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Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« on: August 12, 2019, 02:05:33 PM »
I'm currently a bit scattered with how I'm backing up & posting my recordings. As-is, I'm saving everything to an external SSD (that's about to be full). It does what it's supposed to, but I definitely want some redundancy.

Beyond that, I post shows via the archive, sometimes on bt.etree, or via mega/mediafire links. I'd like to find something online that serves as both as a personal archive, and that gives me links to share. Not even sure if having something that would allow streaming is doable, but that would be nice too!

Obviously free/cheap is good, but dependability/ease of use are important.

Any suggestions are welcomed!

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2019, 02:17:52 PM »
I don't have online backup recommendations, but I just want to mention that SSDs are not good for archival. 
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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2019, 02:22:15 PM »
I don't have online backup recommendations, but I just want to mention that SSDs are not good for archival.

vs a standard backup drive? Why's that?



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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2019, 02:42:51 PM »
well that sucks. Figured I was doing the right thing after multiple failed HDD's in my past...

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2019, 02:51:42 PM »
For many years, I have backed up all of my important data to optical discs.  First CDs, then DVDs, and in recent years Blu-Rays.  As long as you get high-quality media and protect them from high heat, they will last years.  My 20-year-old CD-R backups still can be read just fine.

I find optical storage to be more reliable long-term than magnetic (HDD, SSD, flash media).  You already know to avoid HDDs because of mechanical failure.

These are the BD-R discs I use.
If you don't have a BD-R drive, I have had great experience with Pioneer units.

Note that this is not a substitute for an offline backup solution.  I have good experience using Backblaze for that kind of thing.
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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2019, 03:03:18 PM »
well that sucks. Figured I was doing the right thing after multiple failed HDD's in my past...

All HDDs will fail eventually.  It's just a matter of when.

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2019, 03:25:04 PM »
For many years, I have backed up all of my important data to optical discs.  First CDs, then DVDs, and in recent years Blu-Rays.  As long as you get high-quality media and protect them from high heat, they will last years.  My 20-year-old CD-R backups still can be read just fine.
I find optical storage to be more reliable long-term than magnetic (HDD, SSD, flash media).  You already know to avoid HDDs because of mechanical failure.
These are the BD-R discs I use.
If you don't have a BD-R drive, I have had great experience with Pioneer units.
Thanks for the tip, Volt! This spindle of 50 Blu-ray Discs for $32.48 is equivalent to $26/TB of storage. Consider that the typical 4TB drive does cost about $105 these days, and optical is a competitive solution which happens to be immune to potential EMP events (Electro-Magnetic Pulse, could be from a solar flare or some other source)
I use a Pioneer external USB writer and it was cheap 5 years ago.

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2019, 11:29:50 AM »
One thing to note about those Verbatim discs is that they are the "high-to-low" (HTL) type of BD-R, which have shown to be better for long-term storage than the cheaper LTH process.  The LTH supposedly have compatibility issues in some players as well.

https://www.cdrinfo.com/d7/content/bd-r-lth-discs-more-susceptible-degradation-report
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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2019, 11:42:43 AM »
One thing to note about those Verbatim discs is that they are the "high-to-low" (HTL) type of BD-R, which have shown to be better for long-term storage than the cheaper LTH process.  The LTH supposedly have compatibility issues in some players as well.

https://www.cdrinfo.com/d7/content/bd-r-lth-discs-more-susceptible-degradation-report

Good to know!  Thanks for the info!

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2019, 04:52:32 PM »
google drive is 15GB free for every gmail addy you have (i have several)
its also 2TB for $9.99 a month
flac tracks are streamable, but IIRC a folder of files doesnt autoplay you need to load each track

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2019, 07:04:34 PM »
This is a bit into the crypto nerd factor, but I use Keybase (which does many nerdy things), and the Keybase Filesystem includes 250 GB (not a typo) encrypted storage for free with every account.  You can keep things in your own private folders, share private folders with specific people, or post in public folders.  No streaming, but imagine something like Dropbox that gives you tons more storage and is super locked-down.

I have a VeraCrypt encrypted archive file of some important docs that is uploaded to a private folder there for offsite safekeeping.  That is in turn encrypted by KBFS.

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2019, 02:15:24 PM »
Posting late, but I've found a system that I'm happy with, so thought to share.
I use a combo of on-site external drives and off site backup.

I have music on 3 drives here at home, all with spinning disks. 1 backup is the same as no backup, therefor 3 drives. Every month I thest each drive to make sure there's no bit rot, and every 5 years or so I get a new set of drives. Currently, I use 3TB Toshibas, which cost around $80 each.

I didn't see much discussion about issues with location of backup in the thread. What happens if there's a fire/flood/smoke? I subscribe to Back Blaze for around $60/year, because I have photos and other things I treasure in digital form. One of my 3 drives stays mounted all the time, and is backed up to Back Blaze automagically.

Current cost is roughly $110/year, but I already was a Back Blaze user so not sure whether I should have included that in the total.

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Re: Backup / Online-hosting recommendations?
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2019, 04:26:35 PM »
From those articles it seems like if you just use the drives and dump them that there will be decay. Seems reasonable for anything. I use 10TB HDDs as backups. I clone both of them probably weekly/monthly to give them a good spin.

Whatever path you go, as long as you're diligent in keeping the backup current. You shouldn't have a problem.
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