Author Topic: Oktava Mics At Coventry..?? (Read 7983 times)

Cactus · « **on:** July 06, 2004, 08:58:53 AM »

..hey now , these are in my current rig and was wondering if these things would be a complete waste of time at coventry ?/ havnt heard many of these mics from the section and dont know how the fair at a distance.. omni's were a thought but im sure patching will be an option.. just curious

Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2004, 11:14:06 AM »

Quote from: piper2614 on July 06, 2004, 08:58:53 AM

..hey now , these are in my current rig and was wondering if these things would be a complete waste of time at coventry ?/ havnt heard many of these mics from the section and dont know how the fair at a distance.. omni's were a thought but im sure patching will be an option.. just curious

Good question. I'm getting the omni caps for taping outsite. I figure I'll give it a shot. Either way I probably won't seed my source. I just want to tape because it's my last time that I can tape Phish.

MIKE B

Mojowill · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2004, 11:19:01 AM »

I have a friend who runs these outside and from distance(he's got all 3 caps) and he gets great tapes. His pattern du jour is split omnis right now too. Run em!

Nick Graham · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2004, 11:34:04 AM »

Quote from: Fatah Ruark on July 06, 2004, 11:14:06 AM

Either way I probably won't seed my source.

Be proud of the rig you run...who knows, your source might be the best to circulate. You never know. The Schoeps tree might collapse, the Neumann taper might have his batteries die, and the DPA guy might have a tape misload....hell, you might be the only taper to get a complete show. Don't underestimate what Oktavas or any mics are capable of...

silentmark · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2004, 11:38:11 AM »

Quote from: Mojowill on July 06, 2004, 11:19:01 AM

I have a friend who runs these outside and from distance(he's got all 3 caps) and he gets great tapes. His pattern du jour is split omnis right now too. Run em!

Agreed, the omnis are quite good imo, don't knock the oktavas with ____________ envy ...

blu666z · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2004, 01:46:33 PM »

Quote from: Nick Graham on July 06, 2004, 11:34:04 AM

Be proud of the rig you run...who knows, your source might be the best to circulate. You never know. The Schoeps tree might collapse, the Neumann taper might have his batteries die, and the DPA guy might have a tape misload....hell, you might be the only taper to get a complete show. Don't underestimate what Oktavas or any mics are capable of...

+Thumbs up. Who cares what your rig is? This is just a hobby right. Have fun and throw you mics up. Not gonna know how they fair until you try right?

-Kevin

JasonGreen · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2004, 02:46:20 PM »

out of curiosity, why would anyone want to run omnis? I thought those were only good for quiet audiences and small rooms.

Nick Graham · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2004, 02:55:14 PM »

Omnis outdoors are the bomb (or whatever the kids are saying these days)!

Brian · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2004, 03:01:29 PM »

Quote from: Nick Graham on July 06, 2004, 02:55:14 PM

Omnis outdoors are the bomb (or whatever the kids are saying these days)!

"the shizzle bizzle" i think is the correct terminology these days. "da bomb" is so 2 years ago

regarding the subject: a lot of people have specualted that at a festi-type situation and being that far back that hypers are the only option really. while i understand the theory behind the idea i say hogwash. split those omnis and run em high! omnis just sound so natural! i'll do this and run hypers the other night. will be interesting to see which tape will be bettter

Jason R · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2004, 03:03:24 PM »

Quote from: Mojowill on July 06, 2004, 11:19:01 AM

I have a friend who runs these outside and from distance(he's got all 3 caps) and he gets great tapes. His pattern du jour is split omnis right now too. Run em!

Thats me....run those freakin mics! Just cause they are cheap mics don't mean they suck. The Omnis are freakin great. Outdoors from the section with maybe a 4 or 5 ft. spread do wonders. Omnis up close in quiet clubs make very impressive tapes too.

JasonGreen · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:17:41 PM »

anyone tried the MS Technique? I'm thinking of trying that out at DMB Gorge.

Cactus · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:32:58 PM »

..hey now , thanks for the positive feedback , good to see lots of opinions out there.. hopefully i get the omni's before smilefest.. should be a good starting point .. . peace and goodvibes

see you in the section
michael

as far at small mics with omni caps go .. should i spread em or xy or ..?? i know it can very .. ive had a ton of luck with xy and oktava mics but only run hyper and card..

blu666z · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:37:28 PM »

Quote from: JasonGreen on July 06, 2004, 05:17:41 PM

anyone tried the MS Technique? I'm thinking of trying that out at DMB Gorge.

What mics are you planning on using for that?

-Kevin

Tim · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2004, 05:38:54 PM »

split omni's from the section would be my choice for sure...

John Kelly · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2004, 06:16:58 PM »

Octavas? Don't bother.

kidding, of course

JasonGreen · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:07:35 PM »

Quote from: blu666z on July 06, 2004, 05:37:28 PM

Quote from: JasonGreen on July 06, 2004, 05:17:41 PM
anyone tried the MS Technique? I'm thinking of trying that out at DMB Gorge.

What mics are you planning on using for that?

-Kevin

C4s

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:11:28 PM »

M/S is typically a card for Mid, and a figure-of-8 for Side. Does Studio Projects make a figure-of-8 capsule for the C4s?

JasonGreen · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2004, 07:21:15 PM »

yeah, for some reason I was thinking it was omni, but it's fig. 8. Oops.

Simp-Dawg · « **Reply #18 on:** July 06, 2004, 09:22:00 PM »

definitely run the oktavas. i'll be running mine. gonna do some split omni work myself, i was happy with the results at 10klf this weekend.

creekfreak · « **Reply #19 on:** July 06, 2004, 10:57:05 PM »

The more I use omni's, the more I like them. I have run them split and about 8 inches apart, either way great tapes....natrual, deep smooth bass, sounds just like you are there.

jkoch · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2004, 01:01:12 AM »

omnis or hypers. the oktava cards suck from distance.

Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:31:56 PM »

Quote from: Nick Graham on July 06, 2004, 11:34:04 AM

Quote from: Fatah Ruark on July 06, 2004, 11:14:06 AM
Either way I probably won't seed my source.

Be proud of the rig you run...who knows, your source might be the best to circulate. You never know. The Schoeps tree might collapse, the Neumann taper might have his batteries die, and the DPA guy might have a tape misload....hell, you might be the only taper to get a complete show. Don't underestimate what Oktavas or any mics are capable of...

Well, what I meant by that is that I'm going to let the big boys seed thier sources. If mine sounds nearly as good, the same, or better, I'll seed it.

So, it looks like I'll run the onmi's split. Now exactly how far do I split them.

Cactus · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:37:43 PM »

..YEA THAT WAS MY QUESTION AS WELL.. IVE HEARD OF PEOPLE USING 2 STANDS TO SPLIT EM.. IM JUST GOING WITH WHATEVER MY ADJUSTABLE T WILL LET ME DO ..

look for the jellyfish flying high

see you in 5 weeks!!!

Divided · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:37:52 PM »

How long are you cables?

blu666z · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:38:16 PM »

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=18347.0

Divided · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:39:01 PM »

Definitely use two stands if you can. The wider apart they are from each other, the wider stereo image you'll get.

blu666z · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:39:36 PM »

Too wide and you can have a hole though.

-Kevin

Brian · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2004, 12:45:31 PM »

now a lot of tapers have split omnis in the past as far as 15',20', hell....even 30'. however you must take into account of all the phase issues you are going to have the wider they are apart. especially with giant outdoor PA stacks and being that far away. with this in mind i would never split them more than 6' unless i had no other choice due to how the section is set up.

now i think the closer you get to the sound source, ie. waaayyy FOB you might be able to get away with a wider spread depending upon where you are at and how far the PA stacks are apart from each other.

Cactus · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2004, 01:31:47 PM »

ive got 15' cable... so if were talking only 8- 10 inches possibly 12 .. are omni's a silly idea or..?/ i know alot is trial an error .. iv had alot of luck with cards running xy.. omni's xy..?? just cruious .. peace now

Brian · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2004, 01:42:46 PM »

15' of cable is enough to get a decent spread of around 2 or 3 feet. then again it depends upon how high the stands are being run. if you got the hypers i'd go for hypers DIN or PAS. hypers are the money cap for teh oktavas IMHO.

not sure about omni's xy. i would never try it but i can't come up with the words on why i wouldn't. i think i wouldn't because the point of xy why is to really focus on the sound sorce or to naturally roll off bass or both. i think using omnis with this pattern wouldn't accomplish those two things. just thought..... any other thoughts from peeps on why xy omnis would not be ideal?

edit: for spelling

Cactus · « **Reply #30 on:** July 07, 2004, 03:32:46 PM »

hey now , yea ive got the hyper caps as well .. just picked up the omni's for shi*s really .. ill have to give them a shot this weekend at all g ood

never tried em outdoors , just bar type venues

peace now
michael

creekfreak · « **Reply #31 on:** July 07, 2004, 03:35:04 PM »

I have run omni's split at 3 feet, then down to 8 inches, both recordings sound great with the 3ft split having more "space"

BobW · « **Reply #32 on:** July 11, 2004, 11:14:44 AM »

Quote from: Fatah Ruark on July 06, 2004, 11:14:06 AM

Quote from: piper2614 on July 06, 2004, 08:58:53 AM
..hey now , these are in my current rig and was wondering if these things would be a complete waste of time at coventry ?/ havnt heard many of these mics from the section and dont know how the fair at a distance.. omni's were a thought but im sure patching will be an option.. just curious

Good question. I'm getting the omni caps for taping outsite. I figure I'll give it a shot. Either way I probably won't seed my source. I just want to tape because it's my last time that I can tape Phish.

MIKE B

seed it if only for comparison's sake.
there'll be all sorts of stuff to compare from coventry, big fun !
-bob

hoobash · « **Reply #33 on:** July 11, 2004, 11:25:52 AM »

Run them about 6 feet apart. If you dont have enough cable get another. You will only need 1 more. I wouldnt mind hooking up with some folks and clamping or bring a stand. I would run my TL's split in the section. Teaming up is the way to go. We should try and get it done early so we can be up front in the section

Brian · « **Reply #34 on:** July 11, 2004, 02:43:21 PM »

Quote from: hoobash on July 11, 2004, 11:25:52 AM

Run them about 6 feet apart. If you dont have enough cable get another. You will only need 1 more. I wouldnt mind hooking up with some folks and clamping or bring a stand. I would run my TL's split in the section. Teaming up is the way to go. We should try and get it done early so we can be up front in the section

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=22004.0

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