplatter and platter, applying multiple coats of tung oil and adding some shrink tube to the arm tube. I also buffed out the dust cover and threw on an older AT cartridge. I have to say it looks and sounds nice. Almost as nice as my $5,000 rig. I could live with and be very happy with this rig.

Back in the mid to late 80's this was the table I wanted. This was before the internet and since there were no AR dealers around me I ended up buying a Dual CS5000. Well, this week my fortunes have change and i stumbled across this one. My plan is to continue to tweak it out. I'm going to make a bottom for it and also replace the tonearm board with a carbon fiber board. I will also add some damping material to the metal part of the plinth, too. (Thinking of making a carbon fiber plinth for the stock metal plate)

I'm still deciding on a budget cartridge for it and I might go with an Ortofon 2M red. I've read some nice things about that cartridge and might as well find out what all the fuss is about. I'mm running an Audio Technica PM7000, that sounds pretty good. I was also thinking about having it sprayed black at a car paint shop but the plinth is in pretty good shape and that would seem to be a shame. But after all the black carbon on it, this might be the way I go.

When all is said and done I'll be passing it on and will post it here. I keep everyone updated with the progress.

 

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 10:19:19 PM »
Update already. I just ordered 24X24 1/4 plexiglass, which I will be making a bottom out of, as well as, 3 arm boards. One will be cut for the Linn arm and the other two I will leave blank for future use.

I'm still not sure on whether I will have it sprayed automotive black or leave the wood grain. Suggestion are welcomed.

Anyway, I've been listening to it and have been enjoying it. It really is a well balanced table and beats the snot out of the Rega P3 I had for as short while, both in sonics and build. Although, the RB300 is a better arm than the Linn arm. However, the mod I did to the Linn certainly brings it up a notch.

Listening and looking at this table, I can't help to think that I'm glad I didn't buy it back in 1987. If I did I may not have ever bought another table.

The Plexiglass should be to me in a week and by Christmas I should have everything cut and installed. I'll post pictures of the progress.

BTW, your opinion matters on the paint. Let me know what you think! I could even paint it Red or some other crazy color!

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2015, 09:39:34 AM »
leave the wood grain...while sharp colors can look incredible I feel most vinyl folks would prefer something more traditional for the long term.

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 11:36:44 AM »
I'm a long time audio gear geek; but unfortunately no wallet to match, so I have to live vicariously.  As such, I always enjoy reading your stuff here and thanks for posting pics. I think the wood is too classic; I "wood" keep it!  ;)

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2015, 05:24:42 PM »
Two for wood. It's going to be a tough call.....as I think black or red would look the business. Others?

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2015, 06:24:36 PM »
make that three for wood.

Are you ever going to try an idler?

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 06:29:40 PM »
Four for the wood.  In a day and age where we're surrounded by black plastic (or other colors), she's a classic and looks great the way she is. 

Thanks for sharing, raymonda!

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2015, 07:49:34 PM »
This thread is all about the wood, man.....

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2015, 10:14:37 PM »
OK.....if I stay with wood I have got to put 20 coats of paste wax on it to get a real nice high gloss finish on it. The oil look is fine but I want  a shinny coat that hits you with a wow! With a buffed out platter and clear acrylic arm board and bottom that might go the distance. It will save me money but take much more muscle and time.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2015, 10:17:38 PM »
make that three for wood.

Are you ever going to try an idler?

I always wanted to try to mod an Empire, although that is a belt drive. That might be my next project. A modded out Empire with an SME 309 arm would be sweet.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2015, 10:57:47 PM »
Here's a shot of what a auto painted black table would look like. Now what do you think?
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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2015, 12:57:13 AM »
It looks really good but, IMHO, I like the wood better.  And irony of ironies, you can see the wood grain from the table mirrored in the shiny black finish so it still looks like wood, lol. 

If you prefer the black paint, then that's what you should go with.  It is your table after all and will be a beauty either way. :)

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2015, 01:01:05 AM »
I'm pretty stupid and even I say wood...

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2015, 01:47:47 AM »
Well, either way I have to decide quickly. I don't want to do the mods.....put it back together and decide to paint it and have to take it apart again.

So, since in the end I will be passing it on, and the majority here likes the wood look.....and, I imagine that the sample here represent folks on audiogon, usaudiomart and audioasylum, then, wood is what it will be. However, I will need to poly or paste wax it. For it to look good oiled, it needs to be oiled often. I'm not into that.

I just order some dynamat to damp some strategic parts. I should have all the parts I need to get to work on this over the weekend and have in done in a week or two.

Meanwhile, I listening to it between other audio projects done in the digital domain. It is still pretty amazing how good this sounds in comparison to my reference. Most folks, with less than a super critical ear might not care either way......it is that close! However, the devil is in the details and that is where my reference beats it out but it is not a land slde, as it was with my Thorens TD166 MKII. And, I haven't even tried a really good cartridge on it yet.

Now I know why Sam Tellig has kept his for 30 some odd years and believes he doesn't need more.

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2015, 04:45:08 AM »
Have you ever painted anything to a fine high gloss finish?
The base prep is intense.  If its not perfect, it will show every detail.  Then there is the dust factor; every speck of dust will show, and you'll want to wipe it off.  Wiping leads to the same thing as dust cover swirlies. Before you know it, it will be scratched up from wiping the dust off.
I've done huge amounts of fine finishing, and can speak to this from an experts level (numerous award winning homes, with magazine articles, and one cover in magazines; and yachts). Its a commitment.

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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2015, 09:17:11 AM »
Have you ever painted anything to a fine high gloss finish?
The base prep is intense.  If its not perfect, it will show every detail.  Then there is the dust factor; every speck of dust will show, and you'll want to wipe it off.  Wiping leads to the same thing as dust cover swirlies. Before you know it, it will be scratched up from wiping the dust off.
I've done huge amounts of fine finishing, and can speak to this from an experts level (numerous award winning homes, with magazine articles, and one cover in magazines; and yachts). Its a commitment.

Yes, that is why for wood I prefer paste wax. No worries about dust during the finishing process, as well as, it comes out looking smooth and rich. It is labor intensive, though!

For automotive paint I have an auto bodyman who would do it.

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2015, 09:37:47 AM »
Here is a red one. It is getting to be a tough call. Still for wood grain?


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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2015, 09:47:21 AM »
black over red but put me in the wood camp.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2015, 10:48:55 AM »
That red color is hawt! 

I think you should determine which color sounds better and go with that...

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2015, 12:56:58 PM »
Ray, count me in the wood category. But if the choice is Black vs red, I'd go red. it just looks cool!
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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2015, 12:59:59 PM »
black over red but put me in the wood camp.

x2.  The red makes it look like a contemporary Rega or Music Hall.  Just my 0.02. 

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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2015, 03:57:56 PM »
Wood, for the second round.

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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2015, 07:11:21 PM »
Ray it seems trying to make a call based on this group might be a bigger challenge that you thought
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2015, 08:34:35 PM »
Well, due to popular demand it is staying wood. Wednesday I put the last coat of tung oil on it and steel wooled it. Today I put on 7 coats of paste wax. It is looking good. I'll put another 5-7 coats on it over the weekend. By then the acrylic should be in and I'll make the bottom and arm boards. I'll also apply damping material to specific areas and if I sell my PSB's get a new cartridge for it and call it done.

I'll enjoy it for a while and then up for sale it will go. Hopefully, I can afford to keep it for a while before parting with it.

If I get some good light this week, after finishing with the paste wax, I'll post an updated pic.

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2015, 12:27:59 AM »
10 coats of paste wax.

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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2015, 12:31:18 AM »
Look close and you can see I connected the cartridge clip wrong. Oops, I'll have to fix it in the morning.

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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2015, 09:39:31 AM »
that is a pretty table

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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2015, 10:09:24 AM »
I had an ES-1 years ago and liked it a lot.  Had an SME 309 on it and some basic mods including lead mat.  Such a beautiful-sounding table.  That finish looks great.  Nice score.

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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2015, 10:24:46 AM »
Looking great Ray!
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2015, 04:17:00 PM »
Now thats a fine finish!

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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2015, 07:25:47 PM »
Already put another 3 coats on. I think I'm happy where it is at now. Now for the mods.....waiting for ups.

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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2015, 03:23:58 PM »
DUDE!  STOP IT PLEASE!!!!!! 

I keep reading your vinyl threads and I keep getting the urge to re-invest in a vinyl set up........
 
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2015, 01:38:08 PM »
Final coats. I'm not sure if this comes across in the pictures but this is the last coat of paste wax I will apply. I did around 20 coats of hand buffed, paste wax finishing. I'm happy.

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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2015, 07:40:58 PM »
I'd be happy too; she looks dynamite!  Definitely a noticeable difference with the additional coats of wax. 

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2015, 08:29:01 PM »
I change my mind - I think you should paint it.  (Just kidding.... ;D ;D ;D).  Looks gorgeous; you did a great job! 

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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2015, 12:27:58 AM »
My Dynamat and spikes came in today, so I applied the dynamat. Only one thing left is for the acrylic to get in and then to fabricate the bottom and arm boards. i think I should have it done by the end of the week, if the acrylic gets in tomorrow.

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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2015, 01:16:50 PM »
Ray / Or Others

Would you recommend paste wax for speaker cabinets ? if not what would you use to keep wood speaker cabinets looking sharp.
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2015, 05:34:15 PM »
It depends on how they were fnished.

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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2015, 06:47:44 AM »
Good decision on keeping the wood finish. Beautiful.
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2015, 09:19:22 PM »
The acrylic should be cut and ready for install tomorrow.

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« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2015, 01:04:49 AM »
Stunning!

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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2015, 09:38:00 AM »
I second Terry's "stunning"! Sooo pretty!
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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2015, 03:09:54 PM »
Just received the call that all pieces are cut and ready to go. I think you guys are going to really like the outcome, when all is said and done. I'm still searching for a cartridge. I'm not sure yet what I will grab. I wish I didn't sell my Adcom Soundsmith!

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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2015, 12:12:50 AM »
Arm board installed, as well as new spikes. Bottom will be put on this weekend and new mat will be in by mid week. Still trying to settle on a cartridge......thoughts anyone. I do want a high output MM, which will better match my second phono stage in my AI M3A.

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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2015, 07:17:22 AM »
Are the spikes clear / metal tipped ?

in pic 2 it looks like that and if so damn cool

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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2015, 09:29:29 PM »
The spikes are high polish chrome. Just put the base on today. Platter mat should be in by mid week and I may ad a drop counterweight. I might wait on the later until after I settle on a cartridge. The 7000 is a good temporary player but right now it is a limiting factor.


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« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2015, 10:17:29 AM »
Just bought a Sumiko Blue Point #2 and will give that a spin when it arrives later this week. BTW, the birch veneer bottom will be coming off and an acrylic will bottom will replace it.
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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2015, 10:08:09 PM »
I decided that I might as well run this table and cartridge through my Sutherland designed AcousTech Ph1 and man was I surprised! I didn't expect as much of a difference as the phono in the AI M3A but man was I wrong. The top end didn't change too much and was still a bit hashy, however, the lows and lower mid had some serious punch and drive and made this budget cartridge really boogie! I was thinking that I might need to change out the arm but now I found that the phono stage I was using was limiting this analog front end more than I would have thought.

Anyway, I am more excited than ever to get the Blue Point, new mat and acrylic bottom on and enjoy the end results. I've have got to go away for the weekend and won't get it finished until next week but i think it is going to be a very good Xmas.

After I am finished, I hope I can afford to keep this table for a while. At least for 6 months or so. Maybe I can get lucky and make that for 6 years and then give it to my son when he ages into a serious playback system.
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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2015, 11:23:31 PM »
Blue point 2 arrived and mounted. Imy listening to it now. So far so good.....although reports indicate that suspension requires 50 hour to break in. Waiting for mat, bottom and may I get a drop counter weight,  too.

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Re: Acoustic Research The Table
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2015, 11:22:59 PM »
Placed the acrylic bottom and poly pully on it and spinning a few albums. This thing sounds damn nice. I've compared it to my reference and at this point it is very impressive. I could live with this and hope to, as long as I don't end needing the cash. The may should be in soon and after it arrives I post the final shots. I hold out on the final review until 50 hours have be reached on the cartridge.

Any locals that want to give this thing a listen is more than welcomed to stop by.

 

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