Topic: Tracking Question?

[morningdew]

How do you guys usually track it when you can hear one of the musicians yelling out the beat count before the beginning of the song? And why?

Usually, I start the track so you can hear the "1, 2, 3,..." but lately I have been cutting that out and tracking it so the track starts just before the first chord, drum beat etc.

[Nick Graham]

I include the count off (whether it be verbal or drums) 9 times out of 10.

[heath]

I include the count off (whether it be verbal or drums) 9 times out of 10.

[anodyne33]

If I can get a clean cut w/o the count off I'll do that a lot of the time.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

Another tracking question:

I'm tracking a couple of Phil shows and there are three distinct points in the extended introduction:

1) jamming without any indication of the coming song
2) it's obvious to me that they are going into a certain song
3) the expected song starts

do you guys track at point 2 or point 3?

[Patrick]

Another tracking question:

I'm tracking a couple of Phil shows and there are three distinct points in the extended introduction:

1) jamming without any indication of the coming song
2) it's obvious to me that they are going into a certain song
3) the expected song starts

do you guys track at point 2 or point 3?

Phil and friends shows are tough to track, but I usually track at point 3.  There are so few actual songs played so the files are huge, making it tough to put on cd.

[jlykos]

For Phil shows, it is usually best to use your judgement.  I will track most of the time when the song actually starts, but if it is a lead-in jam with strong elements of the song, I may decide to track when it becomes obvious that they will go into that song.  Phil is a tough one though.

[anodyne33]

What I do with moe. is wait until they're definitely on the riff of the coming song and then split. For me it's normally when 2 of the guys (guitar/bass bass/drums) are locked on the new groove and everybody else is comping or teasing their part.

[Nick Graham]

Another tracking question:

I'm tracking a couple of Phil shows and there are three distinct points in the extended introduction:

1) jamming without any indication of the coming song
2) it's obvious to me that they are going into a certain song
3) the expected song starts

do you guys track at point 2 or point 3?

I'd go with #2

The text file setlist would look something like this:

01 Jam>
02 Top Of The World jam>Sittin' On Top Of The World

[Patrick]

What I do with moe. is wait until they're definitely on the riff of the coming song and then split. For me it's normally when 2 of the guys (guitar/bass bass/drums) are locked on the new groove and everybody else is comping or teasing their part.

Not saying that it's wrong, but sometimes getting to the actual song after this point that can take several minutes.

If I'm not familiar with the band, I'll also use the crowd's reaction.  Even if you have no idea what's going on, you can tell by the sudden roar of a crowd that the band has switched songs.

[barren4]

2, because imo that is where they are starting the song on this occasion.

Having said that, I always listen to whole shows not individual songs, no shuffle, no repeat.  If I listened to random songs it may sound better cut just as the whole band falls into their parts.

[F.O.Bean]

What I do with moe. is wait until they're definitely on the riff of the coming song and then split. For me it's normally when 2 of the guys (guitar/bass bass/drums) are locked on the new groove and everybody else is comping or teasing their part.

this is what i do as well

[Phil]

I try to stay away from tracking out short jam's, say <1 or 2 minutes.  I'd just assume them into the previous or current song. 

I also think to myself "how would this sound if the track came up while my disc player was on random?"

[spyder9]

What I do with moe. is wait until they're definitely on the riff of the coming song and then split. For me it's normally when 2 of the guys (guitar/bass bass/drums) are locked on the new groove and everybody else is comping or teasing their part.

this is what i do as well

Me too on the above.

When a band jams into a song, I track 2 seconds before the signature riff or drum roll.

When a band starts cold, I track 3 seconds before the start of the song, regardless of the "1,2,3", though it usually fits in that 3 seconds.

I don't break out small Jams, unless their significant, like more than 4 minutes, or at the start of sets.