Topic: DAT or JB3? Whats your 2 cents?

[nickgregory]

the thing that scares me the most for CDR archival is how long are these things going to last...I have had some go bad in a year, and some that are 5+ years old that still work great...

on the flip side, I have had no DAT tapes fail that have been sitting on my shelf.

[chuckcage]

Hey -- get the best of both worlds:  Back up your SHNs to a DAT drive!  

Just kidding.  

Chuck

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

so I went to get the shn out of storage and burn a new disc but it wouldn't convert the file,all the other discs will work but not this one.

That's what MD5s are for...  You should have checked the integrity of your SHN discs before you deleted them off your HD.  

Terry not trying to knock you either but a lot of things come into the equation past the md5 check..

It could have very well be fine when he put it away but a few months or a year down the line something could've happened to the actual archival medium causing the data on it to be corrupted (poor storage, bad environment, poor handling, volitile marker ate through disk, etc.)....

Those same kind of problems occur with DAT...  SHN and the MD5 system, I feel, is a better archival system than straight DAT tapes.

I was trying to point out that SHN discs can be made so that you can check the discs for errors before archiving.

Terry

[zhianosatch]

No, you check the files for errors, not the discs.

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

No, you check the files for errors, not the discs.

Mincing words:

By burning the MD5 along with its files onto the CDR, then dropping that MD5 (the one on the disc you just burned) will check the integrity of the files you just burned onto the disc.

Thus both answers are somewhat correct:  The MD5 can/will check the files on the disc.

Terry

[ianstone]

I would be interested to hear of anyone using the JB3 in a 'stealth' situation.
I currently have a d8, that basically sits around. I considered selling it and getting a JB3, but i don't know that i'd trust it for setting levels, a/d conversion, etc...
I'm sure it's great when it's behind a nice a/d like the 1000, ad2k+, or  the ua-5.  But what about using the line in stage?

How would these compare (my stealth rig)
mbho ka200n/603a>mp2>d8 (via mini>mini)
mbhos>mp2>jb3 (via mini>mini)

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Now that i'm a laptop taper, i rarely use the d8 - and the only real reason that I hold onto it is for the occasional stealth op - i stealth maybe 1-3 shows per year...

ian

[Sterling]

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I just got a D100...

[chuckcage]

Congrats.  From what I hear it's a quality piece of equipment and should serve you well!

Chuck

[teamakg]

I get about 3.5 hrs from one battery.  You can extend the life by keeping the monitor volume all the way down.

That sucks juice even when not monitoring?  Didn't know that! +T for the great tip.

As for it's "quality" your definately right zhianosatch, luckily I baby my shit.. anything I paid like good money for I tend to treat really well.  So so far it's worked out well.. However, accidents happen and it definately couldn't do the 2ft drop like a D8..!

you can also get some more battery life by:
1.  turning off the infrared remote thing
2.  turning the backlite screen to go out quicker.

[zhianosatch]

Attababy, congrats.

[joemango]

Have fun buying tapes!

[Rick]

Sorry if this a little off topic.... but I've been thinking about getting a JB3 for open taping situations and running it behind my SBM-1.... any one know which sony 7-pin > optical cable I might need? Is there even one with a mini out or do I need adaptor?

[Brian Skalinder]

The model # for the Sony 7-pin > optical cable is in the Archival Info section.  Dunno about the toslink v. mini optical connector question, though.

[caymanreview]

that is a good ? about the mini connecter for a 7 pin optical cable. i would think that they are just toslink. the adapters are easily attainable to go toslink > mini. but would a shitty adapter affect the signal in a situation like this?

[Savage Messiah]

If Creative can get its Nomad series down to the size of the iRiver iHP series, it will have me sold (we're talking about slightly larger than the size of a cell phone or slightly less than the size of an M1)!
 
Nearly 100% of all the show's I've taped have been stealth, and I personally think there's no real point to taping BTAT shows with anything less than

Mics over $1000 on stand > 48V phantom power > A/D running off DC power supply > DA-P1 or JB3

So for now, I'm doing like some of you here and sticking with:

AT933 > AD-20 > POC-DA12P > D100

As for lack of an external A/D-preamp, I think people get tired after a while going line-in 5 feet form the stacks at a loud show - I certainly did. Having cards and an external preamp helps that out quite a bit.

The technology does exist to bring the size down on the HDD recorders. And I figure someone will do it well before my D100 craps out permanently.. haha