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Offline Josephine

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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2005, 10:48:08 PM »
You guys are wonderful.  Thanks for all the help and for cheering me up a bit. :)
I just went through this thread to make sure I gave everyone a much deserved +t.  And I'm going to do it again in 12.

I just pulled out my Dr. John tape I recorded Friday night in fear it might indicate I recorded in 32 as well, thankfully that's not the case.
This botched U2 tape of mine means one thing -- I'll be at one of the two U2 shows come November when they pass back through Los Angeles. 
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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2005, 10:48:23 PM »
Quote from: muddguts on April 11, 2005, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: corkscrew on April 11, 2005, 10:30:19 PM
If its any consolation to the EZT folks - this at least proves that the recording was not LOSSY!!!

I don't know a whole lot about frequencies but is that for sure? that this is not techincally a lossy recording?
That's the biggest issue right now, that we were told it's lossy hence the reason for it being banned.
I'd like to be positive about it and perhaps let them know this but I want to be sure.

thanks for all your help folks.

2 channel 32KHz Sample Rate, 12-bit non-linear encoding, 240 min max
Frequency Response 2-14.5KHz (+-0.5dB)
        SN = 92 dB   DR = 92 dB

Not lossy - just old - this is the original Sony Spec that I think the old Sony F-1 units used...

The frequency response is not as broad as one would like...but it still sounds very nice.

The concept of lossy has to do with file compression...there is no lossy compression in play here...
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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2005, 10:52:26 PM »
Quote from: corkscrew on April 11, 2005, 10:30:19 PM
Note - this doesnt rule out some monkeying around by your CD-RW...IMO - obviously it changed the sample rate to 44.1 in some fashion...

it actually does. freq. response in LP 32khz is limited.

not to sound like a smartass, but as soon as i saw the freq. and spectral analysis i had a strong hunch that it was the sampling frequency.  (in the past, i've recorded at LP 32khz on purpose and looked at the wave).

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« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2005, 10:57:31 PM »
Quote from: leegeddy on April 11, 2005, 10:52:26 PM
Quote from: corkscrew on April 11, 2005, 10:30:19 PM
Note - this doesnt rule out some monkeying around by your CD-RW...IMO - obviously it changed the sample rate to 44.1 in some fashion...

it actually does. freq. response in LP 32khz is limited.

not to sound like a smartass, but as soon as i saw the freq. and spectral analysis i had a strong hunch that it was the sampling frequency.  (in the past, i've recorded at LP 32khz on purpose and looked at the wave).

marc


Good call - looking back at the thread - Josphine said - "checked the switch" - not as good as putting the tape in...

But still - I see the CD-RW stage as a flaw - perhaps not tragic ( and to agree with leegeedy - not the cause of the limited freq resp...) - but if you can avoid it - I would bet that resampling on a computer would do a higher quality job versus the standalone on the fly resampling...
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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2005, 11:05:58 PM »
I too have had the SBM1 switch to 32k while stealthing. It's happened to a lot more people than you think. Get a piece of gaffers tape and tape the switch to 44.1 or 48. (whichever you prefer-I go with 48)

As for digital transfers to a standalone, this is still what I do. I think my eight year old Pioneer(HHB) does a decent job resampling on the fly.

+T for your efforts.


+T Moke (I was gonna mention that I thought you used a standalone as well)
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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2005, 11:16:11 PM »
Quote from: m0k3 on April 11, 2005, 11:03:39 PM
Not knowing what unit Josephine transfered with,....
The Tascam 700 does a fine job of reampling 48k > 44.1, and has a digital direct mode for 44.1 masters. I think it sounds great.

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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2005, 11:17:52 PM »
I think I've let my experieces with the old Marantz 610 CD recorder color my opinion a bit...

I can remember cloning "Salsbury Hill" when we were testing the unit...

As soon as the acoustic guitar started - frowns all around. There was huge difference that ANYONE could have heard.

(I worked for a high end dealer - so Im sure we tried a few different transports, DIPs etc...)

I also remember taking the thing to a guys studio to clone some demo tracks he had on a DAT - You could hear the difference. I could tell he was disappointed. As was I.

Im sure things have improved...

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« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2005, 11:52:10 PM »
Quote from: L Ron Hoover on April 11, 2005, 11:05:58 PM
I too have had the SBM1 switch to 32k while stealthing. It's happened to a lot more people than you think. Get a piece of gaffers tape and tape the switch to 44.1 or 48. (whichever you prefer-I go with 48)

it happened to me just once and after that I taped the switch down.
those flat switches on Sony stuff can get moved pretty easily.

on Friday I stealthed a metal show and was standing just outside the mosh pit with gear in a fanny pack.
during all the jostling and pushing, the gain on the SBM-1 got cranked all the way up for the last part of Mastodon's set.
there's always something but live and learn.
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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2005, 12:11:39 AM »
Did 2 shows a few weeks back w/ the SBM1 @ 32k (after 50-75 shows w/o moving the switch) didn't notice till the band was walking onstage for the third show in three days.  +t for your troubles. 
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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2005, 08:09:40 AM »
Yup... I've done the same w/ the SBM-1.  Also, I think someone had just posted how they hit the switch on their dat during the show...  I've also missed significant portions of the beginnig of a set trying to figure out why no levels were registering, only to notice that the SBM-1 was turned to "mic-in" and not "line-in" -


To me, stuff like this is the most frustrating thing about taping - purchase expensive tickets, think about the sick tape your going to pull for x number of weeks, and then f it up... its a total bummer.  +t Josephine... sux...
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Tickets are dead to me.  Except the ones I have, don't have, and lost.  Not to mention the ones you have, don't have, and lost.   And the ones that other dude has, doesn't have, and lost.  Let me know if you need some tickets, I'm happy to oblige. 

Tickets >>>>>>>> Oxygen

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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2005, 08:25:05 AM »
this is why i took the switches off of the sbm1 (sample rate + mic-in/line-in). the switch pops off, and then you can always set with a toothick, but i leave mine at 48 kHz and line-in...

saves the headache...

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« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2005, 02:34:58 PM »
torrent UNBANNED!
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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2005, 02:55:20 PM »
DIME BAN LIFTED!

The taper sent the following informations to an user, who forwarded them to us :
The show is not lossy.  After much investigation last night, I discovered
that it was inadvertantly recorded at 32KHz.  Apparently the swith on the
D100 was changed, most likely while the unit was being jostled inside my
purse.

2 channel 32KHz Sample Rate, 12-bit non-linear encoding, 240 min max
Frequency Response 2-14.5KHz (+-0.5dB)
       SN = 92 dB   DR = 92 dB

Not lossy - just old.  I was told this is the original Sony Spec that the
old Sony F-1 units used...

32KHz Sample Rate w/ 12-bit encoding is not much better than a good mp3 encoding and can't be considered as "lossless", in the usual sense of this term. But, as long as this is the best recording from this show, and given that the lineage is now complete, this show can run.

 ::)

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« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2005, 03:02:12 PM »
I know, I know... ???
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« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2005, 03:52:18 PM »
I come home on my lunch hour to find out the wonderful news.
Thanks so much for all your help and thanks to those of you who posted over at Dimeadozen.
It was your words, your assistance that got the torrent back up and running.

Corkscrew ~ thanks for your detailed description of 32KHz (which I boorrowed  ;) ) . . . . I guess that's what they needed to hear.

Last night I sent a response to one of the users over there who wrote me wanting to know what was "wrong" with the show.  Apparently he forwarded my explanation to the moderators.

You guys rock !!!  :-*
Another round of +t's for my buddies here at TS. :)
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