Topic: soundboard recordings

[Scuba Jeremy]

I have heard they can locate an ALD receiver anywhere in the house in use.  Dont know about most, but I would not want to draw any more attention to myself if I am taping a show I should not be...

that's how I was got in toruble... they walked right up to me

Out of curiosity, did you have to give your seat location when you got the box? Or did you bring your own? Taping allowed at all? I would imagine you were careful when you were stealthing with the ALD, but if you check your levels and just one security guy is watching, that'll ruin your night.

I still doubt that venue security has the ability to triangulate your position through all the other RF noise in the middle of a rock concert, especially in the cellular age.

[jpschust]

Jeremy,

I dont know that id discount the ability to figure out the position- the ald's run on a very narrow range of fq's seperate from that of cell phones and whatnot

[Scuba Jeremy]

Right, and about 700Mhz apart, but you would have to be sniffing for the actual frequency of interference given off by the device itself, which could only be picked up from -maybe- five feet away. It's not transmitting anything, it's only radiating. Still seems like something they wouldn't be so concerned about to the point that they'd invest several hundred dollars into a frequency sniffer. Venue side, anyway. Who knows what kind of gear the bands might be packing, depending on how big a "problem" wireless tapes are to that band.

[chuckcage]

This reminds me of "back in the day" when they first started scrambling analog cable (before the digital encryption days).  You could go down and buy an old box at the flea market, crack it open, and adjust the little pots to get the signal.  It was a PITA 'cause you had to do it just about every time you used it, but lots of people did it.

This was, say, circa 1990.  I was in Orlando at the time, and I remember the cable company put together a couple of vans with equipment to detect the receivers in operation (like was said eariler -- same principle as detecting radar detectors).  They'd drive around and bust people pretty effectively.

I guess the trick was that even though they only busted a few people, it had a chilling effect.

Chuck

[Scuba Jeremy]

Were they detecting the box, or the big black cable running into the foundation of your home?

[chuckcage]

Were they detecting the box, or the big black cable running into the foundation of your home?

It was about the scrambling, not the physical connection.  For example, you might have had a basic cable subscription so HBO came in scrambled.  The box unscrambled it for you.

They weren't detecting the existance of the box, either, but rather the fact that its tuner was operating on a partcular frequency.  They'd then compare that to your subscription records.

Chuck

[Tim]

I have heard they can locate an ALD receiver anywhere in the house in use.  Dont know about most, but I would not want to draw any more attention to myself if I am taping a show I should not be...

that's how I was got in toruble... they walked right up to me

Out of curiosity, did you have to give your seat location when you got the box? Or did you bring your own? Taping allowed at all? I would imagine you were careful when you were stealthing with the ALD, but if you check your levels and just one security guy is watching, that'll ruin your night.

I still doubt that venue security has the ability to triangulate your position through all the other RF noise in the middle of a rock concert, especially in the cellular age.

It was a widespread panic show, for some reason we had it in the taperssection (dumb!) and down in a bag with a d8, zipped up and everything. They literally walked right up to me and asked for it. So it was open taping and they didn'y know where I was sitting yet they walked right up to me... sounds like they knew where it was.

[Tim]

oh and I should add that I turned the ald on and started recording but the feed was shutoff a few minutes into set I and I was escorted backstage at setbreak.

Still don't think they know where they are?

[Tim]

Here's why Phish doesn't allow SBD's anymore and why you shouldn't be fucking around behind a SBD if you don't know what you're doing....

http://www.phish.net/faq/highquality.html#sbds

"Soundboards began to be disallowed in the summer of 1990, after some careless/greedy taper unplugged crucial equipment (most of the PA) during "Horn" at 6/16/90 Townsend. More problems came in Spring 1991, as the number and frequency of requests to patch in had very much expanded, and the size of venues and crowds also picked up, as did the amount of equipment. There have been selective (and sometimes inadvertent) release of soundboards since, as well as excellent audience tapes. The last official release was 5/7/94 Bomb Factory (though that was sbd>cas>dat, not direct digital. BTW, the first digital soundboard tape was 4/22/90; others are sbd>cass>dat.) Some disreputable tapers managed to Patch into Paul's DAT when he wasn't looking (e.g. 11-13-94 II, 12/8/94),"