Topic: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab

[F.O.Bean]

i have one more question tho, since all of this batch-processing stuff came to light, shouldnt i resample/dither the master wavs to 16-bit THEN load the 16-bit files into cdwave, cut into tracks, save cue sheet, THEN re-open the master 24/96 files and use the cue sheet on them that way  then i could rename everything accordingly

does that make sense

I don't follow.  Either way, you're tracking within one file (either 16- or 24-bit) and loading the cue sheet into the other.  I don't follow why it would matter whether you do 24-bit first, then 16-bit, or vice versa.

i gotcha now, it finally registered thanks alot brian, you da man

[Brian Skalinder]

i gotcha now, it finally registered thanks alot brian, you da man

Though I will add:  if you do the 16-bit tracking first (filenames d1txx, d2txx, etc.) and don't mind having your 24-bit files using those same names, then you'll save the renaming step [09].  I'm picky about my filenames - want my 24-bit one way, the 16-bit another...hence why I rename.

[F.O.Bean]

i gotcha now, it finally registered thanks alot brian, you da man

Though I will add:  if you do the 16-bit tracking first (filenames d1txx, d2txx, etc.) and don't mind having your 24-bit files using those same names, then you'll save the renaming step [09].  I'm picky about my filenames - want my 24-bit one way, the 16-bit another...hence why I rename.

i would liek them to be named differently as well, i have been naming them this way:

24-bit: moe2006-06-11_2496_t01
          moe2006-06-11_2496_t02

and 16-bit: moe2006-06-11.481.d1t01
                moe2006-06-11.481.d1t02

oh and FWIW, i rename everything in CKRename anyway so.... as long as i have a master cue sheet, that wont alter or affect anything right? say i have a 24-bit cuesheet for my 24-bit files, after the tracks are saved and my cue sheet is saved, i simply:

A. open the 16-bit file, and track out per set OR
B. open the 24-bit cue sheet and resave 

this is where im getting lost

[F.O.Bean]

actually, i think i got it brian, i just need a show to try it out on

[F.O.Bean]

ok so, when i try to load the first 2496 wav in wavelab and then edit>insert at end, when i try to save both files w/ 24-bit temp files, it chokes and gives me the 'file is larger than 2GB' error and stops saving both files as one long files

so my question is: if i switch to 16-bit temp files, are my files being downgraded when i save the 2496 files w/ 16-bit temp files or does that really matter

i think i can save both files as one if i use the 16-bit temp files thing, but i dont want my 2496 files downgraded at ALL, i want the 2496 quality i would love to use 24-bit or 32-bit temp files but......

i would think it woulnt matter if i used 16-bit temp files simply because no editing is really being done to the files but i want to make sure

damn i need to upgrade my 5.01b and shell out the $$ for wavelab 6.0 w/ the 4GB limit

thanks,
Bean

[F.O.Bean]

nope, it even choked on saving both 2496 files when i changed to 16-bit temp files

WTF how can i edit these shows unless i have wavelab 6.0

[dmonterisi]

Bean-

sorry if i wasn't clear.  you cannot save the 2 24/96 files as one big 24/96 files, but you should be able to resample/dither them into 1 file and then separately chop up the 24/96 files into individual files. 

with your temp file at 24bit, open up both 24/96 files in the active window (open the first, then insert audio file > at end).  with both in place, convert the sample rate to 44.1.  it shouldn't choke.  then dither, and choose "save to new file" option in the dither dialog.  that should save you one full set at 16/44 for the entire set together.  then just go back and undo the convert sample rate and you'll be back with your 24/96 files in the active window.  then start dropping markers where you want to do the 24/96 track breaks.  then use the tools>auto split function to save individual 24/96 tracks.

this should work.

[F.O.Bean]

Bean-

sorry if i wasn't clear.  you cannot save the 2 24/96 files as one big 24/96 files, but you should be able to resample/dither them into 1 file and then separately chop up the 24/96 files into individual files. 

with your temp file at 24bit, open up both 24/96 files in the active window (open the first, then insert audio file > at end).  with both in place, convert the sample rate to 44.1.  it shouldn't choke.  then dither, and choose "save to new file" option in the dither dialog.  that should save you one full set at 16/44 for the entire set together.  then just go back and undo the convert sample rate and you'll be back with your 24/96 files in the active window.  then start dropping markers where you want to do the 24/96 track breaks.  then use the tools>auto split function to save individual 24/96 tracks.

this should work.

thanks damon, HUGE +T

i am prolly gonna do the open>edit>insert at end w/ the 2496 files, then resample/dither those files, save the whole set/files at 16/44.1, track the 16/44 files and keep a cue sheet for the 16/44 files, and use them on the 2496 files wqould that work? actually it wont unless i have the whole 2496 files per set huh? i am new to the cue sheet thing, but after a few more 2496 shows, i should have it down

[dmonterisi]

don't think the cue sheet thing will work in wavelab...i don't think you can load cue sheets, but maybe i'm wroing and there's a way to import a cue sheet as wav markers, it would make things nice and easy.

[F.O.Bean]

Bean-

sorry if i wasn't clear.  you cannot save the 2 24/96 files as one big 24/96 files, but you should be able to resample/dither them into 1 file and then separately chop up the 24/96 files into individual files. 

with your temp file at 24bit, open up both 24/96 files in the active window (open the first, then insert audio file > at end).  with both in place, convert the sample rate to 44.1.  it shouldn't choke.  then dither, and choose "save to new file" option in the dither dialog.  that should save you one full set at 16/44 for the entire set together.  then just go back and undo the convert sample rate and you'll be back with your 24/96 files in the active window.  then start dropping markers where you want to do the 24/96 track breaks.  then use the tools>auto split function to save individual 24/96 tracks.

this should work.

couple questions damon, first: if i drop markers in wavelab wont there be SBE's actually, SBE's are only in 16/44 files huh?

secondly: if i drop markers in wavelab and then go to auto split function, if its an auto split, wont the split be where wavelab wants them every certain number of MB's does that make sense

couldnt i cut the 2496 files in cdwave FIRST, save the cue sheet, then resample/dither the WHOLE 2496 files that the 722 split to like you said to do w/ the open wav>edit>insert at end 16/44, open the 16/44 files in cdwave and use the cue sheet from the 2496 files that way id have my 2496 files split and tracked and saved/flac'd, i could save my 2 files per set and md5 my original 2496 files that the 722 split, theyd still be split exactly as they were from the 722 and then id have:

1. original wavs that the 722 split(burn them as data w/ an md5)
2. tracked/flac'd 2496 files
3. resampled/dither/flac'd 1644 files

thats w/ opening 2496 files in cdwave and splitting/saving cue sheet, that way my 2496 files are split and ready to flac, then open original 722 split files in wavelab, resample/dither to 16/44, use cue sheet from 2496 files i tracked in cdwave, save the 1644 files w/ the cue sheet from the 2496 ones, and that way like i said, id have the :

1. burn original 2496 wavs as data before i do an editing, id just rename them as moe2006-06-09_2496_1a, moe2006-06-09_2496_1b for thats et
2. track 2496 files in cdwave, only after i rejoin where the original cut was on the 722 in wavelab so that that track is now one file instead of being two where the 722 split them
3. resample/dither to 16/44 and use the cue sheet from the 2496 files and SAVE
4. FLAC the tracked 24/96 and 16/44 files

DONE

does that make sense or is that jibberish

eitehr way, thanks for your help damon/brian

i need to just shell the $$ out for wavelb 6.0 upgrade from 5.0 and id never have to worry about the stupid 2GB limit ever again

does samplitude have this limit i have samplitude 6.0 master FWIW

[F.O.Bean]

don't think the cue sheet thing will work in wavelab...i don't think you can load cue sheets, but maybe i'm wroing and there's a way to import a cue sheet as wav markers, it would make things nice and easy.

no, sorry i wasnt clear enuf, i would use the cue sheet in cdwave

[dmonterisi]

couple questions damon, first: if i drop markers in wavelab wont there be SBE's actually, SBE's are only in 16/44 files huh?

yeah, no sbe worries, they are only issues for 16/44 files.

secondly: if i drop markers in wavelab and then go to auto split function, if its an auto split, wont the split be where wavelab wants them every certain number of MB's does that make sense

no you go through in wavelab and drop markers first, and the use auto split and split on the markers.  in fact, you can use this as a way to split the 16/44 files in wavelab because there is a "cd audio" marker that you can drop where it will seek out 16/44 boundaries without sbe's.  i'm pretty sure (but not positive since i haven't tried it) that you can drop these kind of markers in a 24/96 file, split them as 24/96 files, then go back after its dithered/resampled and they'll still be there to split the files into individual 16/44 files.

couldnt i cut the 2496 files in cdwave FIRST, save the cue sheet, then resample/dither the WHOLE 2496 files that the 722 split to like you said to do w/ the open wav>edit>insert at end 16/44, open the 16/44 files in cdwave and use the cue sheet from the 2496 files that way id have my 2496 files split and tracked and saved/flac'd, i could save my 2 files per set and md5 my original 2496 files that the 722 split, theyd still be split exactly as they were from the 722 and then id have:

1. original wavs that the 722 split(burn them as data w/ an md5)
2. tracked/flac'd 2496 files
3. resampled/dither/flac'd 1644 files

thats w/ opening 2496 files in cdwave and splitting/saving cue sheet, that way my 2496 files are split and ready to flac, then open original 722 split files in wavelab, resample/dither to 16/44, use cue sheet from 2496 files i tracked in cdwave, save the 1644 files w/ the cue sheet from the 2496 ones, and that way like i said, id have the :

1. burn original 2496 wavs as data before i do an editing, id just rename them as moe2006-06-09_2496_1a, moe2006-06-09_2496_1b for thats et
2. track 2496 files in cdwave, only after i rejoin where the original cut was on the 722 in wavelab so that that track is now one file instead of being two where the 722 split them
3. resample/dither to 16/44 and use the cue sheet from the 2496 files and SAVE
4. FLAC the tracked 24/96 and 16/44 files

i think the problem with this is that since you can't open the 2 files back to back in cdwav, you won't be splitting all the 24/96 files, only the first 2 gig chunk.  then the last portion of the first 24/96 file wouldn't be split properly along with the second 24/96 file and the cue sheet would only be for a portion of the set.

DONE

does that make sense or is that jibberish

eitehr way, thanks for your help damon/brian

i need to just shell the $$ out for wavelb 6.0 upgrade from 5.0 and id never have to worry about the stupid 2GB limit ever again

does samplitude have this limit i have samplitude 6.0 master FWIW

once you get used to the workflow it's not that difficult...don't know how much wavelab 6 costs, but you could probably use that money for other things. 

[F.O.Bean]

couldnt i cut the 2496 files in cdwave FIRST, save the cue sheet, then resample/dither the WHOLE 2496 files that the 722 split to like you said to do w/ the open wav>edit>insert at end 16/44, open the 16/44 files in cdwave and use the cue sheet from the 2496 files that way id have my 2496 files split and tracked and saved/flac'd, i could save my 2 files per set and md5 my original 2496 files that the 722 split, theyd still be split exactly as they were from the 722 and then id have:

1. original wavs that the 722 split(burn them as data w/ an md5)
2. tracked/flac'd 2496 files
3. resampled/dither/flac'd 1644 files

thats w/ opening 2496 files in cdwave and splitting/saving cue sheet, that way my 2496 files are split and ready to flac, then open original 722 split files in wavelab, resample/dither to 16/44, use cue sheet from 2496 files i tracked in cdwave, save the 1644 files w/ the cue sheet from the 2496 ones, and that way like i said, id have the :

1. burn original 2496 wavs as data before i do an editing, id just rename them as moe2006-06-09_2496_1a, moe2006-06-09_2496_1b for thats et
2. track 2496 files in cdwave, only after i rejoin where the original cut was on the 722 in wavelab so that that track is now one file instead of being two where the 722 split them
3. resample/dither to 16/44 and use the cue sheet from the 2496 files and SAVE
4. FLAC the tracked 24/96 and 16/44 files

i think the problem with this is that since you can't open the 2 files back to back in cdwav, you won't be splitting all the 24/96 files, only the first 2 gig chunk.  then the last portion of the first 24/96 file wouldn't be split properly along with the second 24/96 file and the cue sheet would only be for a portion of the set.

well, id split the first 2496 wav in cdwave, then split the second 2496 2GB chunk in cdwave, rejoin the one track thats split into two files w/ the edit>insert at end in wavelab, resave the two tracks into one, then the 2496 set/tracks would be joined 100% seamlessly, right? that way my cue sheet would/should match up w/ my 1644 files, correct? id have my 2496 files saved/tracked/flac'd, then id just open origianl 722 cut wavs in wavelab and resample/dither/resave and use the cue sheet on the 16/441 files my cue sheets wouldnt line up if i did it this way because id have to open ALL of my tracked 2496 files once rejoined in wavelab and save the FINAL tracked 2496 files in cdwave and save that cue sheet, huh? damn this is getting confusing i gues sthe only way to figure this out is to try it can you open multiple files in cdwave and make a cue sheet? like once i tracked in cdwave, rejoined the one track thats two files in wavelab, save as a single file, then id have to reopn that in cdwave and resave for the cue sheet huh? anyway, now im just ramblng nonsense, im gonna play around w/ my 6/9 moe show and see what works for me tomorrow

am i making any sense? this is all so new to me....... i dont really wanna drop markers in wavelab but i will if its easier, i just wanna find a way to utilize cue sheets for a quicker/easier tracking setup and that way the markers/tracks would be EXACTLY the same in the 2496 AND the 1644 tracks

but really, i dont care if i have to track the 2496 and the 1644 files seperately w/ out a cue sheet, it would be nice tho and theyre not EXACTLY tracked the same, as long as the batch processing isnt done and the wavs arent altered like they are when batch processing, im a happoy 24-bit taper

FWIW tho, the two shows i did batch processing on, i heard no audible/weird clicks or pops inbetween track breaks but im a purist and wanna do thinsg correctly the first time

Bean

[RebelRebel]

if you drop "cd markers" the "quantitize to cd frame" option HAS to be checked to not get SBEs.