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Re: Taming the wild bass drum
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2018, 03:29:24 PM »
I have the TDR Nova plugin with the Audacity, and that can apparently do dynamic EQ.  I haven't figured out how to do it, though (unless of course I've been doing dynamic EQ by accident all along...I've done dumber things so I'm not ruling that out).

Edit: Just found this video, which actually demonstrates EQing a bass drum with TDR Nova (about 14 minutes in), including dynamic EQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v25I9fXcUwY (I definitely haven't been doing dynamic EQ, I now see)
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Re: Taming the wild bass drum
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2018, 11:26:08 PM »
I messed with dynamic EQ a bit and am really impressed with what it can do.  Having taken a first stab at it, I'd really appreciate if anyone could take a listen and give me some feedback ("I'd love it if you came and gave me notes").  Here's a link to download one song, both the raw version and the version with the dynamic EQ: https://we.tl/2mnUrHlJPO (the only change I made to the raw version was to amplify so both files sound roughly equivalent in terms of loudness).
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Re: Taming the wild bass drum
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2018, 11:43:28 AM »
Sounds to me like it's achieving what you are looking for.  The in ear 'phones I'm using are not in anyway reliable for judging low frequency content or balance, with weak bass response and limited extension, yet still allow for relative judgement between the two and the kick resonance sounds better controlled and more balanced with the other instrumentation in your dynamically EQ'd version.

In the section from ~5:15-5:45 where there is discernible bass line movement around the kick hits, I can now clearly identify the bass line in the EQ'd version, whereas in the raw file it is more buried by the kick and the two sort of mush together, making the bass line less easily identifiable.
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Re: Taming the wild bass drum
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2018, 08:10:45 PM »
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Re: Taming the wild bass drum
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2018, 12:30:02 AM »
  One school of thought would be to just capture the show as it sounded and not mess with it.  Putting that aside for the sake of discussion, is there a way to de-emphasize that bass drum in post?
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I'd say clean it so that it can be listened to, warts-and-all, or don't bother messing with it. An audience recording is a record of what it sounded like at that place, at that time, to those mics. If your rig didn't distort on the bass, then you have a proper capture of the event. Make it sound as nice as you can, but in my opinion, don't sweat trying to change it too much. Sure, give a shot, but don't stress if you can't "make a silk purse of a sows ear!"  :hmmm:
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Re: Taming the wild bass drum
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2018, 09:42:39 AM »
Send me a clip. A well-tuned bell filter should do the trick, my ears will cost you less money than Pro Q 2 (which is a phenom plug-in but not cheap - used to use it myself but my ears got to the point where isolating filters was more work than doing the critical listening with lower-latency/more efficient plugins).
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