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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Bri on May 24, 2005, 11:16:13 PM
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Hey now,
Been spun away from doing any taping for the last few months due to a tremendous amount of work that has finally started to subside! I really need to get rid of the P1, it's about to celebrate it's 8th birthday, and I think it's time for her to retire. I really want to go with one of those fancy HD recorders and lose my V3, but I have been hearing that the pre-amp stages are really not up to snuff. I have seen some lineages tho with Skeps>722, but havent heard the tapes. Any advice for the guy who has been out of the loop?
Thanks!
Bri
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keep the v3 & record onto the MAudio CF recorder!
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keep the v3 & record onto the MAudio CF recorder!
that's what I'm waiting to do ;D
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Im running 4022>722 and love it. All 5 shows with this thing are great sounding and I have not seen any issues with it at all. Although Im thinking of a new pair of MICs its not due to the 722. I just want to run some U89s for a while ;D have fun listening and deciding what you want, thats the fun part of this game at least for me it is..
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keep the v3 & record onto the MAudio CF recorder!
that's the plan here
It's still too early in the game for me to give a definitive opinion on the sound of the SD boxes but from what I have heard so far they are definitely colored in a way that I don't think they are complimentary to the schoeps... they seem like great boxes overall but sonically I think the coloration of the sd box combined with the coloration of the schoeps is a bit much... ymmv
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sell the v3 and p1, buy a v2 and 722....stylin'...the 722 sounds nice, but from what i've heard i like the sound of the grace pre. this way you can run the v2 in open taping situations and run mic-in to the 722 when low profile is your goal.
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sell the v3 and p1, buy a v2 and 722....stylin'...the 722 sounds nice, but from what i've heard i like the sound of the grace pre. this way you can run the v2 in open taping situations and run mic-in to the 722 when low profile is your goal.
best advice right here ;D
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sell the v3 and p1, buy a v2 and 722....stylin'...the 722 sounds nice, but from what i've heard i like the sound of the grace pre. this way you can run the v2 in open taping situations and run mic-in to the 722 when low profile is your goal.
When v2's are fetching almost as much as a v3, I don't see the point in dumping the v3.
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sell the v3 and p1, buy a v2 and 722....stylin'...the 722 sounds nice, but from what i've heard i like the sound of the grace pre. this way you can run the v2 in open taping situations and run mic-in to the 722 when low profile is your goal.
When v2's are fetching almost as much as a v3, I don't see the point in dumping the v3.
really? i don't follow used gear prices, the last i saw a v2 was going for like 600, has the v3 fallen that far?
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When v2's are fetching almost as much as a v3, I don't see the point in dumping the v3.
Huh? Used prices for V2s run ~$600, V3s ~$1200. Half = almost as much?
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Im running 4022>722 and love it. All 5 shows with this thing are great sounding and I have not seen any issues with it at all. Although Im thinking of a new pair of MICs its not due to the 722. I just want to run some U89s for a while ;D have fun listening and deciding what you want, thats the fun part of this game at least for me it is..
Do you dump then format the HD after every use, which bit rate are you using? Which firmware are you running? I'd love to pick one up, but the other threads make the 722 sound like anything but stable. If you've found the way to keep one going without "disk full" or drive fragmented errors, I'd like to know how, it looks like an awsome unit to run.
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from the tapes I've heard, the a/d is nice and smooth, can't speak to the preamp. I think asking the thing to be a one-box is a little too much.
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When v2's are fetching almost as much as a v3, I don't see the point in dumping the v3.
Huh? Used prices for V2s run ~$600, V3s ~$1200. Half = almost as much?
I thought v2's were going for about $700-$750 and v3's for $900-$1000, maybe slightly more with an opti mod.
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Im running 4022>722 and love it. All 5 shows with this thing are great sounding and I have not seen any issues with it at all. Although Im thinking of a new pair of MICs its not due to the 722. I just want to run some U89s for a while ;D have fun listening and deciding what you want, thats the fun part of this game at least for me it is..
Do you dump then format the HD after every use, which bit rate are you using? Which firmware are you running? I'd love to pick one up, but the other threads make the 722 sound like anything but stable. If you've found the way to keep one going without "disk full" or drive fragmented errors, I'd like to know how, it looks like an awsome unit to run.
my experience is that the 722 is absolutely stable with the current FW release....1.37...I have not had any problems, nor have I heard of any since that release came out...
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When v2's are fetching almost as much as a v3, I don't see the point in dumping the v3.
Huh? Used prices for V2s run ~$600, V3s ~$1200. Half = almost as much?
I thought v2's were going for about $700-$750 and v3's for $900-$1000, maybe slightly more with an opti mod.
V2's go for 600-650. I haven't seen a non-opti-mod V3 go for less than 1100. I think MAYBE someone let one go for 1050, but that's it. then again, i could be wrong.
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Im running 4022>722 and love it. All 5 shows with this thing are great sounding and I have not seen any issues with it at all. Although Im thinking of a new pair of MICs its not due to the 722. I just want to run some U89s for a while ;D have fun listening and deciding what you want, thats the fun part of this game at least for me it is..
Do you dump then format the HD after every use, which bit rate are you using? Which firmware are you running? I'd love to pick one up, but the other threads make the 722 sound like anything but stable. If you've found the way to keep one going without "disk full" or drive fragmented errors, I'd like to know how, it looks like an awsome unit to run.
my experience is that the 722 is absolutely stable with the current FW release....1.37...I have not had any problems, nor have I heard of any since that release came out...
I like the sound of that, once they have the firmware all straight, this thing should be unstoppable...
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Im running 4022>722 and love it. All 5 shows with this thing are great sounding and I have not seen any issues with it at all. Although Im thinking of a new pair of MICs its not due to the 722. I just want to run some U89s for a while ;D have fun listening and deciding what you want, thats the fun part of this game at least for me it is..
Do you dump then format the HD after every use, which bit rate are you using? Which firmware are you running? I'd love to pick one up, but the other threads make the 722 sound like anything but stable. If you've found the way to keep one going without "disk full" or drive fragmented errors, I'd like to know how, it looks like an awsome unit to run.
my experience is that the 722 is absolutely stable with the current FW release....1.37...I have not had any problems, nor have I heard of any since that release came out...
I like the sound of that, once they have the firmware all straight, this thing should be unstoppable...
The current firmware is straight enough, imo. Buy one now, upgrade firmware later.
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When v2's are fetching almost as much as a v3, I don't see the point in dumping the v3.
Huh? Used prices for V2s run ~$600, V3s ~$1200. Half = almost as much?
I thought v2's were going for about $700-$750 and v3's for $900-$1000, maybe slightly more with an opti mod.
V2's go for 600-650. I haven't seen a non-opti-mod V3 go for less than 1100. I think MAYBE someone let one go for 1050, but that's it. then again, i could be wrong.
Damn, maybe I have to pick up a V2, I haven't seen many up for sale lately.
If you can afford to drop +/- $2300 on a 722 is there a point in dumping the V3 and losing the nice meters and a/d? If you were to have a problem with the 722, I'd much rather have a V3 as opposed to the V2 as a backup, 16/48 w/ANSR sounds pretty damn good. Losing the a/d and meters, selling a unit you've taken care of and picking up a used V2 for $450-$550 max doesn't sound all that appealing.
On a side note, who knows Bri, IF you were to pick up the 722, you might like the pre-a/d of the unit to run it as an all-in-one. I'd at least hold off on selling the V3 until you've ran the 722, there might not even be a point in swapping V2 for V3 and you can just plain dump the V3.
edit: horrible grammar
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the metering problems on the 722 are overblown imo...sure it would be nice to get some more resolution at the higher end of the spectrum, but after a show or two you get the hand of the meters, and at that point they are definitely in line with most other pro gear.
As for keeping the V3, I can buy the argument that you keep it for the preamp...I am guessing that the grace pre probably sounds better in some lineages than the 722 preamp does....though I dont think the difference would be significant enough for me personally to carry another box, interconnects and a 6 Volt...but I know some will be willing. Definitely a personal preference....
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keep the v3 & record onto the MAudio CF recorder!
that's the plan here
me too, or possibly the new sonosax mini when and if it comes out.
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the metering problems on the 722 are overblown imo...sure it would be nice to get some more resolution at the higher end of the spectrum, but after a show or two you get the hand of the meters, and at that point they are definitely in line with most other pro gear.
As for keeping the V3, I can buy the argument that you keep it for the preamp...I am guessing that the grace pre probably sounds better in some lineages than the 722 preamp does....though I dont think the difference would be significant enough for me personally to carry another box, interconnects and a 6 Volt...but I know some will be willing. Definitely a personal preference....
1 box is nice for sure, but a v2 and a 6 volt is really not that much more to carry. if we were talking 12 volts, i'd be more inclined to agree. plus, like i was saying he has the low profile option to run mic-in. like i was saying to you at michael's house nick, i'll be curious what you think of the 722 front end after you've run it for a few months and then ran an outboard pre. like i said, it's not a bad sounding box at all, a matter of preference.
as for the metering issues, the 722 meters are not bad, they take some getting used to, and i wish there was more resolution in the top end as nick says. definitely not a reason to stay away from the box at all. plus, the v2's meters are the same as the v3 resolution wise, so there's nothing lost there. and you can calibrate the 722 to the v2 so that you're running gain solely on the v2.
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Hey now,
Been spun away from doing any taping for the last few months due to a tremendous amount of work that has finally started to subside! I really need to get rid of the P1, it's about to celebrate it's 8th birthday, and I think it's time for her to retire. I really want to go with one of those fancy HD recorders and lose my V3, but I have been hearing that the pre-amp stages are really not up to snuff. I have seen some lineages tho with Skeps>722, but havent heard the tapes. Any advice for the guy who has been out of the loop?
Thanks!
Bri
Check out the Edirol R4 too, 4 channels for $1400. :-X
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like i was saying to you at michael's house nick, i'll be curious what you think of the 722 front end after you've run it for a few months and then ran an outboard pre. like i said, it's not a bad sounding box at all, a matter of preference.
agreed, I definitely reserve the right to change my mind...:P I have run it probably 8 times and have liked what I heard so far...definitely need to give it some more runs before I can really form a solid opinion....I always thought that the MGs sang with the MP2->Mod SBM1 combo and I think this box has some of those same characteristics...time will tell though
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keep the v3 & record onto the MAudio CF recorder!
that's the plan here
It's still too early in the game for me to give a definitive opinion on the sound of the SD boxes but from what I have heard so far they are definitely colored in a way that I don't think they are complimentary to the schoeps... they seem like great boxes overall but sonically I think the coloration of the sd box combined with the coloration of the schoeps is a bit much... ymmv
this coming from a guy who ran u89>mme and you're saying too much color? I'm in a very luck position to have partnered with a couple of guys and can pick and choose what gear to run on any given night. Bad soundingroom? Lots of color to warm up the room nasties. Great sounding room/onstage/outdoors? Crisp detail in all its glory. I like the warmth the SD gives, but I can see some not liking it when they are used to all the detail, for better or worse.
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keep the v3 & record onto the MAudio CF recorder!
that's the plan here
It's still too early in the game for me to give a definitive opinion on the sound of the SD boxes but from what I have heard so far they are definitely colored in a way that I don't think they are complimentary to the schoeps... they seem like great boxes overall but sonically I think the coloration of the sd box combined with the coloration of the schoeps is a bit much... ymmv
this coming from a guy who ran u89>mme and you're saying too much color?
we've all made mistakes :P
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this coming from a guy who ran u89>mme...
Don't forget about the brick ;)
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nick,
i'm curious as to what you think of the sound on your 4/30 black crowes recording(the one with descending)? i run mg's and was on the 722 list at one time but i pulled back. i grabbed that show you did and just got a decent chance to listen this past week while on vacation. is this one of the better examples of what the mg/sd combo will do in your opinion? i honestly haven't had the time to track down any other shows to compare so pardon my laziness...
yes I think that show is a great example of what that box is capable of. Another good one from a club environment is big head todd which is up on the archive...3/1/05. I will let you be the judge as to the sound, but bottom line...I like it...alot
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thanks everbody! Got some generous offers to demo some units... I think thats prolly the best first step! Thanks a bunch!
Bri
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thanks everbody! Got some generous offers to demo some units... I think thats prolly the best first step! Thanks a bunch!
Bri
sweet! getting demo units rock! 8) and it's pleasure to help answer any questions our fearless leader has :)
best of luck in your decision making
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thanks everbody! Got some generous offers to demo some units... I think thats prolly the best first step! Thanks a bunch!
I'd loan you my DEVA, but somehow I think once you used it, you would never want to give it back. ;D
Wayne
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anyone know anywher with a 744 in stock? or WHAT! :) Guess it's time to get in line...
Cheers!
Bri
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check Gothm Audio I think, otherwise any SD dealer can get them
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anyone know anywher with a 744 in stock? or WHAT! :) Guess it's time to get in line...
Cheers!
Bri
there's one on ebay as so nicely pointed out by dgodwin.